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How long will the iPhone 5 queues be?
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ACU
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by Mozitski:
“What do you think the price of the phone is going to be? TBH I never cared about the iphone but since I've been SO into technology recently I want it all! ”

If your into technology, there are better phones already on the market. The iphone is never at the front technology wise. So not sure why your waiting for an iphone.

The 'shortage' and if you dont get on release day you will have to wait weeks, is all hype propagated by the media and apple. Apple have the supply, they just hold on to it and drip feed the stores. They could supply all the demand in the first week, however that just wont create the same buzz, hysteria that apple want (as a previous poster said).

I have never queued, for anything...apart for the queue at the checkout. I do consider myself a bit of a gadget person, but cant see myself queuing. Not my thing.
paulbrock
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by Matt D:
“I know people who are queueing up right now for the midnight launch of Gears of War 3 for the Xbox 360. Same thing happened for Modern Warfare 1 & 2, Halo 3, and various other "big games". People queued for the 360, PS3, & Wii consoles themselves when they were launched. It happens with all sorts of things, but especially anything techy.”

yep v true.

Still don't get it. Only thing I might be tempted to queue like that for is limited supply of something (an actual limited supply, not an artificial one). Gig and festival tickets spring to mind. They will not run out of games consoles or games or books or phones.

Its like when people take a day or two off work so they can devote their time to (normally) the latest game. It's just a game. it will still be there for you in the evening or at the weekend.
grumpyoldbat
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“yep v true.

Still don't get it. Only thing I might be tempted to queue like that for is limited supply of something (an actual limited supply, not an artificial one). Gig and festival tickets spring to mind. They will not run out of games consoles or games or books or phones.

Its like when people take a day or two off work so they can devote their time to (normally) the latest game. It's just a game. it will still be there for you in the evening or at the weekend.”

I queued up once in the US to get an iPad for someone. It was actually quite a fun social experience. A bunch of complete strangers from all around the world, chatting to each other. It was only about a 40 minute queue though. Don't think I'd queue for hours on end though. That said, I'm more than prepared to queue for 4+ hours if it'll get me down to the barrier at a standing-only gig!
LostFool
20-09-2011
Of course Apple manage this release hype and "shortages" as it's good publicity. "New phone released and there are enough for everyone" doesn't make it onto the TV news and into the papers.
denzil28
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“yep v true.

Still don't get it. Only thing I might be tempted to queue like that for is limited supply of something (an actual limited supply, not an artificial one). Gig and festival tickets spring to mind. They will not run out of games consoles or games or books or phones.

Its like when people take a day or two off work so they can devote their time to (normally) the latest game. It's just a game. it will still be there for you in the evening or at the weekend.”

it's all about anticipation. I was chomping at the bit for my iphone 4 because my old phone was falling apart but had decided to hold out for the new model of the iphone. I made that decision in December 2009 and had to wait until the end of July 2010 before I was able to get a new phone. I was not about to wait another few weeks or months for something I felt I had already waited long enough for (and I did need it as my old phone had broken by that time).

I wanted SIM free as I'm not stupid and will not pay for a so called 'subsidised' phone on a contract that means I end up paying over £100 more than the cost of a SIM free phone and Sim only tarif. I received my phone at 9am on the day of release. Receipt was guaranteed by Apple for those who got in early with the pre order (some even got theirs the day before release due to the delivery firm).

I didn't want an iphone because everyone else I knew had one. However, the fact they did helped me to at least see it's functionality and to see how I would get on with it compared to other phones on the market. My need was for an all in one device that replaced my phone and my MP3 player but also provided me with so much more. Most of the people I know who have an iphone do not use it to it's full potential (and it's to those people I would question why they even bothered to get one in the first place. Maybe they are more sheep than I am. I know at least four people with no music and only one page of apps on their iphone. That personally frustrates the hell out of me. But it's their money and their choice, who am I to say how they should spend their savings).

I use my iphone for calls, texting, as a camera and video camera, to stream those photos and videos to my Apple TV, as an MP3 and MP4 player, as a hand held games console, for internet browsing and e-mails, I control my TV and blu ray player with an app, I access my PC with Splashtop, I use dropbox to quickly move photos from my phone to PC, I use it as a torch and can read my children a story on it if we are away from home and didn;t have room to take story books with us, if I am away at bedtime I can video call home to say goodnight, I can spontaniously read my own books whilst in the park on a sunny day without having to take anything extra with me, it helps me navigate towns I am visiting and to find shops and places whilst there, it can keep my children quiet if we are in a queue and they are getting bored. I'm sure I use it for plenty of other things I haven't listed above.

