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Old 07-09-2011, 20:09
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I think what the poster you replied to was trying to say was that the biggest selling album just about never wins the Mercury and that is fact. Adele fans accepted a long time ago that she wasn't going to win
The Arctic Monkeys won with their debut album which must have been the biggest selling album that year so popularity doesn't stop people winning. Adele could have won if her album was good enough but PJ Harvey's album is more highly rated which is why it was the clear favourite to win.
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Old 07-09-2011, 20:11
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The Arctic Monkeys won with their debut album which must have been the biggest selling album that year so popularity doesn't stop people winning. Adele could have won if her album was good enough but PJ Harvey's album is more highly rated which is why it was the clear favourite to win.
Highly rated by who? Can you give names?
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Old 07-09-2011, 20:16
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Highly rated by who? Can you give names?
http://albumoftheyear.org/ratings/6-...t-rated/2011/1

They compile all the reviews over a year to come up with a list of the best reviewed albums. PJ Harvey is number one.
It also shows where the reviews have come from and links back to them
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Old 07-09-2011, 20:18
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Highly rated by who? Can you give names?
Music journalists and critics i.e. the type of people who decide the winner of this prize.
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Old 07-09-2011, 20:29
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Music journalists and critics i.e. the type of people who decide the winner of this prize.
I know that but who, names?
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Old 07-09-2011, 20:30
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http://albumoftheyear.org/ratings/6-...t-rated/2011/1

They compile all the reviews over a year to come up with a list of the best reviewed albums. PJ Harvey is number one.
It also shows where the reviews have come from and links back to them
OK, thanks for that.
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Old 07-09-2011, 20:47
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Yes, I was looking on mediacritic earlier and her album has an 86 rating, which is very high indeed. Good luck to her, I say. She's lasted for years in a very fickle business.
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Old 07-09-2011, 20:57
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I always think things like the Mercury prize are really only usefull in bringing good albums that haven't had much exposure to a wider audience.

From that point of view, what would the point be of Adele winning it? Pretty much everyone in the country must have a copy for each room of the house by now. From that point of view I'm happy PJ Harvey won, as Adele hardly needs the exposure. PJ Harvey had much more to gain from the win than Adele did.

I would have been even happy if someone like Anna Calvi won, 2 wins for PJ now, thats just greedy!

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Old 07-09-2011, 21:25
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I try and rise above calling anyone a music snob but your post is tempting me. Why can't you praise your favourite and be glad that she won without spewing bile about another artist at the same time? It's most ungracious and marks you out as what I stated in my opening sentence.

I get the impression from PJ fans that they actually would have preferred Adele to win so they could have had a right old moan and dig. It's really really strange. I think what the poster you replied to was trying to say was that the biggest selling album just about never wins the Mercury and that is fact. Adele fans accepted a long time ago that she wasn't going to win and I think from what I've seen on here the vast majority of those that have responded on the forums have said they are glad PJ won and good luck to her. The Mercury has a place in the awards calendar to help balance out what happens at The Brits IMO and I'm genuinely pleased for the lass.

PS Seems like PJ has much more grace than some of her fans as she actually picked out Adele to praise before the show. Maybe some of her fans could adopt a similar outlook?
Oh, sorry my mistake I thought this was Digitalspy where this thread is being carried out with some ignorant hatred towards the second most talented British female artist behind Kate Bush who has made a string of great albums since her debut Dry in the past two decades.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...and-shake.html

Oh hang on a minute this is Digitalspy, hence my comments are valid.

Likewise, so because I think 21 is a rather disappointing follow up to a very promising debut album 19, then you are automatically saying my opinion is invalid. What piousness.

But I guess going back to the late 1960s when the likes of The Zombies - Odessey & Oracle; The Kinks - We Are The Village Green Preservation Society; Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left; etc all sold minimal amount of records compared to UK#1 albums Val Doonican - Val Doonican Rocks, But Gently; Andy Williams - Love, Andy; Tom Jones - Delilah then they are not as good because the public knew better than music critics.

