Haven't they moved on from that now? It's more like "if you want something like an iPhone, buy an iPhone" on the recent ads.

thanks for clearing that up.

I understand the adverts to be "If you're thinking of getting something similar to an iPhone, don't, because it's not an iPhone as it doesn't have this exclusive feature x." (It actually does have that feature, but they don't call it x, so whilst you will get the same functionality you won't have the app store(tm)/Facetime(tm)/itunes(tm) etc.)

I assumed too. Gorilla seems to be the market leader, and if the iphone did have it, I don't understand why both Corning and Apple wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops.

http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/p...-with-gorilla/

I dread to think what the Gadget show will be like. Suzi and Jon and Jason will not only be creaming their knickers but might be hard pressed to get the iPhone 5 to beat any of the rivals from HTC and Samsung. Then again, I am sure they will somehow "fix it" so that the iPhone will win by pitting the iPhone against HTC/Samsung through stupid tests like locating a genuine Italian pizza takeaway in Dublin and translating the menu and positng a picture of the owner on twatter whilst racing against the clock or some other useless pointlessness which has no place in the real world.

Do Apple take preorders over here? I know they do in the US.

They do, but only after the product availability has been announced. The iPad was out for a while in the US before it was offered for pre-order here.

The new iPhone is an upgrade to an existing product line rather than something new, so I suspect they'll offer the same release and pre-order dates internationally.

The queues won't be very long if Samsung get their way. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...78I6NL20110920

i agree, gadget show has become boring,predictable and cheesy and i only watch for pollyanna, but i like my iPhone, it does what i want it to do very well and without any fuss.

Ive tried other O/S's didnt get on with them so went back to iPhone.

Just sick of people on this forum (not everyone) judging iPhone users because of the type of phone they like.

Those people really need to get over it!
Get a life some of you

I guess if Samsung really wanted, they could scupper apple completely by denying them the products they use to make the iphone considering Samsung make most if it!!

Yep. DS used to have a fair few out & out Apple "fanboys", who would endlessly praise Apple and its products, and steadfastly refuse to listen to any criticism, no matter how valid (remember the "death grip" threads?!). Maybe some are left, but I believe most have been banned for various reasons.


Perhaps "haters" is the wrong word, but DS certainly has a number of members who are effectively the opposite of Apple "fanboys"... Members who jump on every Apple thread so they can post un-constructive comments slagging off Apple products and Apple users. They're not people who "see other sides of an argument", they just appear to be people who delight in making posts calling Apple users "sheep" and Apple products "hyped up crap", "overpriced crap", etc. etc. Hardly objective discussion, and it seems to happen in most Apple threads.

Also, just because somebody has chosen to be an Apple customer, it does not mean that they have been "taken in by Apple's marketing" (as edEx already said earlier).

I can't see it happening but boy would it be funny.

According to a report Samsung is going to sue Apple in Korea over patents they hold there.

The simple fact of the matter is that patents have to be defended on a legal basis or you run the risk of losing them. Apple, Samsung, Nokia, HTC, etc all have patents and they're all suing each other. In almost every case it won't actually result in the products being taken off sale, it'll simply mean that the patent infringer will pay the patent holder a license fee for usage. It's all much more dull than it seems.

Well Apple were quite happy to prevent sales of competing Samsung products (albeit temporarily). I would think that yes, Samsung are more like to 'reach agreement' with Apple to stop this nonsense rather than to block iphone forever, but yes it would be funny. Particularly if it was an 11th hour motion, with the queues already in place

Not what I meant....It was about the swathes of budget android owners not the top of the range owners. Many of which jumped onto the Orange San Francisco etc. train. It wasn't meant to infer the iPhone was any more expensive than say the SGS2 for example.

What I can't understand is why Apple are desperate to block the sales. Can't they just demand royalties off Android phones for patent infringements as Microsoft are doing?

High priced contracts are really the last hiding place here. In the competitive market we have now have single core high end Acer, Sony and Dell PAYG phones selling at between £150 and £200.