Now to say that I am a sheep for buying an iphone is wrong, the iphone fits my needs very well and it does it very simply (and yes I have jailbroken so I can teather for free, but I am not interested in adding themes etc other than a wallpaper).

Now for someone else wanting to do all of those things (or even half), who has made the choice to upgrade from there crappy old phone that has seen better days to the new model iphone (because they know there is no point getting the 4 when the 5 is due any day now) is allowed to get excited about it. So much so that they want to get down to the shops as soon as it is released so they can finally get what they have been waiting for. Add to that the fact that there will have been an additional 3 month wait for the 5 than there was for the 4 and you are going to see a lot of very excited people wanting to upgrade at the first oppotunity, many of whom have an iphone 3G(s) that they did not or could not upgrade when the iphone 4 came out.

I'm not too fussed about the iphone 5 at the moment. I'm pretty certain that Apple aren't going to add anything that amazing to the existing feature set of the iphone 4 apart from a few spec bumps. But it's not my turn for a new iphone just yet, Iphone 6 will probably be the one I get excited about.

Of course I follow the news on the new iphone as I am interested to see what it will offer and if I am correct in my assumption that it will not be enough of an upgrade to justify me buying it.

Anyway, that's why I bought my iphone. It's not the same for everyone but we should just let people have their fun. Many people enjoy the whole hype and queing experience, for some its a day out with like minded people and an awful lot of friendships are made on those days as people meet in the queues. They feel part fo a world wide event and that makes them happy. If I had the time and could be guaranteed the product I wanted, I would propbably go down myself to be a part of the experience. However, I know I wont get there early enough and don't want to come home disappointed, so online ordering is the order fo the day for me.
ACU
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by denzil28:
“...

Anyway, that's why I bought my iphone. It's not the same for everyone but we should just let people have their fun. Many people enjoy the whole hype and queing experience, for some its a day out with like minded people and an awful lot of friendships are made on those days as people meet in the queues. They feel part fo a world wide event and that makes them happy. If I had the time and could be guaranteed the product I wanted, I would propbably go down myself to be a part of the experience. However, I know I wont get there early enough and don't want to come home disappointed, so online ordering is the order fo the day for me.”

There were quite a few phones available that could have done all that for you. Since cost was an issue, they would also have been cheaper.

The bit on bold...I would normally say, they need to get out more. Ironically they are out. Anyone who looks forward to such an 'experience' is a bit mental if you ask me.

People normally have to wait around for a few hours when their flight is delayed. Yet no one mentions this 'experience' as enhancing their holiday. Its a big bloody pain in the backside. You got to love the apple fans, who turn this into an 'experience'.
paulbrock
20-09-2011
thanks for the response denzil. I can't say I fully empathise with your position. I remember waiting months for my first smartphone to be released(LONG before the iphone, a wierd looking Siemens phone). Pretty sure I didn't rush down the shops the day it was released though, a phone will never be high on my priorities.

I'll happily queue for 30 mins to spend 2 minutes on a rollercoaster, and I'm sure many people would see that as a waste of time.

"we should just let people have their fun". I guess so. I certainly wouldn't stop anyone if they were deperate to queue up, but would wonder at their sense of fun Hey ho, would be boring if we all liked the same thing
denzil28
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by ACU:
“There were quite a few phones available that could have done all that for you. Since cost was an issue, they would also have been cheaper.

The bit on bold...I would normally say, they need to get out more. Ironically they are out. Anyone who looks forward to such an 'experience' is a bit mental if you ask me.

People normally have to wait around for a few hours when their flight is delayed. Yet no one mentions this 'experience' as enhancing their holiday. Its a big bloody pain in the backside. You got to love the apple fans, who turn this into an 'experience'.”