Just as they apparently do now with Adele being better than PJ Harvey despite critical reviews by paid music critics suggesting otherwise.

What utter rubbish.

Sorry, but I prefer to not be spoonfed what to buy by Simon Cowell TV programmes and the Radio 1 playlist, and like to make my own mind up.

Oh, and if I so disliked Adele then how come I've forked out some serious income to have gone and seen Adele in Concert at Bournemouth International Centre on Monday (which did not take place because of her ill health, get well soon, etc, and hopefully I can make whenever the gig is rescheduled)?

Answer because she is a really great live vocal artist with a stunning contralto. But because I'm disappointed she went in this common denominator coffee table commercial direction straying into Phil Collins, Simply Red, Wet Wet Wet, Dido territory instead of something more interesting then you are saying my opinion is invalid. How arrogant of you. But if 21 had more tracks as brilliant as Someone Like You or edgy like Rumour Has It, or the charm of tracks from her debut 19 like First Love & Best For Last instead of some tracks that sound like they could have been on either of Leona Lewis' first two albums with the nadir being Turning Tables then I would have a much higher opinion of her second album.

To quantify I like all sorts of music from all sorts of genre, but I despise bland insepid music, with Westlife being my least favourite act of all time.

Likewise at the BRITs I was delighted for Laura Marling to win best UK female artist ahead of a substantial number of posters on DS who wanted Cheryl Cole to win and had not heard of the critically acclaimed two times Mercury Music Award nominated folk singer; and Arcade Fire to win best International Group (ahead of DS favoured Black Eyed Peas & Kings Of Leon) & Album (ahead of DS favoured Eminem & Katy Perry) then I'm proud to be called a music snob because I like to listen to and be challenged and moved by music, not have it playing in the background to be purchased on my iPhone one month and played to death, then deleted or forgotten the next year like the average finalist in Simon Cowell's annual revenue raising publicity generating meat factory.
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Old 07-09-2011, 23:46
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Oh, sorry my mistake I thought this was Digitalspy where this thread is being carried out with some ignorant hatred towards the second most talented British female artist behind Kate Bush who has made a string of great albums since her debut Dry in the past two decades.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/ne...and-shake.html

Oh hang on a minute this is Digitalspy, hence my comments are valid.

Likewise, so because I think 21 is a rather disappointing follow up to a very promising debut album 19, then you are automatically saying my opinion is invalid. What piousness.

But I guess going back to the late 1960s when the likes of The Zombies - Odessey & Oracle; The Kinks - We Are The Village Green Preservation Society; Nick Drake - Five Leaves Left; etc all sold minimal amount of records compared to UK#1 albums Val Doonican - Val Doonican Rocks, But Gently; Andy Williams - Love, Andy; Tom Jones - Delilah then they are not as good because the public knew better than music critics.

Just as they apparently do now with Adele being better than PJ Harvey despite critical reviews by paid music critics suggesting otherwise.

What utter rubbish.

Sorry, but I prefer to not be spoonfed what to buy by Simon Cowell TV programmes and the Radio 1 playlist, and like to make my own mind up.

Oh, and if I so disliked Adele then how come I've forked out some serious income to have gone and seen Adele in Concert at Bournemouth International Centre on Monday (which did not take place because of her ill health, get well soon, etc, and hopefully I can make whenever the gig is rescheduled)?

Answer because she is a really great live vocal artist with a stunning contralto. But because I'm disappointed she went in this common denominator coffee table commercial direction straying into Phil Collins, Simply Red, Wet Wet Wet, Dido territory instead of something more interesting then you are saying my opinion is invalid. How arrogant of you. But if 21 had more tracks as brilliant as Someone Like You or edgy like Rumour Has It, or the charm of tracks from her debut 19 like First Love & Best For Last instead of some tracks that sound like they could have been on either of Leona Lewis' first two albums with the nadir being Turning Tables then I would have a much higher opinion of her second album.