And on the free but never never contracts, dual core ones now start at £15 a month. Yet the iPhone 4 keeps an attractive exclusive enigmatic feel by pricing its contracts at £30 a month,

Oh they could (assuming they had a case, most claims have been thrown out) but why settle for a licence fee when you can block the competition and tie someone else into your system, which generates revenue for apple with every app ans song sold.

Problem for apple is there is no agreement to reach. Every single patent was thrown out apart from one which is to do with the way pictures are shown which is a google issue.

In regards to the Galaxy Tablet looking like an ipad, well apple were caught lying through their teeth on that one!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14542200

To me it seems apple are desperate to keep their lead in the smartphone and tablet market. They have seen Samsung come along with much better products for the same price and apple don't like it.

Like i said earlier, i think apple have a cheek suing the people who supply most of the iphone! If i was Samsung i would pull all production of chips and retina screens. See how funny apple think that is.

I don't understand it at all why Apple is going mad with all these patent lawsuits.

I can't see why Apple would be "desperate" about keeping any lead it has.

OK, its lead over Samsung in the smartphone market isn't much, and of course iOS' share is lower than the overall Android share (given that there are far more Android phones available, for various budgets), but Apple is still the "worldwide number one single manufacturer of smartphones by revenue, profit, and volume".

As for tablets...No reason for Apple to worry at all, certainly no need for it to be "desperate". Its competition in the tablet market is pretty much insignificant. The original Galaxy Tab allegedly didn't sell very well. The Motorola Xoom (originally priced the same as the iPad 2 until poor sales led to a price slash) shipped only 440,000 units in Motorola's last quarter, and the RIM PlayBook (originally priced the same as the iPad 2 until poor sales led to a price slash) shipped only 200,000 units in RIM's last quarter, and 500,000 in the quarter before that. Compare that with 9.25 million iPads in Apple's last quarter... No numbers yet for the Galaxy Tab 10.1, but I doubt that they'll be impressive (although I'd hope they wouldn't be as pathetic as the Xoom & PlayBook's numbers!) - it has the same problem the other high-end competition for the iPad has: It costs the same...


As for "much better products for the same price " - Phone, yes. Tablet? No. The Tab 10.1 has a fairly similar spec. to the iPad, hardly "much better" (same CPU as the iPad 2, inferior GPU to the iPad 2, more RAM than the iPad 2) and is lacking in the thing that matters more to most people than tech specs: Apps. There aren't enough Honeycomb apps yet. I very much doubt that "apple don't like it" that Samsung's products cost the same, given that Apple knows it will sell every iPad 2 it makes, whereas every tablet so far which has been priced the same as the iPad has hardly been what you could call a success. There just isn't any real (as in successful) competition in the tablet market... It's more like the MP3 player market than the smartphone market. Apple totally dominates it.

I said in another thread recently that hopefully the Amazon tablet will finally provide some real competition, so long as Amazon undercuts Apple. Like Apple, Amazon has a strong brand, and would control the whole ecosystem.


I totally agree with you though that it's bloody cheeky to be suing the company that makes most of the parts for the iPhone (& iPad). As above, I don't understand it. It's absolute nonsense.

You are no doubt still waiting for some competition for the iPhone 3GS .
Windows never got a limited designer type label so its doubtful users want the same on Android.

It looks like users very much prefer a big smartphone. This just does not exist for IOS.

wow, you really believe thats the way to run a company? That would just add another lawsuit to the ongoing set but this time it would for breach of contract and anti-competitive practises.

Because they got burned by Microsoft back in the 80s and are now paranoid about it.

Presumably the reason that it got as far as a blocking injunction was because Samsung weren't willing to pay a license fee for the relevant patent.

I think the whole patent thing is utterly ridiculous. I'm sick of hearing X is suing Y, Y is countersuing... just pay each other the bloody license fees and get on with making great phones that the rest of us can enjoy!

You can only settle for a license fee if the other party is willing to offer one. Blocking sales is the step after the other party has refused to license.