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Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Not so. The third Doctor was physically older then the second. The sixth Doctor was physically eight years older than the fifth (going by the actors ages). And the seventh was the same age as the sixth.”
“Not so. The third Doctor was physically older then the second. The sixth Doctor was physically eight years older than the fifth (going by the actors ages). And the seventh was the same age as the sixth.”
Again, for me its interpretation. I'll give you the third over the second (I nearly mentioned that as an exeption in that post too!) I suppose its how I viewed it as a child and it just stuck. CB may have been older that PD but for me, six was younger than five in my minds eye. I'd pretty much stopped watching it after seven anyway, but 8 was younger than 7, 9 was younger than 8 (albeit marginally) and so on!
However, the Master is clearly getting younger with each regeneration Delagado older than Ainley, who's incarnation would have been older at the point he would have regenerated into Jacobi form (which we are led to believe was many years before) and now Simm. I don't count the Peter Pratt and Geoffery Beevers versions as they were malformed versions.
Again, I'm not arguing the toss, its just my take on it!
Originally Posted by DoctorQui:
“Again, for me its interpretation. I'll give you the third over the second (I nearly mentioned that as an exeption in that post too!) I suppose its how I viewed it as a child and it just stuck. CB may have been older that PD but for me, six was younger than five in my minds eye. I'd pretty much stopped watching it after seven anyway, but 8 was younger than 7, 9 was younger than 8 (albeit marginally) and so on!”
“Again, for me its interpretation. I'll give you the third over the second (I nearly mentioned that as an exeption in that post too!) I suppose its how I viewed it as a child and it just stuck. CB may have been older that PD but for me, six was younger than five in my minds eye. I'd pretty much stopped watching it after seven anyway, but 8 was younger than 7, 9 was younger than 8 (albeit marginally) and so on!”
How you viewed it as a child has no real relevance, though. Colin Baker was obviously older than Peter Davison. Several years older.
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However, the Master is clearly getting younger with each regeneration Delagado older than Ainley, who's incarnation would have been older at the point he would have regenerated into Jacobi form (which we are led to believe was many years before) and now Simm. I don't count the Peter Pratt and Geoffery Beevers versions as they were malformed versions.
Again, I'm not arguing the toss, its just my take on it!”
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However, the Master is clearly getting younger with each regeneration Delagado older than Ainley, who's incarnation would have been older at the point he would have regenerated into Jacobi form (which we are led to believe was many years before) and now Simm. I don't count the Peter Pratt and Geoffery Beevers versions as they were malformed versions.
Again, I'm not arguing the toss, its just my take on it!”
Ainley was not a regeneration, as such. And the Ainley version never regenerated into Jacobi; even if you discount the regenerations and un-regenerations in the books and audios, there was still at least one Master between Ainley and Jacobi, the Eric Roberts version from the TV Movie.
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“How you viewed it as a child has no real relevance”
“How you viewed it as a child has no real relevance”
To others I know, but not to me.
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Colin Baker was obviously older than Peter Davison. Several years older”
“Colin Baker was obviously older than Peter Davison. Several years older”
I have always seen 6 as younger than 5
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Ainley was not a regeneration, as such. And the Ainley version never regenerated into Jacobi; even if you discount the regenerations and un-regenerations in the books and audios, there was still at least one Master between Ainley and Jacobi, the Eric Roberts version from the TV Movie.”
“Ainley was not a regeneration, as such. And the Ainley version never regenerated into Jacobi; even if you discount the regenerations and un-regenerations in the books and audios, there was still at least one Master between Ainley and Jacobi, the Eric Roberts version from the TV Movie.”
A slight splitting of hairs on this I fear!
And oops, re Eric Roberts
I'm not arguing with anyone on this, each to their own, I am just giving my take on it. It may be wrong to you and others but it sits ok with me!
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“That was proven in Utopia, wasn't it? When The Master regenned, he said that if the Doctor could look younger, so could he. But it does seem that the Doctor prefers a more 'wait-and-see' kind of regenning...”
