Anyone know how Jeremy Kyle Show is doing in the states?

A new one off Christmas comedy for BBC One: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pre.../lapland.shtml

Should do well.

Ideally I would have liked it to have been much further ahead of Xtra Factor than that mere whisker, but I guess the outcome of the TXF twist left some ITV1 viewers reeling to the extent that they wanted more. A less "OMGWTF?!" outcome next week will likely produce a wider gap.

BB has been very stable and can build of these numbers next year. I'm incredibly relaxed about it now.

FYI not ITV progs for w/e 2nd October 2011, clearly they're running late again (3 weeks in a row - tsk tsk)

in the meantime, here's the top 10 MC's

1 AN IDIOT ABROAD 2 (FRI 2100) Sky 1 2.2
2 CELEBRITY JUICE (THU 2201) ITV2 1.93
3 LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (SUN 1533) Sky Sports 1 1.85
4 THE ONLY WAY IS ESSEX (SUN 2215) ITV2 1.47
5 THE ONLY WAY IS ESSEX (WED 2201) ITV2 1.31
6 THE X FACTOR USA (FRI 2101) ITV2 1.1
7 DON'T TELL THE BRIDE (TUE 2102) BBC 3 1.07
8 THE X FACTOR USA (THU 2001) ITV2 1.03
9 LIVE FORD FOOTBALL SPECIAL-MATCH (SAT 1200) Sky Sports 2 1.01
10 EASTENDERS (TUE 2202) BBC 3 1.01

This is what i don't understand if BB can build on the numbers next year why can't X Factor. Strictly had a bad year in 2009 but look what happend in 2010. There is no reason X Factor can't do the same but with what people are saying X Factor will never get more then 2009 again. I don't understand that

As Dancc said, they're reporting the facts which is fair enough. TXF was down -1.8m for its Saturday show vs. last year (or -1.3m including +1).

I suppose partly due to the 35-minute SCD clash, it was always going to be down from last year's figures- if last year's show for example had clashed for 35 mins against SCD, it probably would've rated at c11.5m rather than c12m. But in saying that, it was also down from 2009 which had a (longer) SCD clash, so there's other reasons as to why it was down too- probably just generally less interest in the show right now than at the same stage last year and in 2009.

I'm sure ITV and the producers, Simon Cowell in particular, will do their upmost to get the best figures possible and try to narrow the y-o-y gap for upcoming episodes but they should be able to live with a -10% y-o-y decline for it. It's a drop compared to what was easily TXF's most watched series ever last year. If the show was dropping -10% compared to relatively low comparative figures or mediocre numbers, then a -10% decline would be pretty concerning. At this stage, they just have to make sure that the drop isn't too much, as although we can't say anything for certain, I'm pretty sure last year will end up being the show's highest peak and it won't hit those kind of numbers again as it heads towards the downwards curve of the cycle. IMO, it's all limiting the y-o-y drops from now on.

How do we think Channel 4's new daytime lineup will fair today?

11:00am: Phil Spencer: Secret Agent (New Series)
4:00pm: Deal or No Deal (Live)
5:00pm: Celebrity Coach Trip (New Series)
5:30pm: Celebrity Come Dine with Me (New Series)

I can't remember the last time C4 aired a new show at 11am. DOND should do really well, even I might tune in out of curiosity to see how well it will work in a live setting. Coach Trip's lineup of celebs is very uninspiring with Michael Barrymore about the only contestant anybody is likely to have heard of, but CDWM has at least a couple of names involved that should be draws.

But your saying it's all downhill from here. Did you say that when Strictly had a bad series in 2009. Is there any reason why X Factor can't build next year.

OMG Jonwo you predicted the future! (well, sorta)

Just been announced that Channel 5 have picked up the rights to Dallas:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011...make-channel-5

What do we think guys, a good acquisition?

I think the "belief" is that the only way Big Brother CAN go is up - of course thats not a logical assumption, but it seems to be held widely.

Similarly, because The X Factor ratings were so high the belief seems to be that it can only decrease. Again not a logical position, but widely held too.

I'm not sure how much of an indicator the US ratings for a show are for its UK success (I'm not dismissing the point I really don't know if that's any kind of indication). It is however worth mentioning that whilst neither Parks & Rec or Community have large total viewer bases they both skew young and Parks in particular has a very healthy 'upmarket' 18-34 skew. As I think I mentioned earlier in the thread if I'm remembering rightly the average audience income for Parks & Rec and 30 Rock are some of the highest on US television. My point here being that they wouldn't really need to be huge audience pullers partly because Five should be able to get them reasonably cheaply and partly because their audience profile elsewhere makes them desirable shows for advertisers.

