[Dancc]

Originally Posted by Neda_Turk

No sooner does one Professional DS post corrector leave and we get another one whose soul purpose for being seems to be to correct and contradict everyone's post who doesn't agree with Channel 5 PLC.

Hopefully Desmond is paying the well.

That old chestnut.

It's a forum where people express their opinions. It would be the dullest forum on the planet if we all agreed on everything.

[Irishdave]

I think normal BB is going to be in serious ratings trouble within a month..I cannot believe the stupidity of Channel 5 that they wont even offer a few hours of live feed to fans...especially with the fantastic ratings the feed got for CBB....it actually beggars belief!!

How anyone related to that decision can call themselves professionals is beyond me...any fool can tell how precious,necessary and wanted the live feed is.

[Dancc]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Connors

You are cherry picking the parts you think are good (what you consider to be the beat parts anyway) whilst ignoring the fundamental basics that make up BB.

No. You said they behave in a cheap manner and so I gave examples of areas where they have spent money.

I consider most of BB to be good right now, and generally very respectful of BB's core values. The only negatives for me are: Brian, negative crowds on eviction nights and maybe lack of more live streaming on C5/5*. Everything else I like.

[ChipChomper]

Originally Posted by Irishdave

I think normal BB is going to be in serious ratings trouble within a month..I cannot believe the stupidity of Channel 5 that they wont even offer a few hours of live feed to fans...especially with the fantastic ratings the feed got for CBB....it actually beggars belief!!

How anyone related to that decision can call themselves professionals is beyond me...any fool can tell how precious,necessary and wanted the live feed is.

yes,and far from clapping hands with Glee its going to prove very bad news for the future of Normal Bigbrother.

Desmonds got a proven track record of axing shows without a 2nd thought.the only good thing it finally got Josie Gibson off TV.

[Jimmy Connors]

Originally Posted by Dancc

No. You said they behave in a cheap manner and so I gave examples of areas where they have spent money.

I consider most of BB to be good right now, and generally very respectful of BB's core values. The only negatives for me are: Brian, negative crowds on eviction nights and maybe lack of more live streaming on C5/5*. Everything else I like.

I stand by what I said. They are doing it on the cheap. Very Arthur Daley. I am surprised C5 are not re-running Minder.

The things you listed (where they spend money) are things that ANY broadcaster would have to spend. Nothing special in what C5 have done there. They have cut corners left, right and centre.

I am flabbergasted how you always find an excuse or an answer for every little thing C5 does. Deep down I think you must know they are a third rate broadcaster, but for some unknown reason you always defend them (blindly IMO)

[Jimmy Connors]

Originally Posted by ChipChomper

thats why trying to have a decent debate about the subject is almost impossible,

Clear pointers that prove certain aspects never get mentioned like the 1 hour post eviction feed before it started many thought it would flop when it didnt never mentioned again.
then its back to C4's time trying to make a point about Bigbrother on Channel 5 now.

its basically become a few people around the net saying its not needed for whatever reason.Yet this thread.FB.Twitter and fans reaction even TV presenters asking about it.

I am of the opinion that you are correct CC.

[happybbfan]

Originally Posted by Irishdave

I think normal BB is going to be in serious ratings trouble within a month..I cannot believe the stupidity of Channel 5 that they wont even offer a few hours of live feed to fans...especially with the fantastic ratings the feed got for CBB....it actually beggars belief!!

How anyone related to that decision can call themselves professionals is beyond me...any fool can tell how precious,necessary and wanted the live feed is.

except the old fool Jeff Ford it seems

[Neda_Turk]

Originally Posted by Dancc

That old chestnut.

It's a forum where people express their opinions. It would be the dullest forum on the planet if we all agreed on everything.

There are miles of difference between stating an opinion and some who sit on the same thread systematically negating every post they can in favour of Channel 5.

Yet they never ever answer questions about Channel 5's disgusting behaviour towards viewers and the mass banning on their facebook page and their pretending no one posted one comment about the live feed.

The fact that they avoid answering those sorts of posts at all costs shows that they are not here to state an opinion but are here just to negate and damage limit for Channel 5. They can't answer for Channel 5's disgusting treatment of viewer so they avoid those posts altogether.

[Damien.]

