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Old 10-09-2011, 20:26
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i think it will change back with in 1-2 years
should have made it a separate brand a bit like marvels ulitamate line
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Old 10-09-2011, 21:34
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I'm not sure to be honest. DC seem quite adamant that it's a permanent thing, but then we heard the same sorts of noises from Marvel with Heroes Reborn after Onslaught.
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:06
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I'm hoping it flops and they restore the previous continuity. I have almost no interest in these new versions of the characters I've been following for most of my life.
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Old 11-09-2011, 22:54
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If there are problems it should be fixed in continuity a reboot is lazy and disenfranchises the older readers. The Spider-man debacle has done nothing to improve the comic line.
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Old 12-09-2011, 00:34
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Trouble is when they do this, they want you to like the new versions, and the longer it goes on the more you will, until they pull the rug out from beneath you and switch it back.

It's one thing if they stick to their guns, but I'm very doubtful that they will.
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Old 12-09-2011, 22:39
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Seems that it's "exceeding expectations" so far, but the #2s are the true test.
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Old 13-09-2011, 17:17
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No.

Many of those books were heading for cancellation anyway with under 25,000 sales a month and falling.
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Old 14-09-2011, 13:38
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I'm hoping that it'll be a resounding success! I'm extremely interested and excited by the relaunch, and this is the first time in about 15 years that I can say this about DC.

I've always found DC continuity to be incredibly impenetrable and they should have drawn a line under it years ago, instead of trying to explain it all away with series after series of convoluted events that just make matters worse.

I've always preferred the Marvel way of assuming that readers are intelligent enough to realise that all the stuff that happened to Spidey in the 1960s still happened, but they don't try to explain away why Spidey isn't over 70 now...

Not sure whether it'll attract the mythical new readers, but it's certainly attracted me back to DC. Sure, not all the titles will stick, but I never expected that they would.
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Old 15-09-2011, 08:53
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I'm hoping that it'll be a resounding success! I'm extremely interested and excited by the relaunch, and this is the first time in about 15 years that I can say this about DC.

I've always found DC continuity to be incredibly impenetrable and they should have drawn a line under it years ago, instead of trying to explain it all away with series after series of convoluted events that just make matters worse.
I suspect a lot of longtime readers disagree.

I've always preferred the Marvel way of assuming that readers are intelligent enough to realise that all the stuff that happened to Spidey in the 1960s still happened, but they don't try to explain away why Spidey isn't over 70 now...
But DC have always used exactly the same sliding timescale method! The only characters whose ages are explained away are those active in the Golden Age, and Marvel also provide explanations for their Golden Age characters staying youthful!
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Old 15-09-2011, 11:36
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... and Marvel also provide explanations for their Golden Age characters staying youthful!
...or not... Or why they got old and then appeared youthful again a bit later ( I'm thinking at least one of the characters featured in The Twelve, there...) I love comics, lol!
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Old 29-09-2011, 23:27
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God I hope it flops

At present my DC is probably just going to be JL dark and Wonder Woman

If I wanted comics that have no relationship to the characters defined in the last fourty years, Id get Dark Horse or more Vertigo

In particular Green Arrow is horrible, why not just reprint the 60's GA?
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:04
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Some lines will succeed and others will fail but I don't think they'll go back. I suspect there are many interested film producers who'd like to have a go at a reimagined super hero story.
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Old 10-01-2012, 23:39
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Looks like some of the weaker titles are getting the chop. 52 lines always seemed a bit ambitious. The Comic Book Resources poll done just before the relaunch showed that some comics weren't even worth launching as there was so little interest. If the hardcore fans can't get excited then there's no hope for the casual readers.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/comics/n...ellations.html
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Old 12-01-2012, 14:47
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Blackhawks, Hawk and Dove, Men of War, Mister Terrific, O.M.A.C. and Static Shock will conclude with their eighth issues in April. DC will release six new titles in May - http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2012/01...cs-the-new-52/
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Old 13-01-2012, 12:56
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Thanks. Good to know. The only one of those I've read is Mr Terrific but I can't say that I'll miss it.
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Old 13-01-2012, 14:30
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"DIAL H – Writer: China Miéville. Artist: Mateus Santoluoco. The first ongoing series from acclaimed novelist China Miéville, this is a bold new take on a cult classic concept about the psychological effects on an everyman who accidentally gains powers to become a hero."

Wow. Now that's got my interest up.

Oh, to put a more positive spin on this, are there any of the new DC comics we're enjoying?

I only started reading DC with the New 52 - I last read comics regularly about twenty years ago - because it was an opportunity to jump in without having to wade through impenetrable back-stories.

I haven't really sampled much but I've read and enjoyed Detective Comics, Batgirl, Suicide Squad, All Star Westerns and Action Comics, and read and not been so impressed with Batwing and Swamp Thing.

