Originally Posted by Justabloke:
“Don't forget they also strive to propagate themselves....”
“Don't forget they also strive to propagate themselves....”
Agree - my runner beans are living proof of that this year!
Meat-eater Why?
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I love meat, can't beat good dead animal flesh, organic or not, it all tastes good. Humans are the top of the food chain so bring on the meat.
Before I retired from nursing we were getting more problems with vegetarian/vegan children whose diet given to young Harry and Joshinda types by their 'right on' parents was in fact harming them.
I do like home made vegetable soup though, even better with a few chunks of neck of lamb added
Before I retired from nursing we were getting more problems with vegetarian/vegan children whose diet given to young Harry and Joshinda types by their 'right on' parents was in fact harming them.
I do like home made vegetable soup though, even better with a few chunks of neck of lamb added
Originally Posted by Cat.J:
“Why do people eat meat?
Is it because they are not concerned about animal welfare?
Or is it for health reasons?”
“Why do people eat meat?
Is it because they are not concerned about animal welfare?
Or is it for health reasons?”
Because it tastes magnificent (and is also a great source of protein)
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“I love meat, can't beat good dead animal flesh, organic or not, it all tastes good. Humans are the top of the food chain so bring on the meat.
Before I retired from nursing we were getting more problems with vegetarian/vegan children whose diet given to young Harry and Joshinda types by their 'right on' parents was in fact harming them.
I do like home made vegetable soup though, even better with a few chunks of neck of lamb added”
“I love meat, can't beat good dead animal flesh, organic or not, it all tastes good. Humans are the top of the food chain so bring on the meat.
Before I retired from nursing we were getting more problems with vegetarian/vegan children whose diet given to young Harry and Joshinda types by their 'right on' parents was in fact harming them.
I do like home made vegetable soup though, even better with a few chunks of neck of lamb added
”
I think the problem is that vegetarians don't realise they could be deficient in Vit B 12.... until they're well into becoming anaemic.
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“Yes it is.
Correct.
Fail. "Living, breathing, drinking" /= "likely to feel pain."”
“Yes it is.
Correct.
Fail. "Living, breathing, drinking" /= "likely to feel pain."”
All joking and point scoring aside, I can accept why veggies don't want to eat meat, and even that tthey seem a bit miffed that meat-eaters don't seem to care that these animlas have been killed.
You seem intent on taking the moral high ground that what you are doing makes you superior. When in fact it is just a life choice yoy have chosen, and will in no way stop meat eating happening, but it is just to feel good about yourself.
Almost like a 'yay me, look how much I care'.
Choosing not to eat meat is one thing, preaching makes you a very boring and irritating person, at least on here.
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“If you eat meat and fish, you support and condone cruelty to animals. That is an inescapable fact.”
“If you eat meat and fish, you support and condone cruelty to animals. That is an inescapable fact.”
If you eat eggs, milk, butter or cheese you also condone cruelty to animals.
Originally Posted by ajman:
“If you eat eggs, milk, butter or cheese you also condone cruelty to animals.”
“If you eat eggs, milk, butter or cheese you also condone cruelty to animals.”
Absolutely right.
That's why I don't.
Originally Posted by loujac05:
“Evidence of evolution?”
“Evidence of evolution?”
No, evidence of design, which implies conscious forethought and intelligent planning. You said:
Quote:
“Of course we are designed, everything has a design, whether it be evolution or by some higher power.”
“Of course we are designed, everything has a design, whether it be evolution or by some higher power.”
That's what I want to see evidence of - design.
Originally Posted by neo_wales:
“I love meat, can't beat good dead animal flesh, organic or not, it all tastes good. Humans are the top of the food chain so bring on the meat.
Before I retired from nursing we were getting more problems with vegetarian/vegan children whose diet given to young Harry and Joshinda types by their 'right on' parents was in fact harming them.
I do like home made vegetable soup though, even better with a few chunks of neck of lamb added”
“I love meat, can't beat good dead animal flesh, organic or not, it all tastes good. Humans are the top of the food chain so bring on the meat.