Just been talking to someone from Endemol who 'doesn't know' if there will be Live Feed for the first few weeks of BB. I'm taking that as 'no' tbh.

[happybbfan]

Originally Posted by Damien.

Just been talking to someone from Endemol who 'doesn't know' if there will be Live Feed for the first few weeks of BB. I'm taking that as 'no' tbh.

I guess that means less live feed/shows/events than many viewers thought they would get/
Not even 45 minutes a week now.

[Dancc]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Connors

The things you listed (where they spend money) are things that ANY broadcaster would have to spend. Nothing special in what C5 have done there. They have cut corners left, right and centre.

Simply untrue. The marketing spend has dwarfed C4's efforts for every single series aired on C5 so far except for BB12. I guess you could argue it's more important on a new channel but spots on ITV1 don't come cheap. Would any broadcaster do it? The evidence isn't there.

The production values from a technical point-of-view have been excellent since it came to C5. So it's very difficult to fathom how one could describe it as cheap? Must be strawclutching Friday.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Connors

I am flabbergasted how you always find an excuse or an answer for every little thing C5 does. Deep down I think you must know they are a third rate broadcaster, but for some unknown reason you always defend them (blindly IMO)

Don't presume to know how or what I'm feeling, especially when you're as wide of the mark as you are here. To be honest there's not been much to defend, it's just the same old tired arguments. Worse things could have happened, like the bullying and racism rows that made international news and plagued the show during its tenure on C4. The worst crime C5 has committed is not giving people more of the show.

Originally Posted by Neda_Turk

There are miles of difference between stating an opinion and some who sit on the same thread systematically negating every post they can in favour of Channel 5.

Yet they never ever answer questions about Channel 5's disgusting behaviour towards viewers and the mass banning on their facebook page and their pretending no one posted one comment about the live feed.

The fact that they avoid answering those sorts of posts at all costs shows that they are not here to state an opinion but are here just to negate and damage limit for Channel 5. They can't answer for Channel 5's disgusting treatment of viewer so they avoid those posts altogether.

I've already spoken at length with you in the past on the Facebook issue. I won't do so again.

[godlives]

reading the same old argumentative posters gets me down on this thread perhaps some folk think there's going to be a dirty thirty again and are trying to post as much as they can to be in the gang

[godlives]

ok here's something more constructive anyone who feels strongly about the livefeed should put your feelings down on a letter and address to Jeff ford at the following address

http://about.channel5.com/customer-s...ontact-details


lets take it to the top man its worth a try and a good way of venting all your points down and putting it to him. you may not get a reply but you will feel better for doing it. Livefeeders are fans too and our voices need to be heard, and who knows maybe just maybe someone will listen.

[ChipChomper]

Originally Posted by godlives

ok here's something more constructive anyone who feels strongly about the livefeed should put your feelings down on a letter and address to Jeff ford at the following address

http://about.channel5.com/customer-s...ontact-details


lets take it to the top man its worth a try and a good way of venting all your points down and putting it to him. you may not get a reply but you will feel better for doing it. Livefeeders are fans too and our voices need to be heard, and who knows maybe just maybe someone will listen.

Yes.
I wont put Customer services just the mail address with Jeff ford on Top..CS dont seem very with it do they..

[Damien.]

Oathy has asked on Twitter for people to write a letter to Jeff Ford

[Dancc]

He's also on Twitter you know. But his profile is private and he never tweets so I dunno if he even looks at it.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Dancc

He's also on Twitter you know, @JeffFordC5. But his profile is private and he never tweets so I dunno if he even looks at it.

He's going to love you for telling people that. Still, I bet anything emailed to him relating to live feed is now filtered into the spam folder. He presumably had this last year too.

[Jimmy Connors]

Originally Posted by Dancc

Simply untrue. The marketing spend has dwarfed C4's efforts for every single series aired on C5 so far except for BB12. I guess you could argue it's more important on a new channel but spots on ITV1 don't come cheap. Would any broadcaster do it? The evidence isn't there.

The production values from a technical point-of-view have been excellent since it came to C5. So it's very difficult to fathom how one could describe it as cheap? Must be strawclutching Friday.


