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Old 27-05-2012, 17:55
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I already donate to The Brooke so don't feel I have to let LJ think she's any good as a fundraiser! Incidentally, I know they're not people, but these poor horses and donkeys really could do with some help.
Good for you for donating but - "..I know they're not people.." - huh? I wish people wouldn't add 'qualifiers' like these, it reinforces the idea that animals are lesser than humans and they're certainly not in terms of suffering.

On a lighter note - I'm not sure LJ's eyebrows are actually tattooed, what beauty professional would tattoo such a godawful SHAPE of eyebrow onto someone?!
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Old 27-05-2012, 18:05
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On a lighter note - I'm not sure LJ's eyebrows are actually tattooed, what beauty professional would tattoo such a godawful SHAPE of eyebrow onto someone?!
One who'd read some of her witterings?
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Old 27-05-2012, 18:44
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Letters page in today's MOS reader has reported her to the police for hate crime reference last week's article bashing men. Really though she hates everyone who isn't Liz Jones a legend in her own lunch time. Just Giving up to the princely sum of £206 probably donating herself or getting people she pays to do it and still a joke.
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Old 27-05-2012, 20:04
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Two more thoughts on reading this thread:

1) The Phil & Holly 'spermgate' interview with LJ - I watched that and thought P&H and their posturing were ridiculous. No objectivity at all, thought that was a requirement of good interviewing? They just spewed hate faces and bad vibes at LJ who was just being (madly?) honest about what lots and lots and lots of women do - well maybe not quite in the way LJ did it but just as deceitfully - lying about contraception etc. I hasten to add that I have never and would never do that myself, seems wrong to me! Seems wrong to me, but I'm not a professional tv interviewer.... Incidentally, I find it quite weird the way Holly nearly always has her tots on show. Breastfeeding or whatever, fine, but otherwise, put them away! (I know, I know, it's normal these days.)

2) Re. the bag on the floor thing, I'm fairly certain that LJ has an actual obsessive compulsive disorder, with a large 'cleanliness' component. It's a mental illness and a horrible way to be, life really must be a kind of hell for her.
The blurting out every private detail that anyone tells her - maybe that's one of the compulsive facets? Feels to me that she just impulsively/compulsively spews things out every week and gets into all kinds of trouble about it but just can't stop herself from doing it again!

ps. The train seat thing was well weird, well nutty, well downright rude.
And who the hell is this 'rockstar'? How come she says all these people know about him and her but yet it's never leaked into the media?? Looking forward to an outing.
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Old 28-05-2012, 00:54
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216 now, two / three days in. 19 donors. Did she seriously expect people to donate 25 grand?? Is she that delusional? Am I mistaken in thinking that she hasn't gotten so much as 1 percent of her lowest goal? I'm not mathematically inclined.

If the fund doesn't take off (and it's not looking like it), will she drop it as though she never mentioned it? Or will she see her readers' resistance as evidence of one more betrayal and get furious with the collective readership of the Daily Mail? That would be interesting.
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Old 28-05-2012, 03:44
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You know, it occurs to me that for the rest of her life, to her dying day, Liz Jones is going to be known to be "that silly journalist who pretended she had a famous rock star for a boyfriend in the Daily Mail. Yes, even though she was in her mid-fifties and not exactly anybody's idea of wildly attractive!"

For the rest of her entire life. What a fool she is, and it's all self-induced.
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Old 28-05-2012, 09:00
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I havent posted on here for ages but often read this thread. I am just at a loss as to how she manages to hold down a job as a journalist with all the drivel, fantasy, and depressive hatred that spews forth from her mouth every week. She is off her trolly completely. How would anyone and I mean anyone want to be in a relationship with someone so high maintenance and that treats them the way that she supposedly treated the FRS. A cheat sheet for cats? What?????? I do not know any man or anyone come to that, that would go to such lengths but maybe I am mixing in the wrong social circle.
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Old 28-05-2012, 09:24
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I A cheat sheet for cats? What?????? I do not know any man or anyone come to that, that would go to such lengths but maybe I am mixing in the wrong social circle.
For me, it's details like this that give her away the most strongly. The RS is so unrealistically focused on every minute detail of her life, it makes him sound like a fantasy boyfriend created from a teenage girl's idealistic dreams.