Before I retired from nursing we were getting more problems with vegetarian/vegan children whose diet given to young Harry and Joshinda types by their 'right on' parents was in fact harming them.
I do like home made vegetable soup though, even better with a few chunks of neck of lamb added
”
I am on the fence with this, because on the one hand I don't think they should force vegetarianism on their children, but then on the other hand we meat eaters do the same, so I can't really say anything. But when it comes to health shouldn't they be using supplements to recover what is lost from not eating meat (if they are not choosing the right vegetarian food), if they are going to feed them a vegetarian diet?
Question for vegetarians, if your child decided when they were old enough to decide that they would like to eat meat would you allow it?
Just I hear a lot about the reverse and meat eaters then cooking vegetarian food for their kids. But the few times I have heard of it happening in the vegetarian families the parents refuse to cook meat and tells them if they want to eat meat they will have to get it for themselves. Now it is not banning them completely but it doesn't seem as open minded with peoples choice as the meat eaters view. I know there is the ethical point so this might come into play, anyway just thought it was an interesting question so I thought I would ask.
Originally Posted by PhoenixRises:
“I am on the fence with this, because on the one hand I don't think they should force vegetarianism on their children, but then on the other hand we meat eaters do the same, so I can't really say anything.”
“I am on the fence with this, because on the one hand I don't think they should force vegetarianism on their children, but then on the other hand we meat eaters do the same, so I can't really say anything.”
Precisely - if you plan on having kids and actually feeding them, you have to feed them a diet of some sort, either with meat in it or without.
Quote:
“But when it comes to health shouldn't they be using supplements to recover what is lost from not eating meat, if they are going to feed them a vegetarian diet?”
“But when it comes to health shouldn't they be using supplements to recover what is lost from not eating meat, if they are going to feed them a vegetarian diet?”
Supplements are not actually needed in a properly balanced vegetarian diet. You don't lose anything by not eating meat if you eat widely and well.
Quote:
“Question for vegetarians, if your child decided when they were old enough to decide that they would like to eat meat would you allow it?”
“Question for vegetarians, if your child decided when they were old enough to decide that they would like to eat meat would you allow it?”
It would depend on their age, really, wouldn't it - there's always the argument that a child should eat what's put in front of them on the table andif they don't want it they go without, but when they get older and start going out and about and fending for themselves (as teenagers, for instance), clearly they can eat what they like.
Originally Posted by Sallysally:
“Actually, I find this to be not quite true. For example, if I go to a vegetarian's home for a meal, I am given a totally vegetarian meal. If the vegetarian comes to my house, he/she expects a completely vegetarian meal for themselves, even if the rest of the company are meat eaters. On the whole, I don't mind providing this extra meal - but it is definitely more hassle!
”
“Actually, I find this to be not quite true. For example, if I go to a vegetarian's home for a meal, I am given a totally vegetarian meal. If the vegetarian comes to my house, he/she expects a completely vegetarian meal for themselves, even if the rest of the company are meat eaters. On the whole, I don't mind providing this extra meal - but it is definitely more hassle!
”
That doesn't really defend that standpoint, when I say 'get more hassle' I meant from a verbal perspective. At any rate, it wouldn't be more hassle if you took the more logical route and cooked a veggie dinner for everyone - just like one probably would cook a Halal or Kosher dinner if there was one Muslim or one Jew attending. By virtue of the fact that you've invited a veggie, knowing full well that they are a veggie, then you're consenting to meet their dietary wishes, i.e. there is one sort of food that you need to avoid using, rather than a sort of food that you MUST use - even if you adore meat it isn't a dietary requirement to include it in every meal.
EDIT: of course, MamboJimbo isn't really helping my argument here, though I do agree with a lot of what they’re saying, I think the desire to abstain from meat on moral grounds is a decision that people should need to reach for themselves if at all.
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“
Supplements are not actually needed in a properly balanced vegetarian diet. You don't lose anything by not eating meat if you eat widely and well. ”
“
Supplements are not actually needed in a properly balanced vegetarian diet. You don't lose anything by not eating meat if you eat widely and well. ”
Well I did say if not choosing the right vegetarian diet
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“It would depend on their age, really, wouldn't it - there's always the argument that a child should eat what's put in front of them on the table andif they don't want it they go without, but when they get older and start going out and about and fending for themselves (as teenagers, for instance), clearly they can eat what they like.”