Don't presume to know how or what I'm feeling, especially when you're as wide of the mark as you are here. To be honest there's not been much to defend, it's just the same old tired arguments. Worse things could have happened, like the bullying and racism rows that made international news and plagued the show during its tenure on C4. The worst crime C5 has committed is not giving people more of the show.

Not sure why you are dragging C4 into this. I am talking about the current broadcaster. If you want to talk about C4 that's fine with me. C4 were infinitely more professional, and listened to the viewers. Unlike your C5.

[livefeed24/7now]

Originally Posted by Dancc

He's also on Twitter you know, @JeffFordC5. But his profile is private and he never tweets so I dunno if he even looks at it.

in the months before channel 5 confirmed the purchase of big brother ,it was possible to have a reasonable exchange of views with people high up in the company

that's no longer the case
a total lockdown at channel 5 these days

[Dancc]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Connors

Not sure why you are dragging C4 into this. I am talking about the current broadcaster. If you want to talk about C4 that's fine with me. C4 were infinitely more professional, and listened to the viewers. Unlike your C5.

You said any channel would have behaved how C5 did with regard to spend in the various areas I outlined, so I referred back to the previous broadcaster to prove that was NOT the case.

C4 listened to the viewers? Hmm, it's debatable. Personally I think live feed was a token gesture for the last series and had it not been the last series I don't think it would have been returned. Professional? Their handling of the various controversies that hit the show wasn't. Scheduling an adult show at 8pm wasn't, etc etc.

Originally Posted by livefeed24/7now

in the months before channel 5 confirmed the purchase of big brother ,it was possible to have a reasonable exchange of views with people high up in the company

that's no longer the case
a total lockdown at channel 5 these days

I'm guessing they were flooded with e-mails and had to act accordingly. Twitter might be a better place to look but not many of the senior people are on there.

[godlives]

Originally Posted by Fudd

He's going to love you for telling people that. Still, I bet anything emailed to him relating to live feed is now filtered into the spam folder. He presumably had this last year too.

my points to mr ford are going to take alot more than 140 characters

Originally Posted by livefeed24/7now

in the months before channel 5 confirmed the purchase of big brother ,it was possible to have a reasonable exchange of views with people high up in the company

that's no longer the case
a total lockdown at channel 5 these days

very true

[livefeed24/7now]

Originally Posted by Dancc

You said any channel would have behaved how C5 did with regard to spend in the various areas I outlined, so I referred back to the previous broadcaster to prove that was NOT the case.

C4 listened to the viewers? Hmm, it's debatable. Personally I think live feed was a token gesture for the last series and had it not been the last series I don't think it would have been returned.


I'm guessing they were flooded with e-mails and had to act accordingly. Twitter might be a better place to look but not many of the senior people are on there.

i've emailed jeff ford a few times in the past with no reply
his predecessor was more accommodating
i've no wish to contact them anymore as the 'die has been cast'

[Jimmy Connors]

Originally Posted by Dancc

You said any channel would have behaved how C5 did with regard to spend in the various areas I outlined, so I referred back to the previous broadcaster to prove that was NOT the case.

You failed to prove your point.

C4 listened to the viewers? Hmm, it's debatable. Personally I think live feed was a token gesture for the last series and had it not been the last series I don't think it would have been returned. Professional? Their handling of the various controversies that hit the show wasn't. Scheduling an adult show at 8pm wasn't, etc etc.

No, Dan, C4 never treated the show the way C5 are. We never went without some kind of LF until C5 took over. Even overnighters on E4 was better than nothing. Were these ever dropped?

[ChipChomper]

Originally Posted by livefeed24/7now

i've emailed jeff ford a few times in the past with no reply
his predecessor was more accommodating
i've no wish to contact them anymore as the 'die has been cast'

One thing I do hope those people from the Daily star would stop making matters worse.I find it terrible they seem to tweet little hints of some hope knowing full well they dont have a clue the true course of events.

you would have thought someone in Desmonds Empire would have twigged its only making matter worse.they have been told on Facebook enough about it.

[Dancc]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Connors

No, Dan, C4 never treated the show the way C5 are. We never went without some kind of LF until C5 took over. Even overnighters on E4 was better than nothing. Were these ever dropped?

No, but the hours devoted to it were cut to such an extent that by the end you were mostly left with sleeping housemates.