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Liz Jones - YOU magazine (Part 3)
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DorisMorris
23-11-2011
This week Jones moans about:

* awful journos who recyle articles
* awful people who wear animal skins (fur in this particular case)

Oh, and the hell of having to wait in for delivery folks when one has forked out £1,000 for an M&S Conran chair (is there such a thing?)

^ the above is as tired as I feel
£1 a word, did she say?
ccmc
24-11-2011
Five am London time and no Liz Jones's Diary: has she ever been this late before? And I checked: "You Magazine" currently says that the Diary is "In Which I Reject the Cozy Option." Last week's title. Sure, Liz recycles her column, but recycling a title seems a bit much even in Lizland.

Has she just vanished without submitting her copy? Should I worry about Liz? Should I??
ccmc
24-11-2011
Duhhhh. Ignore previous post. Haven't even been drinking, but the fact that tomorrow is an American holiday somehow convinced me that it is also Sunday. Still, it's a brilliant idea, isn't it? She just turns in the same copy, week after week--granted how closely her columns are edited to make sure that they're clear and don't contradict previous columns in major, major ways, do you think the Mail would even notice??
gav016
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by ccmc:
“Six am and a singular absence of Liz, but I think I've figured it out. We knew she recycled aspect of her articles; she's gone one better now, though: she's just recycled an entire article, word for word. So last week's Diary entry is appearing again this week. Brilliant! If she gets paid a pound a word for that she's a much, much brighter girl than I ever gave her credit for!”

This seems particularly apt after her rant about lazy journalists the other day, especially those who recycle articles.

Liz is just too funny sometimes.
Seabird
24-11-2011
Does the Mail not realise how offensive it is that amongst their features on how people are struggling to just pay bills and put food on the table we are expected to empathise with Liz 'broke' Jones about the inconvenience of taking delivery of a £1000 chair? Re. Jim Kerr, can there really be two rock stars living identical parallel lives with the same accent, same hotel in the same location, with the same amount of ex wives, pregnant daughters and er, same piggy eyes? We knew it wasn't him, because it's all a pack of lies but who is she going to base him on now?
Paula Panzer
24-11-2011
"The thing I most despise (after all the Christmas TV ads — the new one for meaty gravy has a cow doing a dance; a taxi driver dropping me at Selfridges who called me ‘a horrible woman’ for asking him to fill out a receipt; and the people in petrol stations who now ask as you buy fuel: ‘Would you like a coffee or tea to go with that?’) is being treated like a Fifties housewife."

Perhaps he called her a horrible woman because he knows who she is.

And obviously Liz is unaware of the laws about driving too long without a break and thinks they were created merely to inconvenience her.
DeliriumTremens
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by Paula Panzer:
“"The thing I most despise (after all the Christmas TV ads — the new one for meaty gravy has a cow doing a dance; a taxi driver dropping me at Selfridges who called me ‘a horrible woman’ for asking him to fill out a receipt; and the people in petrol stations who now ask as you buy fuel: ‘Would you like a coffee or tea to go with that?’) is being treated like a Fifties housewife."

Perhaps he called her a horrible woman because he knows who she is.

And obviously Liz is unaware of the laws about driving too long without a break and thinks they were created merely to inconvenience her.”

I have often had to ask a taxi driver for a receipt and they have always been very obliging (even including the tip) and have never called me 'horrible'. In fact, they 've opened doors for me and helped with my luggage. I can only imagine that she upset the driver in some way, hard though that is to believe of LJ.
wonkeydonkey
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by birdienumnum1:
“"… but there is a good twist coming up."

Does anyone's real life have "good twists" in it?
She's virtually confessing it's fiction there.”

True. What a weird way to talk about a supposedly 'true' column.
Originally Posted by DeliriumTremens:
“I have often had to ask a taxi driver for a receipt and they have always been very obliging (even including the tip) and have never called me 'horrible'. In fact, they 've opened doors for me and helped with my luggage. I can only imagine that she upset the driver in some way, hard though that is to believe of LJ.”

People in Liz Jones's life always react in extremely bizarre ways. Taxi drivers are asked for receipts every day. "Could I have a receipt for that please?" "What a horrible woman you are!" just doesn't cut it as realistic dialogue.
Seabird
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“People in Liz Jones's life always react in extremely bizarre ways. Taxi drivers are asked for receipts every day. "Could I have a receipt for that please?" "What a horrible woman you are!" just doesn't cut it as realistic dialogue.”