“It would depend on their age, really, wouldn't it - there's always the argument that a child should eat what's put in front of them on the table andif they don't want it they go without, but when they get older and start going out and about and fending for themselves (as teenagers, for instance), clearly they can eat what they like.”
I did say when they are old enough to decide. So when they are old enough you wouldn't mind cooking a meat dish for this hypothetical child when you are making a meal for the rest of the vegetarian family?
Originally Posted by c4rv:
“odd, two threads on the same subject in two days ?”
“odd, two threads on the same subject in two days ?”
I think this was started as a sort of p*ss take of the other one
Originally Posted by gareth83:
“All joking and point scoring aside, I can accept why veggies don't want to eat meat, and even that tthey seem a bit miffed that meat-eaters don't seem to care that these animlas have been killed.
You seem intent on taking the moral high ground that what you are doing makes you superior. When in fact it is just a life choice yoy have chosen, and will in no way stop meat eating happening, but it is just to feel good about yourself.
Almost like a 'yay me, look how much I care'.
Choosing not to eat meat is one thing, preaching makes you a very boring and irritating person, at least on here.”
“All joking and point scoring aside, I can accept why veggies don't want to eat meat, and even that tthey seem a bit miffed that meat-eaters don't seem to care that these animlas have been killed.
You seem intent on taking the moral high ground that what you are doing makes you superior. When in fact it is just a life choice yoy have chosen, and will in no way stop meat eating happening, but it is just to feel good about yourself.
Almost like a 'yay me, look how much I care'.
Choosing not to eat meat is one thing, preaching makes you a very boring and irritating person, at least on here.”
Rearrange...
wasting time you're
Sadly, he leaves no choice but to treat his opinions with the contempt they deserve.
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“I think the problem is that vegetarians don't realise they could be deficient in Vit B 12.... until they're well into becoming anaemic.”
“I think the problem is that vegetarians don't realise they could be deficient in Vit B 12.... until they're well into becoming anaemic.”
Only vegans are at any kind of risk at all of B12 deficiency: if a properly planned varied vegan diet can provide enough B12 a properly planned varied vegetarian diet sure as hell can - to be a vegetarian and running the risk of B12 deficiency you really have to work at it almost deliberately and wilfully. If a vegetarian has such a poor diet that they're deficient in it, chances are they'd have a similarly poor diet whether they were vegetarian or not.
I eat mainly meat & fish as they taste a damn sight better than vegetables, if I couldn't have my beef chilli / chicken curry / weekly steak / roast joint on a Sunday, then I would go nuts. Yes I know you can make vegetable chilli & vegetable curry, but in all honesty they taste like crap.
Even if I am low on cash, I will still get my meat the cheapest way possible as imho, neither a £3 chicken or a £10 chicken gets hot cocoa & slippers before it gets it's neck slit.
At the end of the day everyone has got choice what they want to eat, unless of course they are restricted by religion. But they shouldn't have the evils of eating meat, forced down their throat, by the likes of Paul Mccartney. I cannot stand preaching of any kind, should it be about religion, or about what I eat.
I am a meat eater, I will always be a meat eater, I am a proud member of PETA = People who eat tasty animals.
Even if I am low on cash, I will still get my meat the cheapest way possible as imho, neither a £3 chicken or a £10 chicken gets hot cocoa & slippers before it gets it's neck slit.
At the end of the day everyone has got choice what they want to eat, unless of course they are restricted by religion. But they shouldn't have the evils of eating meat, forced down their throat, by the likes of Paul Mccartney. I cannot stand preaching of any kind, should it be about religion, or about what I eat.
I am a meat eater, I will always be a meat eater, I am a proud member of PETA = People who eat tasty animals.