Why does it always have result in a negative comment towards 'Apple Fans'? Other people do queue you know. People queue for EVERY new product, even if it is just one person waiting for it. Apple just so happens to have more people wanting to buy their products at the moment. The same madness has happened for years with the release of games and games consoles, so this is nothing new or exclusive to people who buy Apple products. I am a fan of Apple products, that does not mean I leave my brain at the door when buying their products or what else is available on the market.

It isn't comparable to being delayed for a flight as that is a delay and hopefully something you will avoid when travelling (much like a traffic jam), for a product launch people specifically go to be a part of the queuing experience. Sometimes there is even reward for being one of the first few in the queue. Was it Sony who gave the first 10 people a big screen TV and a ride home in a taxi to the first 10 or so in the queue at the Playstation 3 launch at HMV Oxford Street?

I'm not saying I would want to do it myself, but can appreciate other peoples freedom of choice to want to do it themselves.

I appreciate that there were other phones on the market at the time the iphone 4 was released. However, they were not for me. They were all ugly and not user friendly in my opinion and were actually the same or close to the price of a SIM free iphone anyway so no money saved buying something different. I don't recall saying money was an issue for me, I could afford to buy any phone I wanted to on a contract or SIM free. What I said is that I'm not stupid enough to waste money, which is a very different thing and much smarter than blindly signing up for a contract that will cost you more in the long run than buying out right and having a £15 a month SIM only contract.

The reason I can afford to buy the things I want (I want remember, because of the choices I have made, not because I am a sheep or because someone who feels it's cool to be negative towards a product they dont chose to buy themselves and have talked me into buying what they have. No, I wanted an iphone 4 and that is what I set out to buy) is because I find the cheapest possible way to purchase almost everything I buy (right down to tins of beans). A few quid saved here and there soon mounts up and leaves me free to buy the things I want when I want them. I don't have to settle for the next best thing because I have manged to save my pennies to buy at the right time. The iphone might not be the most advanced phone on the market, but I don't necessarily need the features that come with the most advanced model. Since owning an iphone I have never felt the need to bluetooth a file to anyone, nor has anyone asked me. Neither have I wanted to change my text tone or have widgets on my home screen. Those things aren't important to me, nor are they important to millions of other people who chose an iphone over any other phone. That doesn't make them wrong. Some of those people who didn't research properly may decide they don't like the iphone and will opt to sell it and go with another model and the same will happen the other way around as the grass is not always greener on the other side.

All this boils down to personal choice. It's personal choice to buy a certain model of phone just as it is personal to spend the day queing up for it. If it makes them happy then good for them.
denzil28
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“thanks for the response denzil. I can't say I fully empathise with your position. I remember waiting months for my first smartphone to be released(LONG before the iphone, a wierd looking Siemens phone). Pretty sure I didn't rush down the shops the day it was released though, a phone will never be high on my priorities.

I'll happily queue for 30 mins to spend 2 minutes on a rollercoaster, and I'm sure many people would see that as a waste of time.

"we should just let people have their fun". I guess so. I certainly wouldn't stop anyone if they were deperate to queue up, but would wonder at their sense of fun Hey ho, would be boring if we all liked the same thing ”

I'm the same with rollercoasters (90 minutes for the Saw ride was pretty mental, but it was a good ride in the end). But as you say, that's our sense of fun. Some people will watch Big Brother or Strictly Come Dancing, can't see the appeal of that either but millions seem to so there has to be something there that can appeal to millions of people.
ACU
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by denzil28:
“Why does it always have result in a negative comment towards 'Apple Fans'? Other people do queue you know. People queue for EVERY new product, even if it is just one person waiting for it. Apple just so happens to have more people wanting to buy their products at the moment. The same madness has happened for years with the release of games and games consoles, so this is nothing new or exclusive to people who buy Apple products. I am a fan of Apple products, that does not mean I leave my brain at the door when buying their products or what else is available on the market.

It isn't comparable to being delayed for a flight as that is a delay and hopefully something you will avoid when travelling (much like a traffic jam), for a product launch people specifically go to be a part of the queuing experience. Sometimes there is even reward for being one of the first few in the queue. Was it Sony who gave the first 10 people a big screen TV and a ride home in a taxi to the first 10 or so in the queue at the Playstation 3 launch at HMV Oxford Street?

I'm not saying I would want to do it myself, but can appreciate other peoples freedom of choice to want to do it themselves.