Ah but taxi drivers exist just to give Liz her usual 'convenient quote'. I was dissapointed that another cab driver didn't immediately pull up with a chivalrous salute and a cheeky wink to reassure her readership that 'Not all of us cabbies are wrong 'uns Miss Lizzie, good luck with your lovely cows and their lovely milk - I know all us good cabbies will be drinking nothing else, gawd bless ya!".
wonkeydonkey
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by Seabird:
“Ah but taxi drivers exist just to give Liz her usual 'convenient quote'. I was dissapointed that another cab driver didn't immediately pull up with a chivalrous salute and a cheeky wink to reassure her readership that 'Not all of us cabbies are wrong 'uns Miss Lizzie, good luck with your lovely cows and their lovely milk - I know all us good cabbies will be drinking nothing else, gawd bless ya!". ”

Lol.

How can one invest in this business though? A 'life long care' dairy herd that starts off with 11 bullocks is truly inspirational. And I can't wait to see her chicken farm with all those (if you'll excuse the expression) cocks. I wonder if they will each have a separate, spacious enclosure to stop them impregnating any of the hens?
newbaby
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by Seabird:
“Ah but taxi drivers exist just to give Liz her usual 'convenient quote'. I was dissapointed that another cab driver didn't immediately pull up with a chivalrous salute and a cheeky wink to reassure her readership that 'Not all of us cabbies are wrong 'uns Miss Lizzie, good luck with your lovely cows and their lovely milk - I know all us good cabbies will be drinking nothing else, gawd bless ya!". ”

Don't know why, but I have a vision (am losing the plot: is it infectious?) of Dick Van Dyke saying those lines in his chim-chiminy, chim-chiminy chim chim cheree Mary Poppins accent. I know, he wasn't a cab driver but...

Thank you, Seabird!
Last edited by newbaby : 24-11-2011 at 14:50
angelafisher
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by ccmc:
“Duhhhh. Ignore previous post. Haven't even been drinking, but the fact that tomorrow is an American holiday somehow convinced me that it is also Sunday. Still, it's a brilliant idea, isn't it? She just turns in the same copy, week after week--granted how closely her columns are edited to make sure that they're clear and don't contradict previous columns in major, major ways, do you think the Mail would even notice??”

Hope you enjoy Thanksgiving! Eat some turkey for me!
Seabird
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by newbaby:
“Don't know why, but I have a vision (am losing the plot: is it infectious?) of Dick Van Dyke saying those lines in his chim-chiminy, chim-chiminy chim chim cheree Mary Poppins accent. I know, he wasn't a cab driver but...

Thank you, Seabird!”

Yes, we've touched on the Dick Van Dyke style cabbies Liz seems to encounter before, never actually met one myself (and I come from a family of cab drivers) but apparantly good old London town is full of 'em in Liz Land. But now they are turning bad
newbaby
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by angelafisher:
“Hope you enjoy Thanksgiving! Eat some turkey for me!”

Please give the whole menu (I know, wildly off topic, but at least I'm interested in food)

Originally Posted by Seabird:
“Yes, we've touched on the Dick Van Dyke style cabbies Liz seems to encounter before, never actually met one myself (and I come from a family of cab drivers) but apparantly good old London town is full of 'em in Liz Land. But now they are turning bad”

Silly me not to have clocked the Dick Van Dyke bit that had been said before. (I rarely go to London now, but years ago I had a strangely wonderful moment at Euston station: I was dropped off by the person I'd lived with for quite a while, and suddenly he said he couldn't see a future together - just as we got to the station - and it's "finito"..cue crying (sobbing, actually) as I was borne upwards on the escalator. Cabbies seeing this limp creature sang "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" and then one lovely cabby bolted up the escalator to say sorry, it was a bit horrid and was I okay.AND escorted me to the platform and shoved me onto the train. LJ would feel it deeply odd that a stranger could be so kind).
vampyre
24-11-2011
At the risk of sounding like the worst case of Pollyanna ever, I sincerely believe that Kindness is its own reward. So I agree with you newbaby.
I imagine that since Lizard's life is fiction she might well think everyone else is lying too so when people relate little incident (assuming she's paying any attention to someone not talking about her) she thinks they're fake.
ccmc
24-11-2011
The whole menu. Well, I think my husband will probably have some meat and pasta dish from the local Italian restaurant. I will probably have angel hair pasta with fresh tomato and cheese from ditto, or perhaps a pasta and salmon and prawns dish. I may have some dessert as well. Excepting for me and mr ccmc, the whole massive family has dispersed, and the neighbors who have come to dinner before are visiting some relatives in Northern California. (Was it my ghastly cooking, do you think?) I don't feel great about getting take-out since in a perfect world all of those restaurant employees would be home giving thanks that the ccmcs are letting them have a day off, but to be honest I HATE Thanksgiving, having provided it for various formations of the family for some 30 years with remarkably little help. (YOU trying telling the men in my family that it's not a holiday in which they can sit, drink scotch, and watch football on TV. And the family is mostly male.)

