Oh well. I guess that's my cue to cast my votes accordingly.
As long as she's fully aware of the situation, and there's enough info on her twitter for her to be, if she's gone through it.

I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed that she knows Aaron as well as she thinks she does.

First -- and this is important -- there's a big difference between (a) having doubts and concerns and (b) reaching a definite conclusion.

I think it's completely understandable that people have doubts and concerns about Aaron, especially since Richard's comments have still not been countered by anyone who knows Aaron.

But I don't think that people in this thread are leaping to any negative conclusion about Aaron. I think that instead they want to be able to wholeheartedly support him but are worried because of an accumulation of things that have raised questions about Aaron.

Second, the "editing" argument works for things like whether Aaron's cried -- note that I said the lack of tears was "so far as we know" -- or showed he was upset in other ways.

But most of the things I mentioned can't be put down to the edit. He definitely said that if he could pick one HM to give a free pass to the final, he'd pick Alex, for example. His "friend" Richard said what he heard him say.

Re Aaron's speech, the HMs were supposed to give 5 minute speeches, and the Youtube clip is 5:39 long. There are some joins, but there isn't room for him to have said a lot about Faye, and there's no sign in the clip that Faye was as significant to him as Harry or Mark. So while the editing could have a role here, the clip still raises some concerns.

However, while I have some concerns re Aaron, tonight's highlights reminded me how much I don't want Alex, Tom, Louise or Jay to win. What I think about them isn't a matter of doubts or concerns: I definitely don't want any of them to win,

Faye has made her feelings clear. It's Aaron for me.

Faye says vote I will vote thats good enough for me.

She should be on the BOTS panel tonight, right?.

Thanks to all the guys in here voting for Aaron. I know some of you have doubt (which is fine) but its great for those who feel able to support him.

tbh I wish Faye was still there over Louise - I did try).

Didn't Aaron's mum make a statement about it on facebook this morning?

No. There was a post that someone claimed was from Aaron's mum, but there wasn't any solid evidence, and in any case all it said about Richard was ""We have not had chance to talk to Richard yet so do not know quite what happened last night."

I'm sure someone said on here that the guy who posted it is friends on FB with Aaron and his ex so it could well be a close friend!

I know you did chick! x

It was the same last week with the Aaron fans doubting Faye! Totally understandable!

I'm glad people are going with what Faye wants! Just wish more Aaron fans had gone with what he wanted last week!

It could be, sure, but it still doesn't counter what Richard said, because all it says re Richard's comments is "We have not had chance to talk to Richard yet so do not know quite what happened last night."

anton is going insane on twitter about faye.

i'd say he's just looking for attention, but it's crossed over into really creepy.

Again, we saw in the HL Jay saying that Aaron has, on several occasions, attempted to make himself look bad in order to help other housemates he believes are more deserving.

We know that the Alex comment was one of those times (and that's consistent with the fact that when Aaron rated Harry first he's now rating Alex behind Faye and also, we saw the clip where Aaron said Tom was his favourite male housemate even though he's now saying Harry.

So, in my opinion, that whole rating Harry above Faye and Alex and Tom was another one of his attempts to scupper himself.

I'm not really happy about him wanting to fall on his sword so much but, I'm beginning to think it makes the best explanation for some of his bizarre behaviour.

Who cares let him rant, it did him no good in the house it will do him no got out here.

I know it's a bit off topic but I think I need a right to reply here

First, a pro-Faye thread doesn't have to be an anti-Louise thread. She's not my favourite housemate by any means but I do quite like her.

Second, I'm not saying, definitively, that Louise was being self-sacrificing with her vote. I seem to recall her being surprised when Aaron mentioned she could have got a 5 way by putting Tom or Alex up. So she may have not realized she had that option. However, it was, in my opinion, a more dangerous thing to do than the five way so, if she had understood what she was doing, then I think it took guts and, her choice of opponent aside, commendable.

Third, those percentages make sense in terms of Louise's decision because as far as she is concerned all results are equally probable. She has no knowledge of how she, or any of the others, would fare against her. In the absence of knowledge the probability of each result has to be weighted equally.

Fourth, I'm not forgetting anything about the mechanics of a vote to save. At the end of the day, in order to be evicted in a five way four other housemates have to be more popular than she is. To be evicted in a two way, only one needs to be more popular. Therefore, there's more chance of her going in a two way. I'm actually astonished and disappointed that this isn't blatantly obvious to you

Regards

Julian

Faye doing really well on BOTS! She's a very good panellist! I bet BOTS thank their luckystars they got her for the last week!

I don't buy that for one second. Who was the Alex comment trying to help?


What for? And it had better not be to help that sour-faced fake Alex.

He'd never back her to win...

She agreed with Tom that he treated her like sh*t at times.

She just looked a bit embarrassed! Not sure she was really agreeing!

By treating like shit, he means the strops and silent treatment I think.

She nominated Faye like she always nominates Faye. Her choice of opponent can't be set aside. She picked someone she thought she had a good chance of beating. There was nothing commendable about it.


That does not make sense. If you don't know, you don't know. It's not a reason to act as if you did know that everyone had an equal chance.

Besides, she did not have no knowledge. She heard Faye booed, for example, as BMLisa pointed out.


I think that's nonsense. You can't even use the excuse you did with Louise, that " as far as she is concerned all results are equally probable", because "she has no knowledge of how she, or any of the others, would fare against her."

You do not have no knowledge. (Neither did she; but you have more.)

HMs do not have an equal chance of going and it's misleading to assume that they do.

The way you describe the 5-way vote, it could just as well be a vote to evict because you ignore the "tactical" aspects. But instead, a vote-to-save puts those who want to evict a HM (the people who'd booed Faye, for example) at a disadvantage, because it's not clear how best to vote, and the "get her out" vote will tend to split.

And a two-way is not the same thing, just with only two in it. In a two-way, the difference between vote-to-save and vote-to-evict effectively vanishes.

i think she was nodding yes when tom said he hoped aaron would treat her nice.


but anyway...

i think this is a new cover of new! mag, right?: http://yfrog.com/nvc0ptj

but the same article from before: http://www.new-magazine.co.uk/posts/...ame-says-Faye/

Tom is a backstabber! He always slags Aaron off behind his back! And tonight he embarassed Faye!

Just saw that issue advertised - picture's been cropped in that link. Looked like Faye posing in her undies.

According to Aaron (or more correctly, according to Jay's account of what Aaron said). It was to help Faye. Of course we know it didn't help Faye and I find it hard to believe why Aaron would think it would help Faye and I'm certainly not defending him. But that is what he apparently said. He rated Alex above Faye in order to help Faye survive the eviction.


Everyone knows he loves Alex and I'm pretty sure he loves Tom as well. I don't understand why he'd prefer them to win over him but, in view of Jay's comments about the Alex thing, it would be consistent with another such gesture.

Regards

Julian