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“As is so often the case, the Wikipedia page on vegetarianism is a good place to start - not in its own right but via the links to subsequent material that it contains, in this case to long-term studies and reports by medical bodies around the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetar...s_and_concerns”
“As is so often the case, the Wikipedia page on vegetarianism is a good place to start - not in its own right but via the links to subsequent material that it contains, in this case to long-term studies and reports by medical bodies around the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetar...s_and_concerns”
Ah, good old Wikipedia, the source of ALL wisdom - NOT. Try harder.
Originally Posted by Libertarian:
“Ah, good old Wikipedia, the source of ALL wisdom - NOT. Try harder.”
“Ah, good old Wikipedia, the source of ALL wisdom - NOT. Try harder.”
Didn't read what I wrote, did you? Try it again, more slowly this time if necessary. As a special favour I'll even put the pertinent bit in bold, to make it easier to find:
Quote:
“As is so often the case, the Wikipedia page on vegetarianism is a good place to start - not in its own right but via the links to subsequent material that it contains, in this case to long-term studies and reports by medical bodies around the world”
“As is so often the case, the Wikipedia page on vegetarianism is a good place to start - not in its own right but via the links to subsequent material that it contains, in this case to long-term studies and reports by medical bodies around the world”
Originally Posted by MamboJimbo:
“Only vegans are at any kind of risk at all of B12 deficiency: if a properly planned varied vegan diet can provide enough B12 a properly planned varied vegetarian diet sure as hell can - to be a vegetarian and running the risk of B12 deficiency you really have to work at it almost deliberately and wilfully. If a vegetarian has such a poor diet that they're deficient in it, chances are they'd have a similarly poor diet whether they were vegetarian or not.”
“Only vegans are at any kind of risk at all of B12 deficiency: if a properly planned varied vegan diet can provide enough B12 a properly planned varied vegetarian diet sure as hell can - to be a vegetarian and running the risk of B12 deficiency you really have to work at it almost deliberately and wilfully. If a vegetarian has such a poor diet that they're deficient in it, chances are they'd have a similarly poor diet whether they were vegetarian or not.”
Some people who become vegetarians/vegans don't realise they might become deficient in B12.
By eating vegetables and tofu etc..they think they're eating healthily, and on occasion have to rely on supplements.
It sounds like too much hard work being a vegetarian. lol
Anyway, I'm off to eat a juicy steak..I'm starving
Originally Posted by RecordPlayer:
“Some people who become vegetarians/vegans don't realise they might become deficient in B12.
By eating vegetables and tofu etc..they think they're eating healthily, and on occasion have to rely on supplements.
It sounds like too much hard work being a vegetarian. lol
Anyway, I'm off to eat a juicy steak..I'm starving”
“Some people who become vegetarians/vegans don't realise they might become deficient in B12.
By eating vegetables and tofu etc..they think they're eating healthily, and on occasion have to rely on supplements.
It sounds like too much hard work being a vegetarian. lol
Anyway, I'm off to eat a juicy steak..I'm starving
”
Oooooh! I love steak, especially fillet!
Nice bit of chicken for me for lunch....and a bit of veg to restore nature's balance and all that
Originally Posted by whackyracer:
“Mumbo, put a sock in it wil ya? Ta muchly.”
“Mumbo, put a sock in it wil ya? Ta muchly.”
good luck with that...
Originally Posted by whackyracer:
“Oooooh! I love steak, especially fillet!
Nice bit of chicken for me for lunch....and a bit of veg to restore nature's balance and all that”
“Oooooh! I love steak, especially fillet!
Nice bit of chicken for me for lunch....and a bit of veg to restore nature's balance and all that
”
I had tuna sushi... I imagine that'll make him froth at the mouth with indignant rage
I'm going for a mixed carvery lunch later - beef, turkey and ham all on the same plate *happy*
When a member of my family got married a few years ago, we got a local farmer to do a hog roast for us. That was chuffing delicious.
When a member of my family got married a few years ago, we got a local farmer to do a hog roast for us. That was chuffing delicious.
Originally Posted by whackyracer:
“Mumbo, put a sock in it wil ya? Ta muchly.”
“Mumbo, put a sock in it wil ya? Ta muchly.”
Firstly: It's Mambo. The second letter is an A.
Secondly: No ... no, I don't think I will, actually. Feel free to ignore my posts.
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