ooooooh lovely!
***Faye Appreciation Thread***
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Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“I agree with you, Faye has no doubts and lets face it she knows a damn sight more about him than we do.
I bow to Fayes superior knowledge.
”
“I agree with you, Faye has no doubts and lets face it she knows a damn sight more about him than we do.
I bow to Fayes superior knowledge.
”
Agreed.
I love that folk are putting so much stock in someone who knows no more than we do about how Aaron is feeling, given he's not seen him for 9 weeks.
Faye last spoke to him a week ago so I think she knows what's going on better than anyone.
I know who I am more inclined to believe / take more notice of
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I don't think that shows Louise had more fans than Faye.
In a 1-on-1 vote especially, every possible reason for voting one way rather than another can be involved, and what's counts id votes, not the number of people voting.
By your logic (and the transitivity of "more fans"), Louise not only had more fans that Faye; she had more fans that Harry or any member of the wolf pack including Jay. Now, maybe that's true. Maybe Louise will even be the surprise winner of bb12. But I don't think anything very definite has been show by the one vote Louise faced.”
“I don't think that shows Louise had more fans than Faye.
In a 1-on-1 vote especially, every possible reason for voting one way rather than another can be involved, and what's counts id votes, not the number of people voting.
By your logic (and the transitivity of "more fans"), Louise not only had more fans that Faye; she had more fans that Harry or any member of the wolf pack including Jay. Now, maybe that's true. Maybe Louise will even be the surprise winner of bb12. But I don't think anything very definite has been show by the one vote Louise faced.”
Its not my logic hence the rolling eyes.
We know Faye had more fans than Louise therefore she must of had the Jay voters and others voting for her.
Faye did not get enough Aaron fans voting for her compared to when she was up against the wolfpack.
I hope that makes some sort of sense.
Didn't think of that! Probably been told not to! Very sensible!
i think if she was willing to answer Q's she's still supporting Aaron!
i think if she was willing to answer Q's she's still supporting Aaron!
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“My thoughts on the Aaron situation is that I tend to go by what I see rather than what other people say. What I've seen of Aaron has shown a somewhat insecure and socially awkward guy who is not good at opening up with his real feelings but nevertheless has a highly developed (if not overdeveloped) sense of morality and manners. I think he has a lot of faults in the way he treats people sometimes but, is basically well intentioned. I think he is smart, extremely funny and, at times, quite endearing and I think he has fallen for Faye far more than he is comfortable admitting to all and sundry on live TV.
I also think that Faye is well aware of all this and is not taking these things to heart anywhere near as much as people are worrying she will. She trusts her feelings.
For me, there are still a lot of mysteries surrounding Aaron but nothing so bad that I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.”
“My thoughts on the Aaron situation is that I tend to go by what I see rather than what other people say. What I've seen of Aaron has shown a somewhat insecure and socially awkward guy who is not good at opening up with his real feelings but nevertheless has a highly developed (if not overdeveloped) sense of morality and manners. I think he has a lot of faults in the way he treats people sometimes but, is basically well intentioned. I think he is smart, extremely funny and, at times, quite endearing and I think he has fallen for Faye far more than he is comfortable admitting to all and sundry on live TV.
I also think that Faye is well aware of all this and is not taking these things to heart anywhere near as much as people are worrying she will. She trusts her feelings.
For me, there are still a lot of mysteries surrounding Aaron but nothing so bad that I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.”
I agree with this. I think in some ways Aaron has almost surprised himself by how badly he's fallen for the girl. I really don't think he went into the house looking to get into a long term relationship. It just sort of happened that he met the girl of his dreams in Faye and fell for her. Hard. I don't think he has actually declared his love for her to anyone other than Faye herself.
During the course of the series, he's had 100 excuses to drop her, and nobody would have batted an eyelid if he had. If anything, she has probably had a negative effect in his popularity. Look back at the second time he was up for eviction, with the classic Heaven moment. He was not only saved first, but was cheered massively, and even had his name chanted. He was not in a relationship with Faye back then. Once he took the leap, he began to get boos and the like.
Despite all this, he has stuck with her the whole way through.
You can nitpick all you want about his lack of tears on her eviction, his lack of mentions of her since she's left, his picking of Harry above her, or whatever have you. I just struggle to think how on Earth Faye would have fit into any sort of winning 'gameplan' he may to progress in this game.
I really think he deserves the benefit of the doubt in this. I really do. Anything other than this being real just doesn't add up.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I don't think that's credible as a "sacrifice".
And it's not at all clear that her chances were better against 5 people. Indeed, I think either she or Tom would have gone.”
“I don't think that's credible as a "sacrifice".
And it's not at all clear that her chances were better against 5 people. Indeed, I think either she or Tom would have gone.”
