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based on what? her last top twenty single, her exposure on the x factor
or her watch range with argos. i like alex, but lets be realistic.Alex has a stronger recent track record of singles sales. That's "realistic". She's gotten a ridiculous amount of attention for....a remix!?! Not even the proper single, yet her every move is being anticipated. She's obviously the bigger UK star right now, until proven otherwise. Leona had a singles chart battle with Pixie Lott, and lost badly. And Pixie is currently flopping badly with her album. Realistically, Leona is not that big a deal anymore on the UK charts. Trust me...I'm the one being "realistic". If you were to make a be att any bookie as to whom would chart higher if released on the same week, Alex would get better odds at most bookies. |
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Alex had a highly succesful first era with Overcome. Five singles released, and 3 of them #1. When was the last time Leona had a #1 single?
Alex has a stronger recent track record of singles sales. That's "realistic". She's gotten a ridiculous amount of attention for....a remix!?! Not even the proper single, yet her every move is being anticipated. She's obviously the bigger UK star right now, until proven otherwise.
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i like alex, actually i like the both of them. however, i find these arrogant posts off putting to say the least. why cant people just be happy that she`s releasing new material.
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To be honest, I don't care. For years, Leona fans have happily lorded her "superiority" over Alex. Saying she's the better singer, that Alex will never be a bigger star, will never have international success etc etc.
Now that Alex seems to be in the ascendancy, I have no problem pointing it out. |
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What's ironic is that "Boxfresh" constantly preaches about moving on from the "stan" wars yet it seems that it's him and his fellow "beasties" who are doing most of the instigating
Anyways, it's the strength of the single that will determine its chart performance not past achievements, no matter how current they are. Alexandra had a successful debut era but she is far from a big star and I doubt she will ever achieve the level of success that Leona has achieved. Alexandra fans seem to live in a constant state of delusion, in this fantasy world where Alexandra is some big star. Once again she had a successful debut era but let's not get carried away. Let's see how she does with the notoriously difficult second album particularly on an international level as "Overcome" flopped everywhere it was released outside of UK/Ireland. |
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What's ironic is that "Boxfresh" constantly preaches about moving on from the "stan" wars yet it seems that it's him and his fellow "beasties" who are doing most of the instigating
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Ummm...who was the first person to mention a "Leona chart battle with Alex"? (hint: it wasn't me)
Whomever brought that up is responsible for where the conversation has gone, not me. If someone wants to keep on bringing up Leona on Alex topics, I'll give my honest response. I've never sugarcoated my opinions. But I certainly didn't bring her into the conversation. |
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Ummm...who was the first person to mention a "Leona chart battle with Alex"? (hint: it wasn't me)
Whomever brought that up is responsible for where the conversation has gone, not me. If someone wants to keep on bringing up Leona on Alex topics, I'll give my honest response. But I certainly didn't bring her into the conversation. Jackbell simply commented, Quote:
I'm wondering if RCA are attempting a chart battle with Leona. Won't their new singles be released very close now?
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Let's get real. Syco know there no chance in hell that Leona could beat Alexandra in a singles chart battle, so it simply won't happen. So although you never brought Leona into this thread your comment above has the potential to start 'fan wars'.
Whatever date Alex moves it to, Leona will not be there the same week. |
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Actually I would say you instigated things more than anyone else.
Jackbell simply commented, To which you replied, So although you never brought Leona into this thread your comment above has the potential to start 'fan wars'. I gave a realistic assement of where both their careers happen to be at the moment. Maybe my language wasn't as "suck-uppy" as you may have wished, but my opinion would remain exactly the same, no matter how I worded it. Leona cannot be expected to beat Alex in singles chart battle, right now. Maybe in a years time it'll change, and Leona will be a hot singles artist again. If that happens, cool. And I won't cry if someone points out that Leona is likely to beat Alex in a chart battle due to recent history. Seriously, some people here are waaaay too sensitive. |
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Actually I would say you instigated things more than anyone else.
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A "realistic assesment" in your opinion of course? I'm not sure why you are so confident that Leona couldn't beat Alexandra in a singles chart battle when it's all about the strength of the single itself not past achievements
![]() What makes Alexandra such a big star currently? her last Top 20 single? her Argos watch line? something else? No one is too sensitive you just continue to be a master manipulator. It's always someone else that isn't feeling good, or forgot to "take their pills" or is too sensitive, it has never anything to do with you
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Are you kidding me?
I gave a realistic assement of where both their careers happen to be at the moment. Maybe my language wasn't as "suck-uppy" as you may have wished, but my opinion would remain exactly the same, no matter how I worded it. Leona cannot be expected to beat Alex in singles chart battle, right now. Maybe in a years time it'll change, and Leona will be a hot singles artist again. If that happens, cool. And I won't cry if someone points out that Leona is likely to beat Alex in a chart battle due to recent history. Seriously, some people here are waaaay too sensitive. ![]() You can't judge who would do better in a chart battle until you've heard both the songs surely? At the end of the day, both names are big (I do think Leona is more well-known though) but it'd come down to the song, radio airplay, video airplay etc. I'm a fan of both Leona and Alexandra btw. |
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Are you kidding me?
