As much as I love her.

She should have voted for Rachel. That is playing personal.

No doubt Rachel is a competitor and had really played the whole season where as IMO Porsche had only played half the season.

She also sounded upset on the finale. If she drops the wannabe bitch act I am sure she would have done fine.

Porsche was clever about when she made move IMO. There is no reason to put yourself at risk unnecessarily when you can achieve the same without having to rely on luck.

Daniele always plays personally. She always just wants to align with her friends and treats the people she hates horribly (Jen, Zach, Rachel etc). She is reasonably smart and good competitor but she's always been terrible at long-term planning

She had a strong friendship with Porsche and i was glad that she stuck loyal to that.

And lets be real if Dani was in final two, J&J and R&B would of voted personally and voted for the other person no matter what.

I used to love Danielle but now I see her as a horrible person.
She played a terrible game when Dick left..jumping straight into a showmance,attempting to backstab her alliance far to early in the game and her bitchy comments just make her sound so bitter and nasty.

Voting for Porsche, after her big speech at her eviction saying she's the only one to respect the game, made her look a bit silly.

who's to say that Rachel played the best game though? I think Porsche played a better game. She got herself in a great position, she didn't HAVE to win competitions, she was on the other side of the house but was the third one on the list of people to get off, so she would be safe when her side won and when the other side won as they'd be focussing on Daniele and Kalia more so than her. As soon as she had to start winning competitions, she did, and if it wasn't for Pandora she'd have won this game, I'm sure of it.

Also, Daniele was not horrible to Rachel it was definitley the other way round. Her closing speech to Rachel was perfect.

Just because you think Rachel deserved to win more doesn't mean Daniele has to. Everyone has a different opinion on what it takes to win.

To be fair I don't blame Daniele for not voting for her. I look at it as a social game, if I was in the house and somebody made me feel like crap I probably wouldn't vote for them either, not necessarily for personal reasons but strategically it's just not a good idea to annoy someone who has a vote that could win you the game. The way I see it, a good player makes people WANT to vote for them in the end. At the end of the day it didn't matter as Rachel had enough people in the jury who wanted to vote for her (and good for her, for that she deserved to win), but I still understand why Daniele voted the way she did.

But Porsche played a great game. You could argue that she played a far better game than Rachel (especially since Rachel's win will always have an asterisk due to rigging, it's tainted), and vice versa, but it comes down to whatever your opinion is. But if BB was all about competitions, then Rachel would have made it much further in BB12 - and considering both Porsche and Adam were quite close to Rachel in terms of racking up competition wins, the "competitor" argument isn't really a strong one.

Voting Adam over Rachel might have been personal, since Daniele has criticised his gameplay. But it's not difficult to fathom that she would genuinely think Porsche played a better game than Rachel.

Rachel herself is also hypocritical when it comes to jury votes: she preaches about the importance of doing well in the competitions, but last year she voted for Lane to win instead of Hayden, even though Hayden won 4 HOHs and a POV (I think) and played a near-flawless game, and I think Lane only won a single competition in the whole season.

I actually LOVE daniele. I think she is so fierce and amazing. I love her bitchy remarks, her bitchy comment to Rachel at the end was just so funny and was true.

Like Rachel was a complete bitch.. Even when there was no need to be a bitch she was. Her DR were just nasty at times. Rachel, Jeff and the crew were so bitter when things never went there way. Whenever they fixed all those twists to screw Dani over.. She wasn't crying and making a big fuss like everyone else was.

I've always liked Daniele even during her series when a lot of people didn't but I've gone right off her in this series. She's hypocritical, childish, petty, bitchy and very personal. There's no doubt though she is amusing sometimes but when she said to Rachel it's a good job it's not a vote for her personality I really hated her.

Why be so nasty and she didn't even vote for her anyway, simply no need, I think she was just showing bitterness tbh

She benefited from the twist of the Golden Key, so those who say Rachel benefited from a twist need to remember that too.

Daniele was definitely bitchy and her fans are hypocrites if they accuse Rachel of being worse. Even Porsche said bad things about people sometimes, but it's all part of the game.

The Golden Key had to actually be earned by surviving an eviction, which Porsche did.

Rachel and Jordan didn't earn the benefit of Pandora's Box, Grodner just chucked that in because Porsche and Kalia were dominating the game too much for her liking, and she wanted to punish Shelly for evicting Jeff.