Love the family, hate the cooking and hate trying to get everything done just when the turkey is ready to serve, turkeys being unpredictable birds. Cooking a turkey, as you doubtlessly know, is like going through pregnancy: you try to do the right thing, take care of the little bun, er, turkey in the oven, give it regular check-ups (involving a turkey baster used for its NORMAL purposes), but you don't know if it's going to be done early or much, much later than you have any cause to expect. But when you're pregnant you don't have twenty family members sitting in the next room eating nibbles, drinking--drinking too much, in the case of at least one relative--and shouting "When's it going to be done?" as you try to get on with things.

As we go wild eating Italian food it will most likely be raining and most likely be cold enough to convince us that a fire in the fireplace really is okay, even in LA. Lovely. I look forward to it. I may even break out the silver instead of the plastic cutlery that comes with the take-out.
newbaby
24-11-2011
Originally Posted by ccmc:
“The whole menu. Well, I think my husband will probably have some meat and pasta dish from the local Italian restaurant. I will probably have angel hair pasta with fresh tomato and cheese from ditto, or perhaps a pasta and salmon and prawns dish. I may have some dessert as well. Excepting for me and mr ccmc, the whole massive family has dispersed, and the neighbors who have come to dinner before are visiting some relatives in Northern California. (Was it my ghastly cooking, do you think?) I don't feel great about getting take-out since in a perfect world all of those restaurant employees would be home giving thanks that the ccmcs are letting them have a day off, but to be honest I HATE Thanksgiving, having provided it for various formations of the family for some 30 years with remarkably little help. (YOU trying telling the men in my family that it's not a holiday in which they can sit, drink scotch, and watch football on TV. And the family is mostly male.)

Love the family, hate the cooking and hate trying to get everything done just when the turkey is ready to serve, turkeys being unpredictable birds. Cooking a turkey, as you doubtlessly know, is like going through pregnancy: you try to do the right thing, take care of the little bun, er, turkey in the oven, give it regular check-ups (involving a turkey baster used for its NORMAL purposes), but you don't know if it's going to be done early or much, much later than you have any cause to expect. But when you're pregnant you don't have twenty family members sitting in the next room eating nibbles, drinking--drinking too much, in the case of at least one relative--and shouting "When's it going to be done?" as you try to get on with things.

As we go wild eating Italian food it will most likely be raining and most likely be cold enough to convince us that a fire in the fireplace really is okay, even in LA. Lovely. I look forward to it. I may even break out the silver instead of the plastic cutlery that comes with the take-out.”

Look on the bright side: you could be spending Thanksgiving with some strange woman who eats nothing and pours decanted vitriol on everything.
Paula Panzer
24-11-2011
Happy Thanksgiving ccmc. I have a question (posed to me by one of my students, who is this year learning American rather than English in school - I give him extra English tuition): do you eat turkey and all the trimmings for Christmas, as we do in England since we don't have Thanksgiving? Trimmings being Christmas pud, mince pies etc.

Sorry to go off topic, all. I realise that Liz would frown on talk of eating turkey, but then a vegan should frown on eating eggs and drinking milk, so I feel slightly vindicated.
dingdongwitch
26-11-2011
Good heavens above, we slipped to page 2 then.
newbaby
26-11-2011
Originally Posted by dingdongwitch:
“Good heavens above, we slipped to page 2 then.”

Yes...but tomorrow is another day.
coolxwaters
26-11-2011
Maybe we won't have to wait till tomorrow, since the diary should go on line shortly after 8pm tonight. Wonder what new insights await us. Lol!
ccmc
26-11-2011
Happy to oblige. At Christmas Americans do eat turkey, generally; that's the classic meat dish for the day. It's accompanied by cranberry relish, usually out of a can, but cooks who are ambitious make their own; the National Public Radio website has one that's pretty popular with liberals. I think cranberries are vile, no matter how much sugar you use, so I don't mess with them.

We also eat "stuffing", and I think that the sites for epicurious, Gourmet magazine, and Martha Stewart Living can probably give various upscale recipes for both of those. When I used to serve turkey I just opened a can of relish and bought a couple of boxes of Mrs. Cubbison's Stuffing Mix. I am a downscale, unambitious cook who feels that a major gourmet meal involving various fancy courses on a day after I've been working flat out is a bit much to expect.

I had a big family in state at one point, and I also served ham. Ham isn't all that unusual at Christmas; it is traditionally made (or used to be) with a sauce involving Coca-Cola and decorated with slices of canned pineapple fastened to it with cloves. Isn't that hysterical? I just checked, and Nigella Lawson's website has a recipe, though I don't think she goes whole hog on the pineapple slices (har har). I have begun to question her sanity. I just go to the Honeybaked Ham store.