To quantify I like all sorts of music from all sorts of genre, but I despise bland insepid music, with Westlife being my least favourite act of all time.

Likewise at the BRITs I was delighted for Laura Marling to win best UK female artist ahead of a substantial number of posters on DS who wanted Cheryl Cole to win and had not heard of the critically acclaimed two times Mercury Music Award nominated folk singer; and Arcade Fire to win best International Group (ahead of DS favoured Black Eyed Peas & Kings Of Leon) & Album (ahead of DS favoured Eminem & Katy Perry) then I'm proud to be called a music snob because I like to listen to and be challenged and moved by music, not have it playing in the background to be purchased on my iPhone one month and played to death, then deleted or forgotten the next year like the average finalist in Simon Cowell's annual revenue raising publicity generating meat factory.
you seem to forget thats just in your opinion
not everyones is the same
yet you talk down to people who disagree with you
and refer to them & their choices negatively, you assume anyone who might not be a pj harvey fan only likes xfactor stuff and then you have the nerve to call THEM ignorant???
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Old 08-09-2011, 08:52
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i cant believe the music snobs have won again
the mercury prize isnt for the best album
its for the one those ***** think makes them look cool and "hip"
Your opening post, then you say you talk down to people who disagree with you. I think the word is hypocrite
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Old 08-09-2011, 11:33
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iv'e followed pj harvey's career for years and have to say her albums flatter to deceive in my opinion. They seem good briefly then fade away. I loved Let England Shake for about 3 weeks of playing, now i can't abide the thing.

that might say more about me, but i don't believe it does
I would say the exact opposite. Every album of hers has grown on me the more I've listened to it. I've never sat down and listened to an album of hers for the first time and "got it", it always takes time for me.

I get the impression from PJ fans that they actually would have preferred Adele to win so they could have had a right old moan and dig. It's really really strange.
As a fan of Polly Jean since Dry, why would I have preferred Adele to win?

My wife and I have both Polly Jean's and Adele's albums and, whilst Adele's album has some fine individual tracks, for me Polly Jean's album is a better, more coherent, work overall. Something the judges for the Mercury Music Prize also thought.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:11
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Your opening post, then you say you talk down to people who disagree with you. I think the word is hypocrite
i think weve been through this on the other thread so why you need to stlk me on this i dont know, why can you and other of her fans accept some people just dnt like her music without resorting to calling us uneducated, ignorant, lacking depth etc etc and attack ? ive explain my stance and corrected myself in the other thread, so please put the claws away
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:41
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i think weve been through this on the other thread so why you need to stlk me on this i dont know, why can you and other of her fans accept some people just dnt like her music without resorting to calling us uneducated, ignorant, lacking depth etc etc and attack ? ive explain my stance and corrected myself in the other thread, so please put the claws away
I seem to recall that it was you who resorted to calling those who like PJ Harvey's new album as music snobs or what was it 'to make them look hip and cool' in the first place.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:45
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I get the impression from PJ fans that they actually would have preferred Adele to win so they could have had a right old moan and dig. It's really really strange. I think what the poster you replied to was trying to say was that the biggest selling album just about never wins the Mercury and that is fact. Adele fans accepted a long time ago that she wasn't going to win and I think from what I've seen on here the vast majority of those that have responded on the forums have said they are glad PJ won and good luck to her. The Mercury has a place in the awards calendar to help balance out what happens at The Brits IMO and I'm genuinely pleased for the lass.