“That was proven in Utopia, wasn't it? When The Master regenned, he said that if the Doctor could look younger, so could he. But it does seem that the Doctor prefers a more 'wait-and-see' kind of regenning...”
Hi Sebbie
Another thing I noticed was that both the Master and Melody were in some considerable pain during their regens. I'm feeling that this is because they were focussing on their new forms whereas, you rightly say, the Doctor prefers the element of surprise.
It was also hinted in EoT2 (post-regen) that Timelords can change gender, wasn't it? When 11 checked his hair and declared 'I'm a girl!!', then realised he wasn't.
Moffat covered that base from the word go and Gaiman just reinforced that base.
Originally Posted by Miss Willow:
“Hi Sebbie
Another thing I noticed was that both the Master and Melody were in some considerable pain during their regens. I'm feeling that this is because they were focussing on their new forms whereas, you rightly say, the Doctor prefers the element of surprise.
It was also hinted in EoT2 (post-regen) that Timelords can change gender, wasn't it? When 11 checked his hair and declared 'I'm a girl!!', then realised he wasn't.
Moffat covered that base from the word go and Gaiman just reinforced that base.”
“Hi Sebbie
Another thing I noticed was that both the Master and Melody were in some considerable pain during their regens. I'm feeling that this is because they were focussing on their new forms whereas, you rightly say, the Doctor prefers the element of surprise.
It was also hinted in EoT2 (post-regen) that Timelords can change gender, wasn't it? When 11 checked his hair and declared 'I'm a girl!!', then realised he wasn't.
Moffat covered that base from the word go and Gaiman just reinforced that base.”
If Time Lords can indeed spontaneously change gender, that would make normal family relaionships incredibly difficult for them. Which possibly lends some weight to the idea put forward in the novels that most Time Lords don't have parents, siblings or partners as we understand the concepts.
Originally Posted by Davidus:
“During Tom Baker's Era, Romana had a regeneration whereby she changed 'bodies' several times before deciding upon one of them.
I vaguely remember (Possibly Tom Baker's doctor in the same episode mentioned above) implying that he couldn't choose his body as he'd not been 'trained' during his time on gallifrey”
“During Tom Baker's Era, Romana had a regeneration whereby she changed 'bodies' several times before deciding upon one of them.
I vaguely remember (Possibly Tom Baker's doctor in the same episode mentioned above) implying that he couldn't choose his body as he'd not been 'trained' during his time on gallifrey”
Hi Davidus - nice to meet you
I seem to remember something along those lines too but even if he could, the Doctor seems the type to leave his appearance to chance
Also... supporting Minky's viewpoint here... (and I may need confirmation or correction by friends on here) - didn't Romana choose the appearance of a living princess because she liked how she looked?
So Minky could be correct in that if the Doctor did choose to start focusing on a regen, he could, theoretically, choose a previous form...
Originally Posted by Miss Willow:
“Also... supporting Minky's viewpoint here... (and I may need confirmation or correction by friends on here) - didn't Romana choose the appearance of a living princess because she liked how she looked?
So Minky could be correct in that if the Doctor did choose to start focusing on a regen, he could, theoretically, choose a previous form...”
“Also... supporting Minky's viewpoint here... (and I may need confirmation or correction by friends on here) - didn't Romana choose the appearance of a living princess because she liked how she looked?
So Minky could be correct in that if the Doctor did choose to start focusing on a regen, he could, theoretically, choose a previous form...
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Yes. Romana was apparently able to manipulate her regeneration into several transitory forms before settling on the one she liked best; the appearance of Princess Astra.
Also worth noting that in The War Games, the Time Lords offered the second Doctor a number of specific new forms, all of which he rejected for various reasons.
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“If Time Lords can indeed spontaneously change gender, that would make normal family relaionships incredibly difficult for them. Which possibly lends some weight to the idea put forward in the novels that most Time Lords don't have parents, siblings or partners as we understand the concepts.”
“If Time Lords can indeed spontaneously change gender, that would make normal family relaionships incredibly difficult for them. Which possibly lends some weight to the idea put forward in the novels that most Time Lords don't have parents, siblings or partners as we understand the concepts.”