I'd also point out that Five don't have unlimited funds and at this stage I suspect they could get Community, Parks & Rec and probably Up All Night for a similar price to what they'd have to pay for Big Bang Theory alone (because there's noway C4 let that go without a fight). The key agenda for Five right now shouldn't be buying in pre-established hits but buying in shows that will get the audience and critics talking about them in a positive way. That's particularly true if they want to attract a younger audience. Five are in a position where they have to buy smart.


I'll point out a few things here.

It is incredibly annoying how defensive (some) people get about The X Factor's ratings. Obviously it is still pulling in very impressive audiences but the fact that its down noticeably from the past two years and is on course to have a series average that will be noticeably below the past two series of the show is newsworthy. And there's really no way to say The X Factor dropped 1 million+ viewers vs. last year in a positive way. Whether or not you care to admit it that is a cause of concern for ITV.

Secondly I would suggest the fact that you're having an 'if you add +1 figures...' conversation is a pretty good indicator that the show isn't as strong as it once was.

At this stage the major problem The X Factor has is the general lack of interest in this years contestants. In previous years the interest levels in the finalists has been obsessive but this year all of them have just slipped under the radar a little. If you look at someone like Kitty for example they were clearly hoping she would provoke similar reactions to Katie last year but it hasn't really worked. That the whole series has so far played out like a greatest hits of The X Factor collection doesn't help. You can see that contestants have been selected because they're a bit like previous contestant x.

On a more specific note I think the twist was a pretty big failure. It didn't make for particularly dramatic or compelling television and nothing about the results that came from it were shocking or unexpected. I suspect the whole thing would have worked much better if there had been a public vote to produce a bottom two in each category. That would have at least provided the possibility for some surprising results.


Middle of the pack for the new crop of daytime shows sold into syndication this season. Moving toward the lower end in general for daytime talk shows as a whole though. So not a disaster but not spectacularly well either. I suspect he's probably cheap enough that it'll keep going for sometime though.

If I remember rightly Strictly had a bad year in '09 because it was moved later in the schedule and clashed more with The X Factor. Last year it was moved back to an earlier slot limiting the clashes and as a result the numbers went back up (or have I got my Strictly scheduling confused?). I think the problem The X Factor has right now is that its not clear what has led to the drop so its hard to know how or indeed if they can fix it going forward.


Not good.

Lol, the Beeb need to get the said a$$e onto SCD-that would create an entire series worth of hype and interest in one go.
Strong for both ITV and BBC last night-Spooks ratings have got a bashing in the press as they are roughly half of what DA is getting but it wins on the fact its a decent rating and an excellent alternative.
Great results for Strictly and Countryfile, the latter 7 million plus in its earlier slot -no doubt the calendar decision providing a leg up to a certain extent. And if 9.8 million have such an interest in who gets chucked at this early stage its looking good for SCD.
As for XF, well great result but maybe suffering a little because it feels so much more serious this year(tell me if Im wrong)-arguably getting closer to where a talent show should be.The pantomime panel has gone with just the jester left and the dynamic is different and maybe some of the very loose casual viewers havent bothered. Also is there a daft act this year?

data is live, Goonies figure for C5 is misleading (2 separate halves)

The Problem is that is went So high last year there was so much hype about it. This year Strictly and X Factor have clashed for half a hour and when Strictly finished X Factor got 11m that tells you that it needs to start at 8:00. And the program before got 2.5m when last year the program before had 5m

why is ITV's Data missing again

because they're late providing their programme logs (I did say earlier )

No, I didn't say that with Strictly because although 2009 was a 'bad' series, it still rated quite similar to the year before. In 2008 it averaged 9.65m, in 2009 it averaged 9.35m, a drop of just 0.3m. And the couple of series before those rated at about 9m. So pretty similar numbers for it 4 years in a row. Considering the following year, there were no XF clashes, there was a huge chance that the show could grow in 2010 (or at least remain stable) which it did end up doing.

Last year's XF was a phenomenon- it averaged 14.1m in the consolidated ratings, well above the averages it had in previous years. Therefore that bar for that series is incredibly high to match, relative to how the show usually had rated the previous 3 years. It's not like SCD which had 4 series in a row all rating at around 9m mark. TXF had 14.1m for last year's series which was up from 13m the previous year, which itself was up from 10.5m the year before, which itself was up from 8.6m the previous year. Every year, we were all surprised that it kept growing.