Another clue is the way the FRS constantly refers to her past relationships as if he was there. In the earlier, "happy" phase of this fantasy romance, he did this in a positive way (you deserve so much better than him, I won't treat you like he did, blah blah blah). Now it's all gone pear-shaped, it's "I don't know how he put up with you." But the fact is, a real partner wouldn't be harking back to these previous-relationship reference points at all. It wouldn't be in his mind. Most of us don't conduct our relationships in this way, constantly making assessments about the previous relationship of the person we're with.

Note how she's left herself a bit of wriggle room to keep it going with her little "cliffhanger", though. I'm willing to bet the "shagger" revelation will turn out to be all a big misunderstanding (albeit a nifty way of abandoning the Australia trip when she's dug herself into a hole) and we'll have many more weeks of "Darling girl," and general Mills & Boon stuff. She sure as hell ain't going to give up the RS storyline without milking it to the end!

Oh, and if she finds betrayal so shocking, how can she justify the swiftly-abandoned SAMM shag palace plans, then?
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Old 28-05-2012, 11:45
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216 now, two / three days in. 19 donors. Did she seriously expect people to donate 25 grand?? Is she that delusional? Am I mistaken in thinking that she hasn't gotten so much as 1 percent of her lowest goal? I'm not mathematically inclined.

If the fund doesn't take off (and it's not looking like it), will she drop it as though she never mentioned it? Or will she see her readers' resistance as evidence of one more betrayal and get furious with the collective readership of the Daily Mail? That would be interesting.
Maybe she thought that if the fake Liz Jone twitter account raised c.£25,000, the real Liz Jones could raise at least that much...
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Old 28-05-2012, 14:59
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Maybe she thought that if the fake Liz Jone twitter account raised c.£25,000, the real Liz Jones could raise at least that much...
It's standing at £321 with 23 donations now.
Five of those donations are anonymous - who could that be?
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Old 28-05-2012, 15:09
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Letters page in today's MOS reader has reported her to the police for hate crime reference last week's article bashing men. Really though she hates everyone who isn't Liz Jones a legend in her own lunch time.....
Interesting. I'm surprised this hasn't happened before!
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Old 28-05-2012, 15:17
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For me, it's details like this that give her away the most strongly. The RS is so unrealistically focused on every minute detail of her life, it makes him sound like a fantasy boyfriend created from a teenage girl's idealistic dreams.

Note how she's left herself a bit of wriggle room to keep it going with her little "cliffhanger", though. I'm willing to bet the "shagger" revelation will turn out to be all a big misunderstanding (albeit a nifty way of abandoning the Australia trip when she's dug herself into a hole) and we'll have many more weeks of "Darling girl," and general Mills & Boon stuff. She sure as hell ain't going to give up the RS storyline without milking it to the end!

Oh, and if she finds betrayal so shocking, how can she justify the swiftly-abandoned SAMM shag palace plans, then?
I have said this so many times, but once again - WHY has she been allowed to continue writing this as a 'diary' when it has clearly been mostly fictitious for about the last 18 months?

I realise it's all about hits to the website & advertising revenue, but surely the MOS should issue a disclaimer, stating that it's not true? After all, Liz Jones is (or was) known as a confessional journalist - but now it's fiction, ffs.The reason Liz Jones Diary was popular in its heyday was because it was based on the truth. Nirpal was real, the marriage appeared to be a disaster - and even I have to admit that she had a lot of readers at this time. It was addictive.
It's crystal clear that, after her divorce, Jones realised which side her bread was buttered on and decided to invent a relationship. The RS was initially heavily based on Jim Kerr. But no-one is interested anymore - she doesn't name these 'boyfriends', it's just a circle of recycled, contradictory badly written fiction.

At the time the RS story was at its height, when people were wondering who it might be, I have very good reason to believe Jones was posting on Mumsnet as a forum member, (using an alias) for the sole purpose of promoting the story and keeping it going.

High time the MOS gave the column to a proper journalist.
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Old 28-05-2012, 16:27
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I have said this so many times, but once again - WHY has she been allowed to continue writing this as a 'diary' when it has clearly been mostly fictitious for about the last 18 months?

