iPhone 4 flash

dontpannic · 19-09-2011, 08:08

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Flash is fine. Its not the hog people think it is.

Well, it is. Even on the PC it still has ridiculously high system requirements to run correctly. Flash video on a netbook? Dream on.

Flash is horribly unoptimised on any device. The reason it runs so fantastically on your S2 is because the S2 has extremely high specifications. Have you tried anything more complex than a simple video?

Many video sites now offer mobile friendly HTML5 versions which play even without flash - and considering the vast majority of the web's flash content is 500x100 banners telling me I've won a prize, or have a message, or someone wants to chat with me. I come across very little in the way of flash content since blocking ads.

Amazingly, Flash runs better on Safari on the Mac than most other browsers!

clonmult · 19-09-2011, 09:38

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Originally Posted by DarthFader

With number 5 being the key one to Jobs I bet.

+1

Sadly, thats the critical point.

phillip_d · 19-09-2011, 10:37

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

If that's the case why hasn't anyone come up with better... Andriod is mostly a copy and what personalisation there is isn't much of a huge benefit.

*snigger* iOS 5 *snigger*

nanscombe · 19-09-2011, 11:01

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Originally Posted by unique

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...e_easy_way.php

that let's you run flash on your iphone with the standard safari browser

"First Jailbreak your iPhone" - Fail at step 1

alanwarwic · 19-09-2011, 11:10

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Originally Posted by dontpannic

Amazingly, Flash runs better on Safari on the Mac than most other browsers!

No it doesn't. OS/X has a very limited set of public API's which is a main reason much Mac software is more limited.
The bottom line is that it is all a battle for your money purse. Apple is just more direct in wanting most content to go through their apps.

What I do wonder about it how stable the whole IOS platform is considering multi-tasking is still disabled. If the boot was on the other foot you can be certain a limited Android would be regarded extremely scathingly.

And it is only very recent that Apple added an OS/X API for GPU hardware run video. The lack of it is a main reason things ran so bad.

unique · 19-09-2011, 11:11

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Originally Posted by nanscombe

"First Jailbreak your iPhone" - Fail at step 1

are the schools on holiday today?

dontpannic · 19-09-2011, 11:48

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

No it doesn't. OS/X has a very limited set of public API's which is a main reason much Mac software is more limited.
The bottom line is that it is all a battle for your money purse. Apple is just more direct in wanting most content to go through their apps.

Eh? I think you might have missed the point.

Flash 10.1 on Safari consistently uses less CPU than Flash 10.1 in Firefox or Chrome. That's not opinion, its been tested and is fact.

Don't quite understand why you then went off on a tangent about API's?

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What I do wonder about it how stable the whole IOS platform is considering multi-tasking is still disabled. If the boot was on the other foot you can be certain a limited Android would be regarded extremely scathingly.

Multitasking has been enabled since iOS4 (July last year).

Dai13371 · 19-09-2011, 12:53

Well done Safari but we are now on flash 10.3 and Firefox 6 and Chrome v 5 million and Adobe seem to be treating Apple with some disdain (after Jobs trashed their product publicly) so that fact is now moot.

clonmult · 19-09-2011, 12:55

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Originally Posted by dontpannic

Multitasking has been enabled since iOS4 (July last year).

But not quite multitasking as the PC world know it.

Its a restricted set of activities that can happen in the background, and that varies from app to app.

I'm used to being able to have a youtube video buffering in the background (3G connection here isn't always that great), while listening to music or doing something else. Afaik, thats not possible on iOS.

Despite using Android on a tablet for a good few months now, I'm not particularly a fan of how well Android handles multi tasking. Using a torrent client in "the background", it can kill off the device, despite being a dual core device.

Compare to Symbian, which seems to handle all of this with ridiculous ease. Not necessarily saying that it automatically makes Symbian better, but at least it has genuine multi tasking (just as WM used to, iirc).

Last edited by clonmult : 19-09-2011 at 13:12. Reason: Idiotic typo!