Hi Ting
Quite. I've a strong suspicion that Gallifreyan life is considerably more complicated than human life. I mean, a Timelord's wife could wake up one morning to find her husband has regenerated into a woman during the night, or vice versa.
The 9th Incarnation, prior to his regen, also implied that he may not even look humanoid post-regen. Yet Romana and the Master could control theirs.
Am I also correct in remembering that it was implied that Romana and the Master were academic achievers at the Academy?
Originally Posted by Miss Willow:
“Hi Ting
Quite. I've a strong suspicion that Gallifreyan life is considerably more complicated than human life. I mean, a Timelord's wife could wake up one morning to find her husband has regenerated into a woman during the night, or vice versa.”
“Hi Ting
Quite. I've a strong suspicion that Gallifreyan life is considerably more complicated than human life. I mean, a Timelord's wife could wake up one morning to find her husband has regenerated into a woman during the night, or vice versa.”
Which would be extremely unnerving for all concerned.
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The 9th Incarnation, prior to his regen, also implied that he may not even look humanoid post-regen. Yet Romana and the Master could control theirs.
Am I also correct in remembering that it was implied that Romana and the Master were academic achievers at the Academy?”
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The 9th Incarnation, prior to his regen, also implied that he may not even look humanoid post-regen. Yet Romana and the Master could control theirs.
Am I also correct in remembering that it was implied that Romana and the Master were academic achievers at the Academy?”
Well, they both graduated with higher marks than the Doctor.
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Which would be extremely unnerving for all concerned.
Well, they both graduated with higher marks than the Doctor.”
“Which would be extremely unnerving for all concerned.
Well, they both graduated with higher marks than the Doctor.”
Hi Ting
Thought that was the case. Thank you
So, are we being sold a joey on this one!
Gonna be p'd off if it is River now, a) too obvious and, b) a blatant spoiler from Moffatt about a crucial plot point!
What are the thoughts on this one?
NB. 'Sold a Joey' - an old coppers term for being told a pack of lies!
Gonna be p'd off if it is River now, a) too obvious and, b) a blatant spoiler from Moffatt about a crucial plot point!
What are the thoughts on this one?
NB. 'Sold a Joey' - an old coppers term for being told a pack of lies!
I'm sticking with it being The Doc'. It just seems a very Moffaty thing to do to have The Doc' kill himself, thus creating a paradox that if he kills himself, he wouldn't be alive to be able to kill himself.
Even in the established fiction of time travel, it shouldn't work of course - It's basically the classic grandfather paradox skipping a couple of generations
But when's that ever stopped Moffat?
Even in the established fiction of time travel, it shouldn't work of course - It's basically the classic grandfather paradox skipping a couple of generations
But when's that ever stopped Moffat?
Originally Posted by Ed Sizzers:
“I'm sticking with it being The Doc'. It just seems a very Moffaty thing to do to have The Doc' kill himself, thus creating a paradox that if he kills himself, he wouldn't be alive to be able to kill himself.
Even in the established fiction of time travel, it shouldn't work of course - It's basically the classic grandfather paradox skipping a couple of generations But when's that ever stopped Moffat?”
“I'm sticking with it being The Doc'. It just seems a very Moffaty thing to do to have The Doc' kill himself, thus creating a paradox that if he kills himself, he wouldn't be alive to be able to kill himself.
Even in the established fiction of time travel, it shouldn't work of course - It's basically the classic grandfather paradox skipping a couple of generations
But when's that ever stopped Moffat?”
No wait, hang on. For that to work, the Doc' that shoots the Doc' would have to be from a point after he's been shot, otherwise the events would just take place within his own linear timeline and that would be possible.
OK, let me think this through. The Doc get's to Utah. He puts on the spacesuit and hides in the lake. At the appropriate time, he comes out of the lake, shoots himself and buggers off back into the lake (where the Tardis may well be). He then goes back in time again, meets up with Amy, Rory and River and waits to get shot. Dead. OK, so that plan can't save him.
Yeah. Scratch that one. Next!
I think it is either Amy or Rory. i'm probably wrong. But I think one of them does it, in River's place.
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