I realise it's all about hits to the website & advertising revenue, but surely the MOS should issue a disclaimer, stating that it's not true? After all, Liz Jones is (or was) known as a confessional journalist - but now it's fiction, ffs.The reason Liz Jones Diary was popular in its heyday was because it was based on the truth. Nirpal was real, the marriage appeared to be a disaster - and even I have to admit that she had a lot of readers at this time. It was addictive.It's crystal clear that, after her divorce, Jones realised which side her bread was buttered on and decided to invent a relationship. The RS was initially heavily based on Jim Kerr. But no-one is interested anymore - she doesn't name these 'boyfriends', it's just a circle of recycled, contradictory badly written fiction.

At the time the RS story was at its height, when people were wondering who it might be, I have very good reason to believe Jones was posting on Mumsnet as a forum member, (using an alias) for the sole purpose of promoting the story and keeping it going.

High time the MOS gave the column to a proper journalist.
I think it was also possible to feel some sympathy for her back then - I could certainly empathise with her longing for a baby - even though I already had two I would have loved a third so how much more awful to want a baby and have none? Her plans for motherhood being thwarted by time and (alledgedly)Nirps had enourmous pathos even if it had seemed rather like she was steam rollering him a bit.

Splitting with Nirps was the beginning of the end I think. The 'juicy' material dried up, as did anything genuinely engaging. As did, eventually, anything genuine at all. And she replaced her desire for a baby with a vicious vitriol towards anyone with children especially, but to anyone happy and to the world in general.

As her bitterness increases, her popularity diminishes. She tries and fails the sympathy card, she tried the 'I'm really interesting with a Rock Star Boyfriend' but instead of improving her popularity, it worsens. So she becomes a parody of herself - with highly offensive - but highly read - articles like the Somalia piece, silly dress up pieces and bitter, twisted moans.

So now it seems she is satisfied to have the clicks, and miss out on respect, approval and popularity. As shown by her appeal. I bet that article had a fair few clicks for the OMG factor, but few read those fluff pieces and tose that do, well. 23 of them donated a tenner or so.

My concern is she will turn our failure to donate into another article - compairing herself to Claire Squires (The young lady who died during the London Marathon raising almost £1M). I'd like to say even she wouldn't sink so low.......but I can't.
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Old 28-05-2012, 18:59
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It's standing at £321 with 23 donations now.
Five of those donations are anonymous - who could that be?
Agreed and what's the betting that most of the other's are pals or people she employs? One of them was £50.
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Old 29-05-2012, 05:58
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I wonder how she feels about Samantha Brick? SB skipped right past the kind of early popularity Liz once had and was loathed by thousands for her first column. Now SB is clearly taking dictation from the Mail in an attempt to keep the outrage going. Sounds like Pascal's business hasn't been good, so selling her soul to the Mail in return for money is a nice little winner, for as long as it lasts.

Unlike SB, Liz hasn't caused an internet frenzy of cosmic amounts of contempt. But I think that otherwise, Liz and SB are in about the same situation. SB has made a complete fool of herself (and must be pretty desperate for money, because she seems to be "writing" things that the Mail more or less dictates. That makes them more coherent than Liz's word salad.)

Does Liz realize that SB has made herself a laughingstock? And does she see the parallel--both are women who insist that their view of the world and their own significance is huge, both imagine other people wish they were as wonderful as they are, both have readers who think they're entirely out of touch with reality. SB can't go on much longer repeating the same blather. I wonder if Liz is looking at Samatha Brick and recognizing that she's dug a hole she can't get out of and will look like a fool for the rest of her life . . . as Liz will. That isn't "success"; that's pimping your life.
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Old 29-05-2012, 16:21
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I wonder how she feels about Samantha Brick? SB skipped right past the kind of early popularity Liz once had and was loathed by thousands for her first column. Now SB is clearly taking dictation from the Mail in an attempt to keep the outrage going. Sounds like Pascal's business hasn't been good, so selling her soul to the Mail in return for money is a nice little winner, for as long as it lasts.

Unlike SB, Liz hasn't caused an internet frenzy of cosmic amounts of contempt. But I think that otherwise, Liz and SB are in about the same situation. SB has made a complete fool of herself (and must be pretty desperate for money, because she seems to be "writing" things that the Mail more or less dictates. That makes them more coherent than Liz's word salad.)
Does Liz realize that SB has made herself a laughingstock? And does she see the parallel--both are women who insist that their view of the world and their own significance is huge, both imagine other people wish they were as wonderful as they are, both have readers who think they're entirely out of touch with reality. SB can't go on much longer repeating the same blather. I wonder if Liz is looking at Samatha Brick and recognizing that she's dug a hole she can't get out of and will look like a fool for the rest of her life . . . as Liz will. That isn't "success"; that's pimping your life.