I appreciate that there were other phones on the market at the time the iphone 4 was released. However, they were not for me. They were all ugly and not user friendly in my opinion and were actually the same or close to the price of a SIM free iphone anyway so no money saved buying something different. I don't recall saying money was an issue for me, I could afford to buy any phone I wanted to on a contract or SIM free. What I said is that I'm not stupid enough to waste money, which is a very different thing and much smarter than blindly signing up for a contract that will cost you more in the long run than buying out right and having a £15 a month SIM only contract.

The reason I can afford to buy the things I want (I want remember, because of the choices I have made, not because I am a sheep or because someone who feels it's cool to be negative towards a product they dont chose to buy themselves and have talked me into buying what they have. No, I wanted an iphone 4 and that is what I set out to buy) is because I find the cheapest possible way to purchase almost everything I buy (right down to tins of beans). A few quid saved here and there soon mounts up and leaves me free to buy the things I want when I want them. I don't have to settle for the next best thing because I have manged to save my pennies to buy at the right time. The iphone might not be the most advanced phone on the market, but I don't necessarily need the features that come with the most advanced model. Since owning an iphone I have never felt the need to bluetooth a file to anyone, nor has anyone asked me. Neither have I wanted to change my text tone or have widgets on my home screen. Those things aren't important to me, nor are they important to millions of other people who chose an iphone over any other phone. That doesn't make them wrong. Some of those people who didn't research properly may decide they don't like the iphone and will opt to sell it and go with another model and the same will happen the other way around as the grass is not always greener on the other side.

All this boils down to personal choice. It's personal choice to buy a certain model of phone just as it is personal to spend the day queing up for it. If it makes them happy then good for them.”

Since this thread is about the iphone 5, thats why my comments were aimed at apple fans. I would of course say the same about people queueing for an ipod . Only kidding, I woulds say the same for people queuing for games, consoles etc. To me its no different. The only difference is that you have called it an 'experience'. I havent been in any game/console related threads recently (although I was in the COD:MW2 thread when that was about to be released). No one else has described it as an experience.

As for the money issue, you did comment that it was cheaper to buy outright. It would seem that I have taken this differently to how you meant it. I apologise for this.

As you say, its a personal choice. I just dont get it though. Then again some of the things I do, others will probably find just as whacky.
Creamtea
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by ACU:
“If your into technology, there are better phones already on the market. The iphone is never at the front technology wise. So not sure why your waiting for an iphone.

The 'shortage' and if you dont get on release day you will have to wait weeks, is all hype propagated by the media and apple. Apple have the supply, they just hold on to it and drip feed the stores. They could supply all the demand in the first week, however that just wont create the same buzz, hysteria that apple want (as a previous poster said).

I have never queued, for anything...apart for the queue at the checkout. I do consider myself a bit of a gadget person, but cant see myself queuing. Not my thing.”

Of course they do! B@stards!
gastro
20-09-2011
iPhone 5 is due sometime next month on o2. Been put back twice now so don't expect it LOL. Before anyone asks I work at the o2 distribution place and we have been told to expect plenty of overtime next month.
Can't see the point in queuing for em. We get to play with all the new phones and got to say I don't like ther iphone at all, much prefer my Samsung.
denzil28
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Since this thread is about the iphone 5, thats why my comments were aimed at apple fans. I would of course say the same about people queueing for an ipod . Only kidding, I woulds say the same for people queuing for games, consoles etc. To me its no different. The only difference is that you have called it an 'experience'. I havent been in any game/console related threads recently (although I was in the COD:MW2 thread when that was about to be released). No one else has described it as an experience.

As for the money issue, you did comment that it was cheaper to buy outright. It would seem that I have taken this differently to how you meant it. I apologise for this.

As you say, its a personal choice. I just dont get it though. Then again some of the things I do, others will probably find just as whacky.”

I don't suppose the need to queue is as essential as it used to be.

I think that has only really started to come about in the last ten years or so as manufacturers have become a bit more wise to the popularity of their products and ramp up and plan for their launch rather than providing the same number of products to each shop in week one as they will in week two and three etc.