Now finally, it's shown signs of its audience declining and I don't think there's much that can be done now to get the show back up y-o-y to 2010 levels. Last year everything they did was spot on- they had the perfect set of contestants, controversy, buzz etc. Sometimes shows hit a peak and no matter what you do in the future to try and replicate that, the show won't hit those numbers again. I feel last year was that time for XF. I suppose next year the series could remain flat vs. 2011 or maybe even go up a little bit like +1%, but I just can't see it hitting the numbers it did last year again. A similar situation to BGT, which just got it absolutely spot on in 2009 with the whole Susan Boyle thing, and I can't see that ever hitting those kind of levels again. It's not necessarily a bad thing- it's just what happens with TV shows: often one year they'll rate incredibly well but then that'll end up being the show's peak and from then on, it's just a matter of maintaining that audience and ensuring y-o-y drops are relatively small. That time comes for every TV show and to me, it seems like it's come now for XF. The fortunate thing for TXF is that because it's still so big in terms of raw numbers, even if it drops -5% every year from now on (and as I said earlier this paragraph that might not even be the case some years when it could remain pretty stable), it would probably still be the #1 show in five years' time. They just have to make sure there's no massive decline for a series or massive cock-up such as what Big Brother, for example, experienced post-2007.

The headlines have invariably had a negative overtone, the implication being that this is some sort of crisis for the show, when in reality most TV shows would kill for the ratings X Factor still manages to attract. Yes it's down on last year, I don't think that's really come as a massive surprise to anyone. It was going to go down at some point.

i 100% agree with what you say rzt I don't thin the show will ever get back to that 14.1 rating. As you say in 5 years time it Would still be the number 1 show that's why i said to dancc they can't have any more huge controversy like Autotune because if they do the show could flop big time. If they don't have a big controversy i think it will be around for a few more years.

And as you say Strictly has been the same for about 4 years. there is no reason X Factor can't do the same if there isn't a massive cock-up

I dont get all this talk of an XFactor ratings disaster, yes compared to last year the ratings are down. But including +1 its not that much, and IMO its only fair to include +1 as if someone records the programme on ITV1 and watches it one hour later they then skip through the ads, but if they watch it on +1 they watch the ads. So from ITVs standpoint its much better for people to watch on +1 that to record ITV1.
To me this series of X Factor is poorer than last years, the judges just cant do the drama. Gary especially, as while he is very popular he just cant do Cowell. Kelly and Tulisa dont have the drama or glamour of Biffa and Danni either. I think Cowell would have done better to get Jessie J just like The Voice.

Strictly and Countryfile did really well for BBC1, and the film on C4 did better than the last few premieres. Although it would have done better out of the autumn. Prehaps before the X Factor/ Strictly live shows or in January.

Excellent ratings for both the Xtra Factor and TOWIE, beating Big Brother on C5 when you include +1. Apparently also Two Shoes wants to be on TOWIE, could be some sort of tie in there to boost ratings. TOWIEs ratings even in the first series are hot because of its Wednesday showing which usualy get 400-500k fewer viewers than on a Sunday.

On Saturday Ross is doing as expected, I dont think many people thought he would get above 4.5m and between 3.8m and 4.2m was always more realistic. I think ITV will be semi pleased.

The thing with The X Factor is if it was beating 2009's figures people on here, at least, would not be making such a thing of it. The fact it's down on 2009 is the concern; not down on 2010 - it was always going to be that. That's still a superb rating and hopefully it'll grow as I think it's a much stronger line up than last time round. I think ITV1 should swap Holding Out For A Hero and TV Burp around; I think TV Burp would perform better against Strictly than in the earlier slot. Both recorded poor figures this time round. Downton Abbey remained steady and The Sunday Night Show at least managed above 2m though that's disappointing compared to the winter series.

Quite a strong night for BBC One with everything holding up very well. Strangely, their most disappointing rating will probably be at 10.25pm where U2 struggled against, frankly, poor rating competition. Strictly Come Dancing performed excellently though; Countrywise pulled a superb figure at 6.25 and Antiques Roadshow did very well as X Factor filler. Spooks sustained it's audience opposite Downton Abbey.

Groundhog Day as far as Big Brother is concerned with unspectacularly low but relatively stable ratings. It says something when it's a good result if the programme beats the ITV2 opposition, to be honest. Rush Hour did quite well at 10pm, though and Groundhog Day held up from 5.55 though, as expected, didn't hit the heights of Mrs. Doubtfire. Warship does seem out of place but I keep saying that.

Transformers performed very well for Channel 4 but their schedule collapsed after that, and as Sweeney Todd was a network premiere I think it should've performed better.

BBC Two had a competent if unspectacular night up until 10pm where Milk collapsed. Is How To Win In The Den part of a series or a repeat of a repeat of a repeat? I keep seeing it pop up everywhere!

I don't dispute that but the OP said that ITV instigated the clash (which was correct for last weekend) but for this weekend the BBC are pushing Strictly back by 25 minutes; if they had left it where it was then the two shows would've only clashed for five. Even if The X Factor had started in it's previous 8pm slot there would've been a clash of 15 minutes. So in this case the BBC are instigating the clash.

Fudd that episode was down on 2009 but not with the series average at the stage at the moment. if you include +1 its

2009: 10.6m
2011: 11.1m

But if we include +1 it is WELL up on 2009. I think this series will continue to grow. There is no real X Factor Crisis.