Dai13371 · 19-09-2011, 13:02

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Originally Posted by phillip_d

*snigger* iOS 5 *snigger*

http://androidandme.com/2011/06/news...-up-to-google/

dontpannic · 19-09-2011, 13:10

The problem with what you call "genuine" multitasking, is that if a user forgets about certain applications, the rest of the device will slow down a huge amount. WM was extremely bad for that - as the "X" minimized the application, not closed it.

I'm not familiar with how Android handles multitasking, but for the majority of uses, the iOS way of doing things is actually pretty good (only allowing certain streams to continue and suspending the rest of the app minimizes memory usage and maximises battery life).

Multitasking is multitasking, different OS'es have different ways of implementing it.

dontpannic · 19-09-2011, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Dai13371

http://androidandme.com/2011/06/news...-up-to-google/

You have actually quoted your unbiased source as an Android blog.

Most of that article is anti Apple rubbish I'm afraid.

The only thing that can be remotely attributed to Android is the notification centre. The rest of those (obviously sore) points for the author are just obvious inclusions brought over from OSX.

This isn't a race, this isn't a case of one company "catching up" with another, this isn't a case of "im better than you".

Competition is good. Not everything is the same - its a good thing. Not everything has to be a fight.

Dan Sette · 19-09-2011, 13:15

I understand that Windows 8 Metro will not feature Flash, either. As Microsoft believe the future will be Flash free

dontpannic · 19-09-2011, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Dan Sette

I understand that Windows 8 Metro will not feature Flash, either. As Microsoft believe the future will be Flash free

Maybe the end is in sight for Apple bashers on account of lack of flash.

Maybe not, they'll find something else to whine and bitch about.

claire33 · 19-09-2011, 16:05

Reason I really wanted flash for was so i could watch youtube stuff but it keeps telling me to upgrade to Adobe flash player

Dai13371 · 19-09-2011, 16:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by dontpannic

You have actually quoted your unbiased source as an Android blog.

Most of that article is anti Apple rubbish I'm afraid.

The only thing that can be remotely attributed to Android is the notification centre. The rest of those (obviously sore) points for the author are just obvious inclusions brought over from OSX.

This isn't a race, this isn't a case of one company "catching up" with another, this isn't a case of "im better than you".

Competition is good. Not everything is the same - its a good thing. Not everything has to be a fight.

I wasn't referencing anything, intending to provide facts to further debate or to engage in a pissing competition, although I am not sure I think any of those points are "sore" especially when the author (who says he is a former iPhone owner...looked at life from both sides ) includes a page which outlines what he would like to see Google "borrow" from Apple. Just thought it was an amusing addition to Stiggle's post.

lettice · 19-09-2011, 17:33

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Originally Posted by claire33

Reason I really wanted flash for was so i could watch youtube stuff but it keeps telling me to upgrade to Adobe flash player

Youtube comes preinstalled as an app on the iphone and flash is not required.
If you have to use a browser like safari to watch youtube, use;
m.youtube.com

grumpyoldbat · 19-09-2011, 17:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by claire33

Reason I really wanted flash for was so i could watch youtube stuff but it keeps telling me to upgrade to Adobe flash player

One of the in-built apps on the iPhone is for YouTube. It's preinstalled on every phone, so there's no reason for you to miss out!

claire33 · 19-09-2011, 21:22

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Originally Posted by lettice

Youtube comes preinstalled as an app on the iphone and flash is not required.
If you have to use a browser like safari to watch youtube, use;
m.youtube.com

This mind sound funny but when i used to go through safari & browse for youtube they used to load up much faster than the preinstalled one does which tends to have a problem and sticks all the time

Matt D · 19-09-2011, 21:31

YouTube via Safari is better than using the built-in app.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0...-app-obsolete/

http://www.cultofmac.com/49928/youtu...mobile-safari/

EDIT:

Other things you don't need Flash for -

BBC iPlayer (use Safari on the iPhone, Safari or an app on the iPad)

4oD (app)

ITV Player (app)

TVCatchup.com (Safari) or FilmON TV (app) for free streaming of various Freeview TV channels.