When I was younger there was no internet, so if I wanted the latest game I had to get to my local Dixons or Woolworths early on the day of release to get a game the day it came out, otherwise I wouldn't know when I would get it. I recall the launch of Playstation 2 seemed to start this trend of pre ordering as I had to fill in a form at Electronics Boutique a month before launch in order to snag myself one on the day they came out. If you hadn't pre ordered, getting one was very difficult for several months after.

As we move in to times where we have internet shopping and so many shops selling phones or games/consoles. The need to queue seems less of a requirement in order to get hold of what you want. We all have a number of possibilities of where we can purchase from, yet there still seems to be amazing queues in some places (even without Dixons and Woolworths on the high street anymore).

I also think ebay is part to balme for this and the belief that everyone can make a quick few quid if they buy one of the 'limited' items or get themselves one to buy and one to sell for profit on ebay. If this culture was wiped out then there almost certainly be enough to go around for everyone who wanted one on day of release and then for those who wanted to walk in a few days later and buy one in less of a hurry.

Actually, I think it is ebay sellers that is solely to blame for this issue. Although I have no proof. An example of this is the recent Take That concerts during the summer. I don;t know a single person who managed to get in on the ticket line who didn't buy two tickets for themselves and then two or more tickets to try and sell for a profit. What they didn;t realise they were doing was flooding the market with overpriced tickets and so none of them sold because buyers knew those selling would have to keep reducing the price they asked for them until they were down to face value. Do you recall how many facebook status updates in the days prior to the concerts were still trying to flog you all their unsold Take That tickets. I didn't realise my wife wanted to see the concerts until after the tickets had sold out. My sister had got two extra tickets because she was convinced she could make £200 on them, when I told her she wouldn't and offered to buy them off her for face value to save her the trouble she turned me down due to her greed. She had still not sold them the day before the concert and was begging me to buy them off her for face value, but it was too late for us to sort out a babysitter at that point and we couldn't go. I don't htink she ever sold them in the end.

Anyway, I digress, but I think I made a point there.
denzil28
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by gastro:
“iPhone 5 is due sometime next month on o2. Been put back twice now so don't expect it LOL. Before anyone asks I work at the o2 distribution place and we have been told to expect plenty of overtime next month.
Can't see the point in queuing for em. We get to play with all the new phones and got to say I don't like ther iphone at all, much prefer my Samsung.”

How can the launch of Iphone 5 been put back twice when the existence of it has not been announced by Apple yet?

The dates that have been put back are dates the O2 and the internet rumour mills have guessed at. AN item can only be delayed if it does not meet it's previously announced launch date.

However, there are far to many rumours now for October not to be a luanch period for an new iphone, just what or when is not yet know.
denzil28
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by ACU:
“Since this thread is about the iphone 5, thats why my comments were aimed at apple fans. I would of course say the same about people queueing for an ipod . Only kidding, I woulds say the same for people queuing for games, consoles etc. To me its no different. The only difference is that you have called it an 'experience'. I havent been in any game/console related threads recently (although I was in the COD:MW2 thread when that was about to be released). No one else has described it as an experience.

As for the money issue, you did comment that it was cheaper to buy outright. It would seem that I have taken this differently to how you meant it. I apologise for this.

As you say, its a personal choice. I just dont get it though. Then again some of the things I do, others will probably find just as whacky.”

I'm posting a lot I know, sorry.

I was just thinking about your comment on queueing for ipods. I cannot think of any noise that occurs around the launch of a new ipod, even though they are as comparable to a new iphone or ipad. There is a huge buzz around the ipad and iphone launches but nothing for the poor old ipods. Am I missing this because it is just not on my radar, or does soemthing different happen for the ipod that means there is no need for the queues and the media circus??
edEx
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by gastro:
“iPhone 5 is due sometime next month on o2. Been put back twice now so don't expect it LOL. Before anyone asks I work at the o2 distribution place and we have been told to expect plenty of overtime next month.
Can't see the point in queuing for em. We get to play with all the new phones and got to say I don't like ther iphone at all, much prefer my Samsung.”

Although not entirely unexpected it's good to hear October being mentioned by another source, especially as I'm an O2 customer. Thanks
ACU
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by denzil28:
“I'm posting a lot I know, sorry.

I was just thinking about your comment on queueing for ipods. I cannot think of any noise that occurs around the launch of a new ipod, even though they are as comparable to a new iphone or ipad. There is a huge buzz around the ipad and iphone launches but nothing for the poor old ipods. Am I missing this because it is just not on my radar, or does soemthing different happen for the ipod that means there is no need for the queues and the media circus??”