I don't think we can judge Louise's actions or the housemates opinion of it based on our own knowledge of the relative popularity of each housemate.
We knew that Louise was the least popular housemate in the bookies' odds and probably more likely to go from a 5 way vote than from a 1 on 1 but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for the housemates to believe the opposite.
Just in terms of probabilities, she has a 50% chance of going against Faye and a 20% chance of going in a five-way so I think deliberately picking the 50% option in order to ensure that Tom and Alex were safe was a selfless act.
Originally Posted by command_error:
“I agree with this. I think in some ways Aaron has almost surprised himself by how badly he's fallen for the girl. I really don't think he went into the house looking to get into a long term relationship. It just sort of happened that he met the girl of his dreams in Faye and fell for her. Hard. I don't think he has actually declared his love for her to anyone other than Faye herself.
During the course of the series, he's had 100 excuses to drop her, and nobody would have batted an eyelid if he had. If anything, she has probably had a negative effect in his popularity. Look back at the second time he was up for eviction, with the classic Heaven moment. He was not only saved first, but was cheered massively, and even had his name chanted. He was not in a relationship with Faye back then. Once he took the leap, he began to get boos and the like.
Despite all this, he has stuck with her the whole way through.
You can nitpick all you want about his lack of tears on her eviction, his lack of mentions of her since she's left, his picking of Harry above her, or whatever have you. I just struggle to think how on Earth Faye would have fit into any sort of winning 'gameplan' he may to progress in this game.
I really think he deserves the benefit of the doubt in this. I really do. Anything other than this just doesn't add up.”
“I agree with this. I think in some ways Aaron has almost surprised himself by how badly he's fallen for the girl. I really don't think he went into the house looking to get into a long term relationship. It just sort of happened that he met the girl of his dreams in Faye and fell for her. Hard. I don't think he has actually declared his love for her to anyone other than Faye herself.
During the course of the series, he's had 100 excuses to drop her, and nobody would have batted an eyelid if he had. If anything, she has probably had a negative effect in his popularity. Look back at the second time he was up for eviction, with the classic Heaven moment. He was not only saved first, but was cheered massively, and even had his name chanted. He was not in a relationship with Faye back then. Once he took the leap, he began to get boos and the like.
Despite all this, he has stuck with her the whole way through.
You can nitpick all you want about his lack of tears on her eviction, his lack of mentions of her since she's left, his picking of Harry above her, or whatever have you. I just struggle to think how on Earth Faye would have fit into any sort of winning 'gameplan' he may to progress in this game.
I really think he deserves the benefit of the doubt in this. I really do. Anything other than this just doesn't add up.”
Totally agree with this and Thrombin's earlier post
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“I don't think we can judge Louise's actions or the housemates opinion of it based on our own knowledge of the relative popularity of each housemate.
We knew that Louise was the least popular housemate in the bookies' odds and probably more likely to go from a 5 way vote than from a 1 on 1 but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for the housemates to believe the opposite.
Just in terms of probabilities, she has a 50% chance of going against Faye and a 20% chance of going in a five-way so I think deliberately picking the 50% option in order to ensure that Tom and Alex were safe was a selfless act.”
“I don't think we can judge Louise's actions or the housemates opinion of it based on our own knowledge of the relative popularity of each housemate.
We knew that Louise was the least popular housemate in the bookies' odds and probably more likely to go from a 5 way vote than from a 1 on 1 but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for the housemates to believe the opposite.
Just in terms of probabilities, she has a 50% chance of going against Faye and a 20% chance of going in a five-way so I think deliberately picking the 50% option in order to ensure that Tom and Alex were safe was a selfless act.”
I don't agree! They iknow it's a vote to save! She knew Faye had done more and would be more likely to be saved in a 5 way than her! Esp as she survived Harry! louise knew she stood more chance in a one 2 one as faye had been booed!
A 121 is the same as a vote to evict and she figured in a vote to evict fAYE would go!
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“I don't think we can judge Louise's actions or the housemates opinion of it based on our own knowledge of the relative popularity of each housemate.
We knew that Louise was the least popular housemate in the bookies' odds and probably more likely to go from a 5 way vote than from a 1 on 1 but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for the housemates to believe the opposite.
Just in terms of probabilities, she has a 50% chance of going against Faye and a 20% chance of going in a five-way so I think deliberately picking the 50% option in order to ensure that Tom and Alex were safe was a selfless act.”
“I don't think we can judge Louise's actions or the housemates opinion of it based on our own knowledge of the relative popularity of each housemate.
We knew that Louise was the least popular housemate in the bookies' odds and probably more likely to go from a 5 way vote than from a 1 on 1 but I don't think it's at all unreasonable for the housemates to believe the opposite.