Bib - Liz's word salad - I am so lovin' that - fab description - although it's not a salad that is easy to digest in my experience - too heavy on the 'dressing'!
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Old 30-05-2012, 03:47
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Well, her donations are over 500 pounds now. Does it seem weird that such a high proportion of them have come in this long after the article was published? It does to me.
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Old 30-05-2012, 21:04
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Good for you for donating but - "..I know they're not people.." - huh? I wish people wouldn't add 'qualifiers' like these, it reinforces the idea that animals are lesser than humans and they're certainly not in terms of suffering.

On a lighter note - I'm not sure LJ's eyebrows are actually tattooed, what beauty professional would tattoo such a godawful SHAPE of eyebrow onto someone?!
Oh I don't think they are lesser beings (like i would say anything different with the Ginger Cat from Hell sitting on my foot!). I was just a bit concerned that the charity would suffer because La Loca Jones was using them to try and generate some positive publicity for herself, and most people tend to give to 'human' charities,

And yes, her eyebrows are awful - I can do better, and I'm blind without my contacts!
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Old 31-05-2012, 00:17
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Maybe she thought that if the fake Liz Jone twitter account raised c.£25,000, the real Liz Jones could raise at least that much...
The total has crawled up to £600. It is a bit poignant that the spoof raised so much more so quickly. It's all for the best - imagine how many columns she would have tried to get out of the head shaving, including enumerating every hat and scarf she used. I guess £600 will keep a few donkeys in hay for a while and Liz will have to think of another way to fill the pages.
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Old 31-05-2012, 17:30
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She'll probably spin the situation into at least one article about how awful people are because they don't donate to animal charities, not realising that all charity donations are down due to the recession.
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Old 01-06-2012, 07:24
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Who would have thought Liz Jones would think fake tans are 'tacky'? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...et-orange.html
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Old 01-06-2012, 07:50
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Who would have thought Liz Jones would think fake tans are 'tacky'? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...et-orange.html
Although, since she can describe the process down to each minute detail, one can only assume she has tried it out herself.
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Old 01-06-2012, 08:49
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Although, since she can describe the process down to each minute detail, one can only assume she has tried it out herself.
Well, shes always banging on about having them done in various spas. And there was a whole paragraph in one article about how the therapist was being difficult about not letting her have one directly after being waxed.....
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Old 01-06-2012, 16:16
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The total has crawled up to £600. It is a bit poignant that the spoof raised so much more so quickly. It's all for the best - imagine how many columns she would have tried to get out of the head shaving, including enumerating every hat and scarf she used. I guess £600 will keep a few donkeys in hay for a while and Liz will have to think of another way to fill the pages.
Still crawling slowly - now up to £706.

TBH - I thought it would have done better. Whatever you think about Liz Jones, she attracts a lot of publicity - and I thought that would guarantee more than £706. Plus some people naturally would support the charity anyway and be happy to donate; her fans too; and her detractors might be happy to donate to see her with a shaved head.

Perhaps a shaved head would be the only logical conclusion. Liz has (at least) twice written an article on the restorative and transforming powers of a good haircut and colour (and the softening of the black colour) - and the next hair saga could have been the shaved head. Yes, how many articles would she have got out of that (plus, doubtless, off colour articles relating to cancer and chemo).

Sad that the majority of the online comments on the articles on the Mail website didn't even seem to be aware this would be for charity
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Old 01-06-2012, 16:19
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Well, shes always banging on about having them done in various spas. And there was a whole paragraph in one article about how the therapist was being difficult about not letting her have one directly after being waxed.....
And of course the slapstick farce that was the saga of her getting fake tan all over her mythical boyfriend's bathroom. So in love are these two that she never lets him see her naked, unshaved or un-faketanned. Ah, but as her devoted fan regularly writes under different names: "It doesn't matter if it's not real, we love Lizzie, she's just like Carrie, stop being howwible to her..."
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