Many Americans traditionally have a couple of hot vegetable dishes; in my youth one always was canned green beans topped with a can of undiluted Campbell's mushroom soup, reheated. (It is truly unthinkably awful. Some lucky people get green beans, slivered almonds, and baby onions.) The other was some version of yams, heavily sweetened; the classic is a sort of cooked, mashed yam dish topped by marshmallows, put under a broiler so the marshmallows start to melt and get a little brown. I admit to loving this, but in the years before microwaves all of this meant that a cooked turkey would sit around for a while--nothing wrong with that--while these dishes heated up.

Some form of roll is standard; the classic of my youth for most people was reheated store-bought Parker House rolls, and if your student looks up an image of that he or she will be able to see why the most childish among us make jokes about buttocks in their honor. I bake yeast rolls for such occasions, but I think that many home cooks don't learn that at their mamas' knees. I learned that, as did my brother. I also learned how to wield a can opener.

In pre-microwave years all that was happening in the oven while you were making gravy on the stovetop. My father made "Red-eye gravy; he was from the South, where it's standard. Gravy comes in cans too.

There's usually a green salad which no one eats, at least in my family.

My mother, half-Welsh, always served mince pies with a lattice top as well as pumpkin pie, but pumpkin pie is the standard dessert for most people, I think. A mince pie here is made in a full-sized pie dish, rather than those cute little individual pies made in the UK. Pumpkin pie doesn't have a pastry top. My family likes apple pie and pumpkin pie, so that's what they get. I took a mince pie to a friend's Thanksgiving dinner a couple of years ago and noticed that I was the only one to eat it, despite the fact that the crust was, for once, amazing. Wimps. Apple and pumpkin pie often come out of the frozen section of the market and are popped into the oven the day before Christmas. Pumpkin pie is usually served with whipped cream or a substitute called "Cool Whip." Whipped cream can come in a can with a nozzle, and every kid in America has wanted to shoot whipped cream at the whole family and not been allowed to.

I don't think Americans taste buds are attuned to Christmas pudding and mince pie, so they don't appear, generally. My mother grew up in an area where a lot of Welsh settled, and claimed that in the years before fruit trees grew people (brace yourself) made "carrot pudding" instead. This involves grated carrots in place of the ingredients that normally would come from fruit trees, and otherwise it is very much like plum pudding in texture, though it's a much lighter color. It wasn't ever lit, though; these Welsh were teetotal, and the sauce was made from rum flavoring. It wasn't very good, frankly. The trees have been up for some 150 years, but my mother's family stuck with carrot pudding.

Beforehand, while everybody's starving, people serve sliced carrots, celery, store-bought pickled gherkins--dill, sweet and "bread and butter" were favorites in my childhood--and canned black olives. If you are a juvenile delinquent you teach your brother's kids to stick olives on all of their fingers. Okay, I was a juvenile delinquent well into my twenties. My mother yelled down the table to tell my brother to make me stop, and he stuck carrot pieces in his nostrils in response. I love my brother.

The thing is, all of this--barring the almonds, celery, carrots, and the turkey, if it's tough--is food that you can eat without putting your dentures in. It's mushy, in short. This doesn't have much appeal for me.

I don't much like a number of these things, and last year it occurred to me that I could cook whatever I darn well pleased. So we had a beef roast and a pan of Yorkshire pudding. (Mother wasn't from Yorkshire, but she made that now and again, and I love it. It turns out that my family does too.) I think I served yams mashed with chopped dates, apple pie, and something called Huguenot pudding. There were no objections, and no one said "Hey, where's that green bean and mushroom soup goop that Aunt Madge used to make??" I think we'll probably have about the same this year.

I hope that helps. There's a well known Norman Rockwell painting that gives a sense of the emotions that are supposed to prevail at Thanksgiving, and often they do.

http://cf.foodista.com/content/fp/vozxmkygy7t4flyv.jpg

The table would look similar at Christmas, though the tablecloth might have red and green printed on it or embroidered on it. No Christmas crackers or silly hats, alas.
DeliriumTremens
26-11-2011
The green beans/ canned mushroom soup thing sounds truly disgusting.
You must have a strong digestive constitution to have survived combinations like that.
Mrs de Winter
26-11-2011
I just tried to click on this week's diary entry () but keep getting "Sorry the page you have requested does not exist or is no longer available".

Oh dear! I'm sure it's a just a technical hitch and nothing more exciting
tabitha2
26-11-2011
It's available now...for what it's worth. 'We seem to be getting more and more incompatible'...she's working up to dumping him before long. Then she never has to admit that it was a pretend Jim Kerr after all.
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