Just in terms of probabilities, she has a 50% chance of going against Faye and a 20% chance of going in a five-way so I think deliberately picking the 50% option in order to ensure that Tom and Alex were safe was a selfless act.”
Where do people get that idea of probability?
Those percentages make sense only if the result were chosen at random.
You also seem to be forgetting the whole point of voting to save and why it matters whether it's only two up or more.
There was nothing selfless about it at all. Louise was going to be up anyway. She did not put herself up. Putting herself up might have been selfless. Some dubious calculations about probabilities are not. And she wasn't even consistent about what her reasoning was.
I am astonished and disappointed that anyone in this forum has bought into the "sacrifice" spin.
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“My thoughts on the Aaron situation is that I tend to go by what I see rather than what other people say. What I've seen of Aaron has shown a somewhat insecure and socially awkward guy who is not good at opening up with his real feelings but nevertheless has a highly developed (if not overdeveloped) sense of morality and manners. I think he has a lot of faults in the way he treats people sometimes but, is basically well intentioned. I think he is smart, extremely funny and, at times, quite endearing and I think he has fallen for Faye far more than he is comfortable admitting to all and sundry on live TV.
I also think that Faye is well aware of all this and is not taking these things to heart anywhere near as much as people are worrying she will. She trusts her feelings.
For me, there are still a lot of mysteries surrounding Aaron but nothing so bad that I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.”
“My thoughts on the Aaron situation is that I tend to go by what I see rather than what other people say. What I've seen of Aaron has shown a somewhat insecure and socially awkward guy who is not good at opening up with his real feelings but nevertheless has a highly developed (if not overdeveloped) sense of morality and manners. I think he has a lot of faults in the way he treats people sometimes but, is basically well intentioned. I think he is smart, extremely funny and, at times, quite endearing and I think he has fallen for Faye far more than he is comfortable admitting to all and sundry on live TV.
I also think that Faye is well aware of all this and is not taking these things to heart anywhere near as much as people are worrying she will. She trusts her feelings.
For me, there are still a lot of mysteries surrounding Aaron but nothing so bad that I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.”
Aaron's seemed pretty good at opening up about his feelings for Harry and Mark.
The problem is that there's been an accumulation of things lately that put a question mark over Aaron.
What Anton and Harry said can be brushed aside. They had no credibility with me anyway. But now Aaron's best friend has said something similar. Then there's also the way Aaron seemed to pick Alex over Faye, there's the (so far as we know) lack of tears over Faye's departue (he seemed affected much more by Harry's and Mark's). There's his speech which made it seem Harry, Mark and even Heaven had had more impact on him. And there's the thing chris_sw noticed in Aaron's speech:
Originally Posted by chris_sw:
“Did he also really say this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kLqQQhgTw0#t=4m28
"One of my great positives was on week 3 after the whole TomFayeMosey thing had happened and I was sure that I was gone. I had upset people, I was ready to leave myself of my own accord and I had decided that I was a goner. I knew this was not behaviour acceptable to myself or to the general public but they seemed to love the fact that I was playing around and they saved me and cheered me. So there we go, it was a great moment for myself"
...”
“Did he also really say this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kLqQQhgTw0#t=4m28
"One of my great positives was on week 3 after the whole TomFayeMosey thing had happened and I was sure that I was gone. I had upset people, I was ready to leave myself of my own accord and I had decided that I was a goner. I knew this was not behaviour acceptable to myself or to the general public but they seemed to love the fact that I was playing around and they saved me and cheered me. So there we go, it was a great moment for myself"
...”
As I've said, it's not enough to turn me against Aaron. But it does make me wonder what is going on and make it difficult for me to wholeheartedly support him.
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“I don't agree! They iknow it's a vote to save! She knew Faye had done more and would be more likely to be saved in a 5 way than her! Esp as she survived Harry! louise knew she stood more chance in a one 2 one as faye had been booed!
A 121 is the same as a vote to evict and she figured in a vote to evict fAYE would go!”
“I don't agree! They iknow it's a vote to save! She knew Faye had done more and would be more likely to be saved in a 5 way than her! Esp as she survived Harry! louise knew she stood more chance in a one 2 one as faye had been booed!
A 121 is the same as a vote to evict and she figured in a vote to evict fAYE would go!”
Yes!
That is the logic of voting to save and the number who are up, and you've put it in a nutshell.
I did not realise Faye and Masey went to a premiere.
http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo...United+Kingdom
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...-Entertainment
http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo...United+Kingdom
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...-Entertainment
Ehh...i think this has been going for too long. His actions speak louder than words, unfortunately. We all saw that this was a one sided affair from the start and while it was interesting to watch....someone still thinks that it's for real.