I gave a realistic assement of where both their careers happen to be at the moment. Maybe my language wasn't as "suck-uppy" as you may have wished, but my opinion would remain exactly the same, no matter how I worded it. Leona cannot be expected to beat Alex in singles chart battle, right now. Maybe in a years time it'll change, and Leona will be a hot singles artist again. If that happens, cool. And I won't cry if someone points out that Leona is likely to beat Alex in a chart battle due to recent history. Seriously, some people here are waaaay too sensitive. Gpk commented that he thought it wasnt likely seeing as they were both Sony acts, he never brought into it who was more successful, as it wasnt needed to be said. So you did instigate the 'fan wars' by proclaiming that Leona had no chance, which is a stupid comment to make anyway without hearing her lead single. |
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No one was talking about who would beat who though. Jackbell suggested perhaps RCA were pitting them against each other, to which you basically replied Leona wouldnt be able to compete with Alex, which had nothing to do with the comment really.
Gpk commented that he thought it wasnt likely seeing as they were both Sony acts, he never brought into it who was more successful, as it wasnt needed to be said. So you did instigate the 'fan wars' by proclaiming that Leona had no chance, which is a stupid comment to make anyway without hearing her lead single. So yeah, what I said was needed to be said. Syco and RCA are seperate labels and competitors. Both being under the Sony umbrella is irrelevant. Nothing I said was out of bounds. I'm not a suck up, but I try not to go overboard either. My assement was realistic. By all means you can disagree with it, but this nonsense about starting "stan wars" is tedious, childish and absolutely missing the point. If you want to still pretend it's 2008, and Leona is a global superstar who could outchart anyone without breaking a sweat, I direct you to the Leona Lewis Appreciation Thread. |
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Being both Sony acts is absolutely irrelevant. Sony is a huge organsation, and labels are autonmous. They do not co-ordinate releases with each other, and compete with each other.
So yeah, what I said was needed to be said. Syco and RCA are seperate labels and competitors. Both being under the Sony umbrella is irrelevant. Nothing I said was out of bounds. I'm not a suck up, but I try not to go overboard either. My assement was realistic. By all means you can disagree with it, but this nonsense about starting "stan wars" is tedious, childish and absolutely missing the point. If you want to still pretend it's 2008, and Leona is a global superstar who could outchart anyone without breaking a sweat, I direct you to the Leona Lewis Appreciation Thread. And I am realistic and I am well aware that Leona's career has took a considerable nose dive since Spirit, but to pretend Alex is some huge star that Leona is incapable of beating is rediculous, it all depends on the songs and we havent heard Leona's yet. |
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Gpk commented that he thought it wasnt likely seeing as they were both Sony acts, he never brought into it who was more successful, as it wasnt needed to be said. So you did instigate the 'fan wars' by proclaiming that Leona had no chance, which is a stupid comment to make anyway without hearing her lead single.
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Explain why that comment needed to be said? And also how did that answer Jackbell's question?
And I am realistic and I am well aware that Leona's career has took a considerable nose dive since Spirit, but to pretend Alex is some huge star that Leona is incapable of beating is rediculous, it all depends on the songs and we havent heard Leona's yet. Commercial radio hammer Alexandra like nobody's buisness, and they seem really eager to hammer new material from her. Radio 1 seem to be back on board, judging by their willingness to premiere the Elephant remix. Leona has had relatively weak radio support in her last few releases. It's now a big issue for her. You say you are realistic. If that's the case, you should know which artist is most likely to get the most radio support, even before hearing the songs. |
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They didn't hammer The Silence, did they? that invalidates your entire argument, boxfresh. It's obviously down to the song, if you give radio what they want they will hammer it.
Of course just because radio hammers the song to death doesn't mean the album era will be a success. "All About Tonight" is still top 10 on airplay yet Pixie's album has performed poorly. |
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But in what way is start without you a bad song? The melody is solid, it gets people dancing, the lyrics are ok. Did radio support make it hit number one? I do remember it climbing to number one on itunes during its release week, It didn't debut there on sunday/monday. The silence was really underplayed compared to all her other singles, shame as it was her best.
Radios can be picky though. |
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They didn't hammer The Silence, did they? that invalidates your entire argument, boxfresh. It's obviously down to the song, if you give radio what they want they will hammer it.
Of course just because radio hammers the song to death doesn't mean the album era will be a success. "All About Tonight" is still top 10 on airplay yet Pixie's album has performed poorly. |
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i like alex, actually i like the both of them. however, i find these arrogant posts off putting to say the least. why cant people just be happy that she`s releasing new material.
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I'm a huge Leona Lewis fan, and not an Alexandra Burke fan but seriously, what has Leona got to do with this?
There's every chance Alexandra Burke would beat Leona in a chart battle, there's every chance Leona would beat Alexandra. Depends on the artists songs. But that's not what this thread is about. It's about Alexandra's new single.. |
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Leona and Alex are always going to be pitched against each other though given their X Factor backgrounds. I hope both enjoy big success this year
The UK is lucky to have two such talented artists.
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I couldn't agree more - I try not to rise to the bait, and this is the reason why I don't post much in the Alex appreciation thread.
I like both of them but I find it so annoying when certain Leona fans come into Alex threads and try to discredit her like they have tried to do in this thread. :sleep: |
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What bait? So it's ok for some fans to belittle Alex and say that she'll never be as good as Leona, but it's not ok for fans to defend Alex?
I like both of them but I find it so annoying when certain Leona fans come into Alex threads and try to discredit her like they have tried to do in this thread. :sleep: Why can't we just enjoy the music from both artists. |
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or her watch range with argos.
i like alex, but lets be realistic.


The UK is lucky to have two such talented artists.