19-09-2011, 08:08	#26
dontpannic Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orpington, Kent Posts: 2,344	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Flash is fine. Its not the hog people think it is. Well, it is. Even on the PC it still has ridiculously high system requirements to run correctly. Flash video on a netbook? Dream on. Flash is horribly unoptimised on any device. The reason it runs so fantastically on your S2 is because the S2 has extremely high specifications. Have you tried anything more complex than a simple video? Many video sites now offer mobile friendly HTML5 versions which play even without flash - and considering the vast majority of the web's flash content is 500x100 banners telling me I've won a prize, or have a message, or someone wants to chat with me. I come across very little in the way of flash content since blocking ads. Amazingly, Flash runs better on Safari on the Mac than most other browsers!

19-09-2011, 09:38	#27
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by DarthFader With number 5 being the key one to Jobs I bet. +1 Sadly, thats the critical point.

19-09-2011, 10:37	#28
phillip_d Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Location: Location. Posts: 39	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan If that's the case why hasn't anyone come up with better... Andriod is mostly a copy and what personalisation there is isn't much of a huge benefit. snigger iOS 5 snigger

19-09-2011, 11:01	#29
nanscombe Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kent, Uk Posts: 16,161	Quote: Originally Posted by unique http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...e_easy_way.php that let's you run flash on your iphone with the standard safari browser "First Jailbreak your iPhone" - Fail at step 1

19-09-2011, 11:10	#30
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by dontpannic Amazingly, Flash runs better on Safari on the Mac than most other browsers! No it doesn't. OS/X has a very limited set of public API's which is a main reason much Mac software is more limited. The bottom line is that it is all a battle for your money purse. Apple is just more direct in wanting most content to go through their apps. What I do wonder about it how stable the whole IOS platform is considering multi-tasking is still disabled. If the boot was on the other foot you can be certain a limited Android would be regarded extremely scathingly. And it is only very recent that Apple added an OS/X API for GPU hardware run video. The lack of it is a main reason things ran so bad.

19-09-2011, 11:11	#31
unique Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,034	Quote: Originally Posted by nanscombe "First Jailbreak your iPhone" - Fail at step 1 are the schools on holiday today?

19-09-2011, 11:48	#32
dontpannic Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orpington, Kent Posts: 2,344	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic No it doesn't. OS/X has a very limited set of public API's which is a main reason much Mac software is more limited. The bottom line is that it is all a battle for your money purse. Apple is just more direct in wanting most content to go through their apps. Eh? I think you might have missed the point. Flash 10.1 on Safari consistently uses less CPU than Flash 10.1 in Firefox or Chrome. That's not opinion, its been tested and is fact. Don't quite understand why you then went off on a tangent about API's? Quote: What I do wonder about it how stable the whole IOS platform is considering multi-tasking is still disabled. If the boot was on the other foot you can be certain a limited Android would be regarded extremely scathingly. Multitasking has been enabled since iOS4 (July last year).

19-09-2011, 12:53	#33
Dai13371 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ammanford, South Wales Posts: 7,911	Well done Safari but we are now on flash 10.3 and Firefox 6 and Chrome v 5 million and Adobe seem to be treating Apple with some disdain (after Jobs trashed their product publicly) so that fact is now moot.

19-09-2011, 12:55	#34
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by dontpannic Multitasking has been enabled since iOS4 (July last year). But not quite multitasking as the PC world know it. Its a restricted set of activities that can happen in the background, and that varies from app to app. I'm used to being able to have a youtube video buffering in the background (3G connection here isn't always that great), while listening to music or doing something else. Afaik, thats not possible on iOS. Despite using Android on a tablet for a good few months now, I'm not particularly a fan of how well Android handles multi tasking. Using a torrent client in "the background", it can kill off the device, despite being a dual core device. Compare to Symbian, which seems to handle all of this with ridiculous ease. Not necessarily saying that it automatically makes Symbian better, but at least it has genuine multi tasking (just as WM used to, iirc). Last edited by clonmult : 19-09-2011 at 13:12. Reason: Idiotic typo!

