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BrunoStreete
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“If you eat meat and fish, you support and condone cruelty to animals. That is an inescapable fact.


No, I have't lost my senses, and a partially burnt slice of a dead animal would do nothing other than make me projectile vomit all over the nearest omnivore's head.”

What a patronising post.
AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
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AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“I'm not interested in 'might'.”

Ok then, they could feel pain, you don't know one way or the other so your morales should dictate that until you know for absolute certain you should stop eating them.
Rossall
07-09-2011
I just enjoy gorging myself on the dripping carcases of dead fluffy animals really.

I'm just about to have a Tuna sandwich made from a dead Fish.
Sweet FA
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by Cat.J:
“Why do people eat meat?

Is it because they are not concerned about animal welfare?

Or is it for health reasons?”

Last time I checked, it wasn't illegal so live and (animals to be eaten aside) let live.
AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by Rossall:
“I just enjoy gorging myself on the dripping carcases of dead fluffy animals really.

I'm just about to have a Tuna sandwich made from a dead Fish. ”

MMMMMMM dead things!!!
Rossall
07-09-2011
I think it's probably because we've had them as pets in the past but I would never eat Rabbit. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with it.

And I do go for Free Range or Barn Eggs when possible as I don't like the idea of battery Hens.

No chance of me going veggie though.
MamboJimbo
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by Rossall:
“I think it's probably because we've had them as pets in the past but I would never eat Rabbit. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with it.”

Why are rabbits in and pigs (for example) out? Surely not just because you've had rabbits as pets?

That's not very good, is it?
Chizzleface
07-09-2011
I eat meat. I will not be made to feel guilty about this. If people don't like it, that's their own personal problem, not mine.
AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“Why are rabbits in and pigs (for example) out? Surely not just because you've had rabbits as pets?

That's not very good, is it?”

Not very good in which way?

Do you think the sabre tooth tigers gave a $%&% when the were biting into the necks of our ancestors with their massive teeth?

No, we were their natural food and the animals we eat today are ours.
MamboJimbo
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by AppleJuice:):
“Not very good in which way?”

In the way that it's an entirely arbitrary (therefore completely unjustified) decision as to which animals are pets and which ones are food.

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“Do you think the sabre tooth tigers gave a $%&% when the were biting into the necks of our ancestors?”

I've no evidence that sabre-toothed tigers were moral agents capable of discriminating between right and wrong.

Always open to new evidence, though.

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“No, we were their natural food and the animals we eat today are ours.”

Appeal to nature = fallacy.
AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“I've no evidence that sabre-toothed tigers were moral agents capable of discriminating between right and wrong.


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What is right and wrong is a matter of opinion.

They are our natural food.
MamboJimbo
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by AppleJuice:):
“What is right and wrong is a matter of opinion.

They are our natural food.”

Appeal to nature is still a fallacy however many times you don't get it.
AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“Appeal to nature is still a fallacy however many times you don't get it.”

Then the same thought pattern should be applied to plants on your behalf.
MamboJimbo
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by AppleJuice:):
“Then the same thought pattern should be applied to plants on your behalf.”

No, because you haven't provided a scrap of evidence that plants are sentient or feel pain. "How do you know they don't" is not only not an argument, it's yet another fallacy in itself, namely, the negative proof fallacy.
Rossall
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“Why are rabbits in and pigs (for example) out? Surely not just because you've had rabbits as pets?

That's not very good, is it?”

I had rabbits as pets as a kid and also Bacon and Sausage sandwiches so I'm fond of both. I'd often sink my teeth into a nice juicy Bacon buttie whilst watching our rabbits hop around happily.

Bliss.
BrunoStreete
07-09-2011
I love meat, it tastes nice and there really is no substitute for it.
AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“No, because you haven't provided a scrap of evidence that plants are sentient or feel pain. "How do you know they don't" is not only not an argument, it's yet another fallacy in itself, namely, the negative proof fallacy.”

But it is not a negative proof fallacy.

Plant are living, breathing, drinking beings.

Therefore they are highly likely to also feel pain.
MamboJimbo
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by AppleJuice:):
“But it is not a negative proof fallacy.”

Yes it is.

Quote:
“Plant are living, breathing, drinking beings.”

Correct.
Quote:
“Therefore they are highly likely to also feel pain.”

Fail. "Living, breathing, drinking" /= "likely to feel pain."
Justabloke
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by Rossall:
“I think it's probably because we've had them as pets in the past but I would never eat Rabbit. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with it.

And I do go for Free Range or Barn Eggs when possible as I don't like the idea of battery Hens.

No chance of me going veggie though. ”

Roast or stewed rabbit is lush.... you should try it
JamesParkin
07-09-2011
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If god didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
Justabloke
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by AppleJuice:):
“But it is not a negative proof fallacy.

Plant are living, breathing, drinking beings.

Therefore they are highly likely to also feel pain.”

Don't forget they also strive to propagate themselves....
AppleJuice:)
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“Yes it is.


Correct.

Fail. "Living, breathing, drinking" /= "likely to feel pain."”

Ok, fair enough.

But you need to stop using you computer RIGHT NOW!!!!

There are animal products in it!

And chuck out your TV and some of your clothes. THEN you will definitely be on the moral high ground!!

Just joking.
RecordPlayer
07-09-2011
I love meat and feel good after eating it...mainly beef, chicken and lamb...yummy!
loujac05
07-09-2011
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“I'd love to see your evidence for this.


This too.”

Evidence of evolution? Didn't Charles Darwin start that 200 years ago and as for the DNA map that they started to read in 1929 is that not enough for you or are you just ignorant of all beliefs except your own. Eat meat or choose not to, whatever its your choice. Just don't deny centuries of human evolution to meet your own ends.
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