When asked last night... who they'd want back in the house he said after mentioning Mark, Harry and Maisy... "oh yeah Faye" after Alex and Louise thought of her. That's really all there's to know
I knew she'd go darker...looks like she's got some layers going on too. Nice
When asked last night... who they'd want back in the house he said after mentioning Mark, Harry and Maisy... "oh yeah Faye" after Alex and Louise thought of her. That's really all there's to know
I knew she'd go darker...looks like she's got some layers going on too. Nice
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1578449
Do your stuff Fayeistas! (credit to wonkey donkey for Fayeistas!)
Do your stuff Fayeistas! (credit to wonkey donkey for Fayeistas!)
Originally Posted by Katiepie:
“He said Faye first actually and confirmed it when Emma asked why he never said her :s”
“He said Faye first actually and confirmed it when Emma asked why he never said her :s”
True he did say Faye first but then got ignored, which is fair enough I suppose seeing as she only just left.
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“Also as a fan of both I was sooooo peed off when some Aaron fans were deciding that Aaron would be better off without Faye, saying he'd be happier, have more fun, realise she was using him etc! the vast majority of Aaron fans did vote for her or support her(thinking she'd be safe), but i was really offended by the ones who were professing to know what was better for Aaron even though he as good as begged his fans to vote for her on twitter when he said "I don't want to wake up another day without you"
So it would be a bit presumptious of us to now do the same thing when Faye seems to be steadfast!
by all means if you don't like Aaron or have a different fave then vote for them, but I'd say Faye still supports him and if you are voting with Faye then I'd say until she says otherwise she is supporting Aaron!
Anyway we'll find out on BBOTS won't we? xx”
“Also as a fan of both I was sooooo peed off when some Aaron fans were deciding that Aaron would be better off without Faye, saying he'd be happier, have more fun, realise she was using him etc! the vast majority of Aaron fans did vote for her or support her(thinking she'd be safe), but i was really offended by the ones who were professing to know what was better for Aaron even though he as good as begged his fans to vote for her on twitter when he said "I don't want to wake up another day without you"
So it would be a bit presumptious of us to now do the same thing when Faye seems to be steadfast!
by all means if you don't like Aaron or have a different fave then vote for them, but I'd say Faye still supports him and if you are voting with Faye then I'd say until she says otherwise she is supporting Aaron!
Anyway we'll find out on BBOTS won't we? xx”
Does anyone know where I can view the video of him saying this?
Originally Posted by Heaven Scent:
“I did not realise Faye and Masey went to a premiere.
http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo...United+Kingdom
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...-Entertainment”
“I did not realise Faye and Masey went to a premiere.
http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo...United+Kingdom
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...-Entertainment”
awwww dead chuffed she got to go to a premiere!
Originally Posted by HollyL:
“Does anyone know where I can view the video of him saying this?”
“Does anyone know where I can view the video of him saying this?”
Sadly there is no video of this, it was just posted on twitter.
Originally Posted by Gingerbreadman1:
“Sadly there is no video of this, it was just posted on twitter.”
“Sadly there is no video of this, it was just posted on twitter.”
Oh
Thank you
Originally Posted by HollyL:
“Does anyone know where I can view the video of him saying this?”
“Does anyone know where I can view the video of him saying this?”
It was a tweet! Will try and find!
xx
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BBUKLive Big Brother Live
1334 Aaron to Faye: I don't ever want to wake up again without you next to me #bbuklive #mustbelove
1 Nov
One thing that does concern me about tonight is that she'll be there at the eviction...and the highlights will probably show Aaron's "friend" stitching him up.
...I doubt she will have seen it yet so it won't be nice for her...especially if she goes on BBBOTS.
...I doubt she will have seen it yet so it won't be nice for her
...especially if she goes on BBBOTS.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“I don't think it's at all obvious that Aaron thinks Richard was joking.
And I don't think it would be good in any way if Aaron thought it was funny.
If that's the sort of "joke" Aaron likes, then what's to say anything Aaron has said is true rather than a sarcastic "joke"?
The same "he was joking" line was used to try to explain away Harry's comments, and no convincing reason to think Harry was just joking has emerged.
"Joking" doesn't cut it any more. The doubts cast by Richard's comments will not be dispelled so easily,”
“I don't think it's at all obvious that Aaron thinks Richard was joking.
And I don't think it would be good in any way if Aaron thought it was funny.
If that's the sort of "joke" Aaron likes, then what's to say anything Aaron has said is true rather than a sarcastic "joke"?
The same "he was joking" line was used to try to explain away Harry's comments, and no convincing reason to think Harry was just joking has emerged.
"Joking" doesn't cut it any more. The doubts cast by Richard's comments will not be dispelled so easily,”
Faye trusts Aaron 100%. That's good enough for me.
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