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Holly's disparaging remarks about British People
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franglemand
11-09-2011
So, just to clairfy, eight years ago Holly said that she thought Londoners said a lot of bitter things and that something bad might happen as a result of this. I'll be honest first and say I'm not entirely sure how this was even considered news eight years ago.

However, because I'm a language geek and because of some of the comments that have been made above, I'm going to put something out there for consideration. "Think something might" and "hope something will" mean two different things. The first is a neutral statement, a suggestion of a possible future that you have no opinion on. The second suggests that this is something to be wished for, something that you want to happen. For example, I might say "I think it will rain this week." That does not mean that I hope it will rain, it just means that I've seen the weather forecast/ the clouds gathering/ have taken into account the weather at this time of year and believe that rain is likely to appear in London at some point in the coming week. If, on the other hand, I say "I hope it will rain this week", it means that I want there to be rain this week but do not necessarily believe that this will happen.

Holly, in this article, did not say that she hoped something bad would happen, she said that she thought it might. As the article does not expand on her reasoning here, we have no way of knowing why she said this or what she thought might happen. What we do know if that she is at no point quoted as saying that she wanted something bad to happen. So I'm not quite sure how we can speculate on what she wanted to happen, being as this is not even mentioned in the article (unless you count the implication that she maybe wanted Londoners to say bitter things less often).

Staying on a similar train of thought, as the article says so little beyond the headline, we also do not know what context these remarks were made in. We don't know what she was asked, we don't know what kind of day she had had, who she had been talking to, where she was staying in London, what her trip had been like or what else she might have said in the course of this interview. The first time I lived in France, I came to believe firmly that if I wanted to walk home after a night out, I had to have a guy with me because even when we were a group of five girls, we got harassed. The second time I lived in a completely different area and was able to walk back on my own at 3am. Obviously, I changed my mind in between times because the circumstances had changed.

This brings me to my third point, which is that these comments were made eight years ago. Maybe she did mean these comments exactly as they sounded at the time. Maybe she has since changed her mind.

Final point: sometimes people say stupid things. Sometimes they exaggerate for effect, or say things that they were half thinking but know they shouldn't have said by the time they get home. Twenty year olds who talk to the tabloid press on a regular basis are particularly prone to "foot in mouth syndrome." It happens. This is far from the worst thing that a Strictly contestant has ever said and if Holly has now signed up to SCD, presumably she now likes Britain enough to try to revive her career here (rather than in America, Australia or wherever), whatever she may have thought in the past.
allgrownup
11-09-2011
*applauds fran*

Thread finished
Kmc1978
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by Del Monte:
“Oh alright, come on. I don't really believe she's a terrorist.

Just asking, what does one wish on a nation collectively? Maybe she just wanted us all to bump into a lamp post, or tread in dog poo, who knows.”

You mean SHE'S the reason I stepped in dog poo yesterday?... BURN THE WITCH
Kmc1978
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“*applauds fran*

Thread finished”

Oops sorry
franglemand
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“You mean SHE'S the reason I stepped in dog poo yesterday?... BURN THE WITCH”

Your response is a lot funnier than mine though!
herejohno
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by peeve:
“Bingo! I claim my prize because I had 'Evil Holly will try to seduce Artem despite him being in a relationship and her already having a billionaire boyfriend' .”

These days most not all think with they're lower regions rather than they're brains, when Bradangelina was born he was married to Jennifer Aniston and Flavia was dating Vince Simnone for 10 years and she ran off with that fella of the hustle. Im just saying, I think Holly might try and insinuate chemistry for votes, Artem is taken with Kara and she seems nice
Eugenie
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by peeve:
“Bingo! I claim my prize because I had 'Evil Holly will try to seduce Artem despite him being in a relationship and her already having a billionaire boyfriend' .”

Love it.

Holly seems to be doomed because she is following such a popular act but I think she has a little bit more spark than Kara.
BuddyBontheNet
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by kimmyangel:
“Erm... Read the thread...”

Erm I have, but some posters don't seem to realise the article has only been resurrected by the OP and not by the press this weekend (e.g. post #38).
allgrownup
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by Eugenie:
“Love it.

Holly seems to be doomed because she is following such a popular act but I think she has a little bit more spark than Kara.”