Rachel survived an eviction later but didn't get any immunity? Some twists favoured the other side too then, and nobody forced Porsche to open Pandora's Box did they?

They were told from the beginning that the Golden Keys would only last until the final 10. It wasn't a last minute twist that was thrown in to benefit any particular person (however, the fact that the veterans were paired with someone they knew and trusted and the newbs were paired with a stranger at the beginning was always going to favour the veterans).

I can't think of any twists that were made to favour the newbs only.

Nope, Porsche wasn't forced to open Pandora's Box - but they bribed her when she initially refused to open it. They've never done that in past seasons with Pandora's Box, but I guess production weren't as desperate for it to be opened as they were that week. And it's not exactly fair that the following week, when a veteran won HOH, Pandora's Box was something that didn't affect their game at all. It's odd that the game-changing twist only happened when the newbs were in control of the game for the first time, after weeks of fighting for that control.

They didn't give Rachel any money for opening Pandora's Box, so not fair for her? And ultimately Rachel saved herself anyway. And certainly it is true that the veterans had ready made alliances, but they were also outnumbered.

Porsche only got money because she was being bribed to open it. They didn't need to bribe Rachel because they accepted her decision to open it - but they didn't accept Porsche's decision to keep it shut. I agree that it's not fair, but the producers weren't interested in fairness that week, they were interested in protecting america's favourites.

Rachel did earn the POV so she would've been safe that week anyway. But because of the twist- I mean, the rigging, Jordan was also safe. So Porsche was forced to nominate both Adam and Shelly, when usually Jordan would've stayed on the block and Porsche would only have to make one more nomination. And Rachel would've lost an allie that week, so she did benefit from that in the long run.

There were more newbs than veterans, but only two more. An alliance of six people who were always going to join forces from the get-go is much stronger than eight strangers who don't know or trust each other.

Jordan went before the end anyway. And I think a Rachel / Porsche final 2 was fair enough. The only other one who deserved to be at the end was maybe Kalia, but her silliness in sacrificing Lawon showed her to be not so great at the game.

Yeah, even though I prefer Porsche, I do think Rachel is a decent winner - and I don't think the producers were specifically manipulating the game for her, it was more likely for Jeff and Jordan's benefit, but Rachel just happened to benefit indirectly just from being in their alliance. But she still might have made it to the end on her own merit, if the producers had given her the chance. She definitely would have been the last veteran standing, even if she didn't get to the final.

To be honest, I think we just have to go with the flow with the rigging these days. It sucks badly, but it's just always going to be a part of the show now. I look forward to the day that someone who everyone despises wins the game, just to see if there's a Grodner-smelling explosion in the LA area.

Danielle was a nasty brat in her original season and she was the exact same this time around, it doesn't surprise me at all that she didn't vote for the clear better 'player' and voted personally, along with a final nasty comment to boot.

I'm just glad that she came out of it with nothing and lost a lot support of the people who thought she was some sort of great at the game.

I agree, Porsche played a great game - she remained loyal to an alliance (i.e. she wasn't a 'floater') but she kept on good terms with many other HMs and never had a huge target on her back due to playing with 'power players' Kalia and Daniele. Alongside this she competed really well throughout the summer (finishing 2nd in a few HOHs, as well as winning one with 2 POVs) when she needed to and managed to make the final 2. She was a deserving finalist imo, much more so than Lane last year!

I'm sorry but Daniele was no where near as bitchy and bitter compared to Rachel. She is the most bitchy person i've ever seen, just take a look back at her DR.

Like when Kalia lost and started crying.. Rachel in the DR was being all bitchy and making fun of her.. Erm did we forget when Rachel did a massive bitch fit and started crying in the bushes? Rachel was a spoilt little brat.

Don't forget, Dani, Kalia and Porsche made fun of Rachel for crying as well. Actually, Dani, Kalia and Porsche made fun of everyone in the house when they locked themselves up in the HOH for 3 straight weeks.

Nobody is a saint.

Voting for Porsche was a fair move, she played a great game too I felt, and it's hard to ignore the manipulation in Rachel's favour. Not only with the twist during Porsche's HOH, but then the PoV challenge that week - which was the exact same as the first HOH competition... which Rachel won.