PS Seems like PJ has much more grace than some of her fans as she actually picked out Adele to praise before the show. Maybe some of her fans could adopt a similar outlook?
I understand what you say about most Adele fans being gracious and being glad that PJ won and I agree with you. But to say that PJ Harvey fans actually wanted Adele to win so that they could have a moan? That's just plain ridiculous. I think you'll find that the reason all this has arisen is because of this:

i cant believe the music snobs have won again
the mercury prize isnt for the best album
its for the one those ***** think makes them look cool and "hip"
What do you expect PJ Harvey fans to do to such a spiteful post?
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Old 08-09-2011, 17:33
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The MMP is never given to the best album. It usually goes to people nobody has ever heard of, but who are liked by music reviewers. I can't relate to music reviewers, so I don't claim to understand why they thought PJ's album was the best. Probably had something to do with the stuff on there about the Iraq War, which probably reflects their views.

Let's not forget that once they gave it to Speaking Jinglebells. What good has it done her, or last year's winner?

If I was a musician, I wouldn't want one. All it means is that a load of people who write music reviews like you.
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Old 08-09-2011, 17:46
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The MMP is never given to the best album. It usually goes to people nobody has ever heard of, but who are liked by music reviewers. I can't relate to music reviewers, so I don't claim to understand why they thought PJ's album was the best. Probably had something to do with the stuff on there about the Iraq War, which probably reflects their views.

Let's not forget that once they gave it to Speaking Jinglebells. What good has it done her, or last year's winner?

If I was a musician, I wouldn't want one. All it means is that a load of people who write music reviews like you.
Take a look at the user score
http://www.metacritic.com/music/let-england-shake

It's not just music reviewers.
There's also a difference with PJ Harvey, she's been around for twenty years and won this prize before.
And actually I believe it did the xx quite a bit of good.

I'm sure that if you were a musician you would want any prize you could get your hands on to get some more recognition. Absurd thing to say.
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Old 08-09-2011, 18:02
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The MMP is never given to the best album. It usually goes to people nobody has ever heard of, but who are liked by music reviewers. I can't relate to music reviewers, so I don't claim to understand why they thought PJ's album was the best. Probably had something to do with the stuff on there about the Iraq War, which probably reflects their views.

Let's not forget that once they gave it to Speaking Jinglebells. What good has it done her, or last year's winner?

If I was a musician, I wouldn't want one. All it means is that a load of people who write music reviews like you.
Last years winner is working on their second album so I don't see your point there.
And I believe the reason they thought PJ Harveys was best was because, stop the presses, they thought PJ Harveys was best.
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Old 08-09-2011, 18:05
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I understand what you say about most Adele fans being gracious and being glad that PJ won and I agree with you. But to say that PJ Harvey fans actually wanted Adele to win so that they could have a moan? That's just plain ridiculous. I think you'll find that the reason all this has arisen is because of this:



What do you expect PJ Harvey fans to do to such a spiteful post?
kill me?
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Old 11-09-2011, 19:56
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The Mercurys win has certainly helped P J Harvey attract more listeners. 'Let England Shake' is up from 181 to 24 in this week's UK album chart. An incredible jump! Excellent.
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Old 15-09-2016, 21:16
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Is it always this pretentious?
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Old 15-09-2016, 21:30
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Is it always this pretentious?
yep but its getting worse

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Old 15-09-2016, 22:11
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Is it always this pretentious?
Sadly yes. I don't bother with it anymore just curious to see if David Bowie won for his last album. Skepta is not my kind of music at all but fair play to them. Might have been nice if he had said a little something in the acceptance speech about Bowie but heyho.
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Old 15-09-2016, 22:37
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Sadly yes. I don't bother with it anymore just curious to see if David Bowie won for his last album.
I'm sure they were determined it wouldn't. Nominating it generated public interest, though.
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Old 15-09-2016, 22:55
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Sadly yes. I don't bother with it anymore just curious to see if David Bowie won for his last album. Skepta is not my kind of music at all but fair play to them. Might have been nice if he had said a little something in the acceptance speech about Bowie but heyho.
Bowie shall be remembered for many many years to come.
I'll have forgotten about this Skepta chap by the end of the week!
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