There aren't half a lot of Bat-titles.
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Old 13-01-2012, 20:30
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I'm liking Batwoman a lot. The artwork is stunning. The Legion titles have got my attention (except for Legion Lost). Supergirl has potential, and Justice League Dark is good too.
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Old 13-01-2012, 20:58
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Give it a couple of years and there will be another Crisis
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Old 14-01-2012, 03:13
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I'm fifty four years old and have been enjoying a steady diet of Marvel *and* DC since the 1960's.

I don't know whether the New Fifty Two will flop--but I hope it doesn't. The old continuity was getting too stodgy and convoluted to enjoy. The rebooted DC titles look fresh, and the ones I've read are enjoyable. I particularly like the new take on Superman; it's past time they got rid of the red posing trunks and made Supes a little more like a "strange visitor from another planet." I like the new armored costumes and the fact that the stories end in cliffhangers. I love the new Justice League. So do a lot of other people judging from the sales.

So enough nostalgia already. We're never too old for something new.

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Old 01-02-2012, 22:30
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I can understand the frustration that what people have read till now doesn't count anymore ("So, what, have I wasted my time and money?!!") as I felt that way in mid 1980s following the original Crisis. But I'm happy with the re-boot as I can get on board without having to worry about the Crisis-era and its continuity anymore.

But the question is, has it done its main job: a clean slate (that bit, yes) for new readers?
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Old 03-02-2012, 15:25
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The New 52 is arguably already a flop. Certainly in monetary terms. DC spent an obscene amount of money for a small lead in the sales that lasted just a few months. With the exception of a few flagship titles, it's more or less back to normal for DC's sales, and it's not like they were even that impressive. Several other less publicized events from Marvel had done as well or better than most of the New 52 titles.

Also, I don't really see the reboot itself being the selling point. It's obviously only the books by "superstar" creative teams like Johns, Morrison, Lee, etc, that are still holding on to strong sales, but their past titles have done just as well.
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Old 07-02-2012, 17:38
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The New 52 is arguably already a flop. Certainly in monetary terms. .
I think for the "big" titles its done well enough, but for the others its not been a success. I know they cancelled a few recently, and strongly suspect that if it wouldnt send out a message of complete failure, they woudl have cancelled more.

I buy a few dc titles, but all of them are ones I would bought before the relaunch, that said I do think Supergirl and JLA are better now than before, but the rest (Detective, Batman) are just the same.
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Old 07-02-2012, 20:39
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Definatley not a flop, readership as a whole is up 30% on last year thanks to the 52. Plus all of the top 10 were DC books, very much a success, their actually competing with Marvel now.
Their also outselling Marvel in terms of graphic novels and trade paperbacks.

I'm a Marvel fan but this is hard to deny.
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Old 07-02-2012, 22:02
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Definatley not a flop, readership as a whole is up 30% on last year thanks to the 52..
Thanks to abysmal last year and a massive interest in the first few New 52 issues. Although a few titles are obviously doing well, from a monetary perspective, it has to be seen as a flop. DC spent an unholy amount of money promoting the reboot. They even had cinema and TV ads on a scale that was more or less unprecedented for comic books, and all they got was a slim lead for a couple of months where Marvel weren't really trying for much.

The only titles that are hanging in there are the ones with "superstar" creators like Morrison, Lee, Johns, etc, but none of those titles are performing significantly better than previous titles from these people, so DC could have just tightened up their creative teams to begin with and saved themselves millions of dollars in marketing.
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Old 08-02-2012, 03:50
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Thanks to abysmal last year and a massive interest in the first few New 52 issues. Although a few titles are obviously doing well, from a monetary perspective, it has to be seen as a flop. DC spent an unholy amount of money promoting the reboot. They even had cinema and TV ads on a scale that was more or less unprecedented for comic books, and all they got was a slim lead for a couple of months where Marvel weren't really trying for much.

The only titles that are hanging in there are the ones with "superstar" creators like Morrison, Lee, Johns, etc, but none of those titles are performing significantly better than previous titles from these people, so DC could have just tightened up their creative teams to begin with and saved themselves millions of dollars in marketing.
Marvel had multiple reboots and relaunches during that time including Wolverine and the X-men and Uncanny X-Men, currently their two biggest sellers, many gimmicks and promotions and also not to mention the many mini events , so they were very much trying.

Lots of the middle level books also got boosts such as teen titans, a boost that their still on. Even books that simply wouldn't have survived before the reboot like Swamp thing and Animal are now selling way more then they would've and are now critical darlings. One of them not written by an A list creator like Grant Morrison but Jeff Lemiere.

DC, Marvel, comic book stores/retailers, top online comic websites all agree (articles available on the web) that it's a resounding sucess. But we agree to disagree i guess,
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