Let's campaign against animals killing other animals for food as well, while we're at it!

Humans aren't "designed" for anything at all.

So they would have no reason to exist - fine by me. Excellent. Was there a point?

Only in your world where you lack the basic empathy to understand what someone says rather that want you wish to believe.

Has anyone here claimed

any amount of grotesque cruelty to sentient creatures is justified

No, but you are unable to accept that as it doesn't fit your world view. So have to lie and make it up instead.


Sounds like you have a weak constitution, a bit of red meat will fix that.

steaks are best served rare.. everyone knows that.

To be honest, once they are on my plate they are food. I tend to eat my food, rather than wondering where it came from, how it became. If that makes me seem to support and condone cruelty to animals to you, then so be it.


Aren't we all omnivores? As being a veggie is a choice, but omnivores, carnivores, herbivores, are about the way we are designed.. Just saying.

Actually, I find this to be not quite true. For example, if I go to a vegetarian's home for a meal, I am given a totally vegetarian meal. If the vegetarian comes to my house, he/she expects a completely vegetarian meal for themselves, even if the rest of the company are meat eaters. On the whole, I don't mind providing this extra meal - but it is definitely more hassle!

On the question of why we eat it, mankind is descended from ape-like ancestors - all of whom are omnivores. (it is wrong to call most people carnivores - we are not these).We have not been around for that long for our guts to become adapted to a pure vegetarian diet eg we have no extra stomachs or parts of the intestine (eg caecum) to break down cellulose. As a huge amount of vegetable matter is cellulose, everytime we eat vegetables, we are unable to digest a large part of our meal. OK, this is "fibre" and thus good for our colon to keep it in good working order but nutritionally, it gives us zilch.
So, all vegetarians have to eat a variety of vegetables and lots of it to get the same nutrition as a small piece of meat eg to get enough first class proteins etc.

I do think that a lot of people in this country do eat too much meat, which brings its own problems.
So, in the long run, it is better to eat a small amount of well looked after animal rather than be a pure vegetarian

Who knows, being an omnivore eating a small amount of meat might even stop someone from being sanctimonius and preachy about being a vegetarian..

Probably best to say it's the way we have evolved, rather than the way we are designed, but I agree with the sentiment.

I agree, bad word choice

Go whine to people that care.

Of course we are designed, everything has a design, whether it be evolution or by some higher power. It's all in the DNA the blueprint of every single thing that exists. Humans have teeth capable of ripping and tearing through flesh or teeth for chewing vegetable matter. Our digestive system is made to cope with meat and vegetable.
And according to some scientific research plants feel pain and why not they're alive, they breathe.

Not if that is your belief I suppose

And why should your belief be any less valid than another persons?

Oh, and I have have no problem with Vegetarianism, just like I would hope they would have no problem with me. I do sometimes get confused with the levels of vegetarianism, there is a couple next door who call themselves vegetarians but eat fish (this seems to be now called pescatarian but they still call themselves vegetarian), but overall I don't mind what other people eat and their reasons for them.

I eat meat and I love animals!!!!

My favourite animals are chickens, pigs, cows and sheep.

Well according to one member of DS this is impossible, you are basically lying to yourself

And It's not proven one way or the other whether plants feel pain or not.

To clear up what seems to be an evident confusion about the term, to be an omnivore means that an organism is merely capable of eating plant matter and flesh. That's it - can eat. Not should eat, ought to eat, must eat, needs to eat - can eat. Omnivorous organisms can eat flesh but, by virtue of the fact that they are omnivores, don't actually need to.

I'd love to see your evidence for this.


This too.

But can you show evidence that plants don't feel pain?

Until you can I think you should stop eating all plants as it might be cruel.

The negative proof fallacy - you're doing it right. Unfortunately.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Negative_proof

When you see a chicken coming towards you it's kill or be killed!

Meat tastes nice and I feel no shame in eating it. It is part of nature.

Appeal to nature - another fallacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_...ional_argument

Yes, that would be true when you are talking about ghosts or god but it is a real, not that far fetched possibility that plants do feel pain.

As another poster said they are alive and breath. They don't have voices and move very slowly so we can't hear or see their pain.

Not very interested in possibilities. Sorry. Evidence will do nicely, though.

Ok then, bury your head in the sand to the fact that plants might feel pain and keep eating the poor things that have been ripped from the ground in their prime.

That fact is that you don't know and nor do I.

All this talk of animal cruelty forgets the fact that the one animal that suffers the most cruelty more than all the others put together at the hands of us humans is us humans.

I'm not interested in 'might'.