19-09-2011, 13:02	#35
Dai13371 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ammanford, South Wales Posts: 7,911	Quote: Originally Posted by phillip_d snigger iOS 5 snigger http://androidandme.com/2011/06/news...-up-to-google/

19-09-2011, 13:10	#36
dontpannic Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orpington, Kent Posts: 2,344	The problem with what you call "genuine" multitasking, is that if a user forgets about certain applications, the rest of the device will slow down a huge amount. WM was extremely bad for that - as the "X" minimized the application, not closed it. I'm not familiar with how Android handles multitasking, but for the majority of uses, the iOS way of doing things is actually pretty good (only allowing certain streams to continue and suspending the rest of the app minimizes memory usage and maximises battery life). Multitasking is multitasking, different OS'es have different ways of implementing it.

19-09-2011, 13:13	#37
dontpannic Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orpington, Kent Posts: 2,344	Quote: Originally Posted by Dai13371 http://androidandme.com/2011/06/news...-up-to-google/ You have actually quoted your unbiased source as an Android blog. Most of that article is anti Apple rubbish I'm afraid. The only thing that can be remotely attributed to Android is the notification centre. The rest of those (obviously sore) points for the author are just obvious inclusions brought over from OSX. This isn't a race, this isn't a case of one company "catching up" with another, this isn't a case of "im better than you". Competition is good. Not everything is the same - its a good thing. Not everything has to be a fight.

19-09-2011, 13:15	#38
Dan Sette Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall (at last!) Posts: 5,641	I understand that Windows 8 Metro will not feature Flash, either. As Microsoft believe the future will be Flash free

19-09-2011, 13:30	#39
dontpannic Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orpington, Kent Posts: 2,344	Quote: Originally Posted by Dan Sette I understand that Windows 8 Metro will not feature Flash, either. As Microsoft believe the future will be Flash free Maybe the end is in sight for Apple bashers on account of lack of flash. Maybe not, they'll find something else to whine and bitch about.

19-09-2011, 16:05	#40
claire33 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,281	Reason I really wanted flash for was so i could watch youtube stuff but it keeps telling me to upgrade to Adobe flash player

19-09-2011, 16:18	#41
Dai13371 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ammanford, South Wales Posts: 7,911	Quote: Originally Posted by dontpannic You have actually quoted your unbiased source as an Android blog. Most of that article is anti Apple rubbish I'm afraid. The only thing that can be remotely attributed to Android is the notification centre. The rest of those (obviously sore) points for the author are just obvious inclusions brought over from OSX. This isn't a race, this isn't a case of one company "catching up" with another, this isn't a case of "im better than you". Competition is good. Not everything is the same - its a good thing. Not everything has to be a fight. I wasn't referencing anything, intending to provide facts to further debate or to engage in a pissing competition, although I am not sure I think any of those points are "sore" especially when the author (who says he is a former iPhone owner...looked at life from both sides ) includes a page which outlines what he would like to see Google "borrow" from Apple. Just thought it was an amusing addition to Stiggle's post.

19-09-2011, 17:33	#42
lettice Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 4,573	Quote: Originally Posted by claire33 Reason I really wanted flash for was so i could watch youtube stuff but it keeps telling me to upgrade to Adobe flash player Youtube comes preinstalled as an app on the iphone and flash is not required. If you have to use a browser like safari to watch youtube, use; m.youtube.com

19-09-2011, 17:39	#43
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	Quote: Originally Posted by claire33 Reason I really wanted flash for was so i could watch youtube stuff but it keeps telling me to upgrade to Adobe flash player One of the in-built apps on the iPhone is for YouTube. It's preinstalled on every phone, so there's no reason for you to miss out!

19-09-2011, 21:22	#44
claire33 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,281	Quote: Originally Posted by lettice Youtube comes preinstalled as an app on the iphone and flash is not required. If you have to use a browser like safari to watch youtube, use; m.youtube.com This mind sound funny but when i used to go through safari & browse for youtube they used to load up much faster than the preinstalled one does which tends to have a problem and sticks all the time

19-09-2011, 21:31	#45
Matt D Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 13,064	YouTube via Safari is better than using the built-in app. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/0...-app-obsolete/ http://www.cultofmac.com/49928/youtu...mobile-safari/ EDIT: Other things you don't need Flash for - BBC iPlayer (use Safari on the iPhone, Safari or an app on the iPad) 4oD (app) ITV Player (app) TVCatchup.com (Safari) or FilmON TV (app) for free streaming of various Freeview TV channels.

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