So in other words you do admit and know it goes on. Which makes the disclaimer of "I've not seen it myself in real life with my own eyes" pretty pointless.

There are vegetarians and vegans who want to preach. In the same way as you get some meat eaters who find the whole concept of vegetarianism alien and don't respect people's right to their own view.

Or are you going to say that mass genocide never took place in Somalia as you did not see it with your own eyes?

Oh for f***'s sake - you're being pedantic and you know it.

Yes, I know it goes on but I haven't ever seen it so can't comment on why they do it. I have experienced being verbally attacked by meat eaters so I can comment on it.

I've had enough of petty people posting petty comments on a subject that has no right answer so I'm offically done with this thread.

I did try and say there was no right and wrong answer as there isn't! Ve/gans have their way, meat-eaters have theirs, i respect why ve/gans feel like they do, but that way doesn't appeal to me at all. This is how the thread was supposed to have ended many pages ago...

ummm.. I did try and tell you taht you weren't gonna get the last word

But you HAVE seen it!!!! If you have seen it on telly then it is still real, and clearly represents their views and opinions. There is no pedantry here, just an inability by you to admit that vegetarians can be just as bad as what you have experienced.

It's all the same thing. It is intolerant people forcing their views on others. It does not matter whether it is a vegetarian doing it, or a meat eater doing the same, neither is acceptable.

You did, you did. Maybe this time...

seems unlikely Tbh *shrug*

You keep stealing it from me

As a meat eater who thinks there is no food better than a rare fillet steak (beef or venison), I've never come across evangelical veggies (fnar fnar). I have family members, friends and colleagues who are veggies and have necver had a problem with them. If I am inviting veggies around, I'll make sure that I cook something they can eat, and often will just do a full veggie meal to save hassle. If I'm eating in a large group of people where others are eating meat then I'll probably have meat as well, but it is just plain rudeness to order meat if everyone else is a veggie. If it's just a meal for 2 or 3, then I would hapilly order veggie as well.

Yes, we take the p1ss out of our work veggie, but then she takes the p1ss out of everyone else for our atrociaous diets of deep fried scotch pies in batter, or our lack of taste for not appreciating the finer points of mung beans.

Wtf? ever heard of an open discussion forum? They said a reasonable statement.

Maybe if you want a real life person and not on TV or the internet then forums aren't for you?

How is an opinion expressed on a forum not as valid as a real life person in the same room as you?


edit: just read to end of thread, looks like i missed the boat. I see you posted it like a generalisation, when you meant just in your first hand real life experience. Obviously it happens both ways.

Utter tosh jimbo meat is healthy food, provides many things my body needs and does in fact taste fantastic (especially when I cook it).

I'm sure you're aware that serious and reputable medical bodies the world over disagree with you there.


Although nothing that can't be got elsewhere, otherwise vegetarians and vegans wouldn't live long, happy and healthy lives with reduced risk of certain diseases ... which I'm sure you were also aware of

Which is purely your opinion, of course - one you're perfectly entitled to, but that doesn't make it a fact..

My daughter's friend was a vegetarian for a number of years because she felt it was cruel to eat animals. I used to cook a separate vegetarian meal for her every time she came over, which was very often. I didn't mind cooking for her and she never complained that we ate meat.

She has now reverted to eating meat again (chicken and fish only) but not beef. I think she missed eating meat.

But diet experts say fish and white meat is good for you. They even recommend it. Red meat not so much, but like everything, in moderation it is fine.

There are also a lot that would agree with me. Yes, my body can get what it needs from a vegetarian diet but why limit yourself. Meat is so versatile, far more than veg. As for my cooking being fantastic well it is, I NEVER have complaints ergo its fact. Was on my own tonight so it was humble kippers, sauerkraut, bread and butter and very nice was too (glass of cold white wine went down rather well also).

In all my years nursing vegetarianism was never popular with staff, doctors, and certainly not dieticians, I wonder why.

I love sauerkraut. I've discovered a new way of eating it.

I braise it with grated raw carrot, a leek and a sprinkling of caraway seeds. Goes well with fish. mmmmm...

I fancy some now

Sounds good, caraway seeds would match it well. Its not used enough in the UK, I got the taste for sauerkraut when I was based in Germany. Served with Blutwurst (blood sausage...similar to black pudding) or boiled German sausage its a simple wonderful autumn/winter dish. If you drain the sauerkraut you can then very gently fry it with smoked bacon lardons to reheat or use diced smoked Speck.

NOT 100% Not even in the majority recommend an entirely vegetarian diet.

Where's your evidence of this? My nan is 87 and she grew up on bread and dripping and meat with two veg everyday. Her advice to me is a little of what you fancy will do you no harm and everything in moderation. I do not personally know any vegetarian or vegan of a compartive advanced age.

The evidence is easy enough to find: you'll note that she did say "on average." Almost anybody knows somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody whose granddad drank half a bottle of brandy and smoked 100 cigarettes a day and lived to be 108 - given a big enough sample size you'll always find the odd rare (very rare) person who beats the odds. But statistically - forget it.

Even if this is true, wouldn't this be heavily skewed due to people who have a lot of McD's burgers and fatty meats on a regular basis falling into the meat-eaters catagory? These kind of things are fine now and then, but someone who has a lot of this type will probaly die earlier, bringing down the average age of all meat-eaters.
On the other side, ve/gans, by the very nature of being a ve/gan, will be more aware of what they are eating and make more informed decisions about healthier options. Therefore living longer.

Ve/gans may live longer than meat-eaters statistically, but not for purely not eating meat.

Statistics lie!

The whole 'who lives longer' is still an ongoing research issue but, the common agreement amongst impartial parties is that people who eat a healthy diet live longer, makes no difference if you are normal and eat meat or a vegi so long as your diet is a healthy one.

I did nurse people of 90++ years who drank and smoked and were fine, I also nursed folk of 60+ who smoked and drank and were suffering from liver failure and needed oxygen via a mask to breath. Perhaps fate and your DNA have a bigger influence on your later life than many people believe.