Brave girl. Watch out for the pitchfork brigade.
sofakat
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by herejohno:
“These days most not all think with they're lower regions rather than they're brains, when Bradangelina was born he was married to Jennifer Aniston and Flavia was dating Vince Simnone for 10 years and she ran off with that fella of the hustle. Im just saying, I think Holly might try and insinuate chemistry for votes, Artem is taken with Kara and she seems nice”

What a dim view you have of people. Oh, and by the way, part of competitive or performance dancing is to suggest chemistry and emotion - even if it's not real - because that is part of the deal!

I think Artem and Kara are fairly safe and to suggest otherwise is just silly. Or plain vindictive
Eugenie
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“Brave girl. Watch out for the pitchfork brigade. ”

Yes, I know Kara is very loved on here and I can understand why, she seemed like a really ncie girl and definitely deserved to win.

But I did not think she had that much to her when interviewed apart from the usual tired old "us girls and our moods" type of comments and her voice was very off putting for me. Same goes for Artem really for me.

Holly seems a littel braver and wittier! Not that this should be about a comparison between the two.

Holly has been thrown a real curve ball being paired with one half of last year's darling couple.
herejohno
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“What a dim view you have of people. Oh, and by the way, part of competitive or performance dancing is to suggest chemistry and emotion - even if it's not real - because that is part of the deal!

I think Artem and Kara are fairly safe and to suggest otherwise is just silly. Or plain vindictive ”

Bib I have taken that personally so I will go , if you miss understood my post then fair enough, bye.
herejohno
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by Eugenie:
“Yes, I know Kara is very loved on here and I can understand why, she seemed like a really ncie girl and definitely deserved to win.

But I did not think she had that much to her when interviewed apart from the usual tired old "us girls and our moods" type of comments and her voice was very off putting for me. Same goes for Artem really for me.

Holly seems a littel braver and wittier! Not that this should be about a comparison between the two.

Holly has been thrown a real curve ball being paired with one half of last year's darling couple.”


Nail and head they knew it would cause a storm and thats why the production did it. Headlines and more press usually the brilliant dancers have people who arent that good yet he has had two good one's in a row.
herejohno
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“Brave girl. Watch out for the pitchfork brigade. ”


Bloody hell I thought bb forum was bad this is worse, sequins at dawn, people like to presume you nasty and cruel when they dont like what your saying. Life is biatch and then you die, just saying.
Monaogg
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by Camino:
“we have unique wildlife too ”

Our spiders are actually more venomous but have a crap delivery system
herejohno
11-09-2011
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Our spiders are actually more venomous but have a crap delivery system ”

Black widows are deadly after they have had they're way with the male. Thats what Kara would do if Holly tried anything
Jelite
11-09-2011
Going by the showbiz, big brother and xfactor forums shes probably right.
lundavra
12-09-2011
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“An article from the NOTW from 8 years ago when the girl was just out of her teens - that's scraping the bottom of the barrel for sure.”

News of the World!

A lot of celebrity interviews in the tabloids are embellished by the reporters or even completely fabricated.
lundavra
12-09-2011
Originally Posted by kimmyangel:
“We all know words can be taken out of context and holly has a very dry sense of humour , if it came from the notw then I would take the quote with a small islands worth of salt.”

And Australians love knocking the Poms but usually with no malice. I would need to hear her exact words and the context before condemning her. Something said as a joke can be twisted right around by a reporter.
lundavra
12-09-2011
Originally Posted by Stewie_C:
“A few harsh words as a teenager - rather easier to forgive than getting drunk and beating a black woman's face to pulp (Cheryl Tweedy).”

I think there is a slight tabloid style exaggeration there. She was found innocent of the racial charge and I doubt whether she beat the woman's face to a pulp with a single blow, the contemporary news report refer to a swollen eye.
essexboyash
12-09-2011
i think the fact shes second fave with the bookies at the moment suggests people arent too bothered about it
BuddyBontheNet
12-09-2011
Does anyone think the photo in the article looks like somebody else?
Kmc1978
12-09-2011
Originally Posted by herejohno:
“Black widows are deadly after they have had they're way with the male. Thats what Kara would do if Holly tried anything”

http://tv.uk.msn.com/news/holly-kara...em-worries-307
Heavenly
12-09-2011
I like Holly. She is good to follow on Twitter, amusing.
herejohno
12-09-2011
The thought of the day, if the public like her they will vote for her if they dont they wont, she may be bookies second favourite but is she a good ballroom dancer.
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