No idea to be honest. I dont really follow apple release dates. I think the iphone5 is the only one I have bothered to google.
paulbrock
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by denzil28:
“An example of this is the recent Take That concerts during the summer. ....”

the difference with gigs is that they ARE a limited supply. Some people will want tickets and won't be able to get them. This is not, despite what manufacturers and shops would have us believe, the case with consumer electronics or games.

Yes you might not get it on launch day. But then you might be working on launch day. Or you might be invited out the evening after buying your console/phone/game. It will still be there (or in the shop) after work/pub/etc, and your life will not (contrary I suspect to what certain advertising agencies want you to believe) be any less complete if you don't get something the day it comes out.
asyousay
20-09-2011
There is always such negativity on Apple on this forum. It is so boring and petty.


Some people like Apple and they are not hurting anybody so get over it.
Helix
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by gastro:
“iPhone 5 is due sometime next month on o2. Been put back twice now so don't expect it LOL. Before anyone asks I work at the o2 distribution place and we have been told to expect plenty of overtime next month.
Can't see the point in queuing for em. We get to play with all the new phones and got to say I don't like ther iphone at all, much prefer my Samsung.”

Hopefully O2 will handle it better than the iPhone 4 release. Where they drip fed information about pre-orders and Microsims.
Stiggles
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“There is always such negativity on Apple on this forum. It is so boring and petty.


Some people like Apple and they are not hurting anybody so get over it.”

And there is also some over active people when it comes to apple on this forum.

Some people don't like apple so get over it.
ram jam
20-09-2011
I'm getting very bored with all this apple is Good apple is bad rubbish, and would love the mods to take a hold of this forum as it's getting out of control.
pi r squared
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“There is always such negativity on Apple on this forum. It is so boring and petty.


Some people like Apple and they are not hurting anybody so get over it.”

Welcome to Digital Spy. There is negativity about pretty much everything; Apple don't get it any worse than any other company.

There has always been a core of people who like to get things first. Whether other people "get it" or not, it's been a phenomenon for pretty much ever: people driving brand-new-plate cars off the forecourt on March/September 1st (or August 1st as was); people who beta-test; people who preorder; people who visit theme parks on pre-open days; people who sit waiting for phone lines to open; etc. You or I might think that someone is a tool for sitting in a queue for 24 hours and then handing over half a grand for the privilege, but we can't pretend this is exclusive or unique to Apple.

I think ACU summed it up best: there'll be hefty queues in some key locations. I'm pretty sure you won't be sauntering directly into the Regent St. Apple Store on iPhone 5 release day! But in other nowhere locations, the queues will be tolerable.
paulbrock
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“
There has always been a core of people who like to get things first. Whether other people "get it" or not, it's been a phenomenon for pretty much ever: people driving brand-new-plate cars off the forecourt on March/September 1st (or August 1st as was); people who beta-test; people who preorder; people who visit theme parks on pre-open days; people who sit waiting for phone lines to open; etc. You or I might think that someone is a tool for sitting in a queue for 24 hours and then handing over half a grand for the privilege, but we can't pretend this is exclusive or unique to Apple.

I think ACU summed it up best: there'll be hefty queues in some key locations. I'm pretty sure you won't be sauntering directly into the Regent St. Apple Store on iPhone 5 release day! But in other nowhere locations, the queues will be tolerable.”

Yes, and whilst I agree with you its not Apple-exclusive, most of the other examples you cite are merely people accessing products as soon as they are available. You don't have to wait outside for hours to beta-test something or buy a car on a particular day (presumably, never tried the car thing). Likewise my flawed rollercoaster example earlier. On the whole, whenever you go to the theme park there will be a queue, you can't (easily) avoid it.

In the cases we're talking about though, the inconvenience is very easily avoidable, just do without for a few days. I'm going to stick with days. Exceptionally that becomes weeks but there's no reason to think so for most products.
edEx
20-09-2011
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“Welcome to Digital Spy. There is negativity about pretty much everything; Apple don't get it any worse than any other company.”

LOL. That gives me an idea. An Apple Appreciation Thread. Normal rules apply
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