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Old 10-10-2011, 17:43
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It has remained relatively flat series on series although I think the last series was down due to airing in January against tough competition. Think it'll do 1.6-1.8m for the first episode. I do think should there be another series and if they can fit in Paul's schedule, they should send him to Australia!
And if ever he gets fed up with long journeys, he could do four separate series about England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

I like this kind of stuff. Much better than documentaries about faces falling off and extra limbs. I hope it rates really well.
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Old 10-10-2011, 17:44
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Clearly, you can see where the commercial breaks are and how when time-shifted there is less of an increment (but importantly still a sizeable increase!).
Do those figures show how many timeshifters are watching or skipping the ad breaks?
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Old 10-10-2011, 17:46
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And if ever he gets fed up with long journeys, he could do four separate series about England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland.

I like this kind of stuff. Much better than documentaries about faces falling off and extra limbs. I hope it rates really well.
He's already done Ireland as part of the Europe Series.

In other news. Channel 5 have picked up Dallas but I imagine due to the Olympics it won't air until August or September,
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Old 10-10-2011, 17:51
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Apologies, I've been busy with various things. As it happens I forgot that BARB don't create network break averages for ITV1 as spots aren't sold on a network basis (otherwise it gets a bit complicated in matching up the spot times). However, to give you a rough idea of the impact of the breaks, here are the minute by minute Live, Live + VOSDAL (Overnights) and Consolidated XF audiences (000s) for 10th September. Apologies for formatting, not sure how to make it look pretty? (ITV1, HD Not included)
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Clearly, you can see where the commercial breaks are and how when time-shifted there is less of an increment (but importantly still a sizeable increase!). In terms of the impact of how Overnights are interpreted (including commercials) by some, if you crudely (I haven't looked at the actual programme/commercial times) remove these minutes from the Live+VOSDAL figures and create two averages you can see that ave audience increases from 9.8m to 10.1m simply by removing the commercial minutes (as is the case with consolidated audiences). Clearly, this will change from programme to programme dependent on the number of commercials etc etc
Thanks. Lots to chew on! If I'm reading the table correctly, %TSV is what %age of the consolidated viewing was watched "recorded" and thus, when the ads were on, we can assume that about 5-8% of the BARB panel didn't skip them, either due to indifference, sloth, having a VCR, or having a PVR without a "skip 4mins" function! It would be very interesting to see the same stats in, say, 2 years time (or from 2 years ago) to see if that figure had dropped as the number of PVRs increased!

Edit: Does anyone know if the BARB recording treats "FFx30" as still "watching"?

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Old 10-10-2011, 17:53
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Sunday 9th October Overnights
BBC One
18:25- Countryfile: 7.2m (33.1%)
19:25- Strictly Come Dancing Results: 9.8m (38.3%)
20:00- Antiques Roadshow: 5.8m (20.8%)
21:00- Spooks: 4.5m (16.5%)
Great ratings for the BBC1 shows. Strictly did brilliantly to be up 600k on the same stage last year, considering last year was its highest ever series. Clearly though, some of that increase will be down to the ridiculous opposition ITV1 are currently offering with Holding Out For A Hero. ITV are risking letting Strictly get much bigger this year if they leave things as they are. Countryfile increased to mega levels as expected and Spooks saw a small rise, however the share was static week-on-week.

ITV1 (inc ITV1+1)
19:00- Holding Out for a Hero: 2.5m (9.9%)
20:00- The X Factor Results: 11.9m (41.1%)
* 5-minute peak: 13.9m
21:00- Downton Abbey: 9.0m (32.6%)
Taking X-Factor by its own standards I think it did reasonably well. It does look underwhelming compared to last year but it was unlikely to be up in that area. The fact that it is still peaking at 13.9m suggests there is still a lot of interest in the result. I imagine they could boost it by making some new stories up if they really go for it, seems a bit early in the competition for that though! On the whole I think, like RZT says, it has peaked, just a case of making sure it remains stable or doesn't drop too much year-on-year.

Holding Out For A Hero had 2.29m (9.4%) without +1, which is probably the biggest waste of an X-Factor lead-in/lead-out ITV have ever had. (The Prisoner was worse but that was BGT)

Channel 4 (inc C4+1)
18:10- Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: 2.5m (8.4%)
21:00- Fighting on the Front Line: 1.0m (3.2%)
22:00- Sweeney Todd: 0.7m (4.7%)
Transformers did really well for Channel 4, considering its slot. Last year on the same night Channel 4 only had 600k (2.5%) in the 8pm hour. Sweeny Todd not too good.

Channel 5
17:55- Groundhog Day: 0.9m (4.1%)
20:00- Warship: 0.4m (1.3%)
21:00- Big Brother: 1.2m (4.5%)
22:00- Rush Hour: 0.9m (7.0%)
Channel 5 did OKish. 0.9m for their movies nothing to get too excited about.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:01
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Do those figures show how many timeshifters are watching or skipping the ad breaks?
Doing from the chat the consolidated figures minus the live figures, you can see how many timeshifted for each 'minute' and the massive fall during the adverts:

Code:
20:15 - 1369
20:16 - 1741
20:17 - 1968
20:18 - 2123
20:19 - 2341
20:20 - 2506
20:21 - 2621
20:22 - 2644
20:23 - 2609
20:24 - 2608
20:25 - 2536
20:26 - 2370
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20:27 - 749
20:28 - 488
20:29 - 465
20:30 - 588
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20:31 - 2168
20:32 - 2591
20:33 - 2632
20:34 - 2675
20:35 - 2742
20:36 - 2834
20:37 - 2940
20:38 - 2960
20:39 - 2886
20:40 - 2778
20:41 - 2589
20:42 - 1232
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20:43 - 529
20:44 - 389
20:45 - 420
20:46 - 1033
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20:47 - 2692
20:48 - 2712
20:49 - 2698
20:50 - 2759
20:51 - 2761
20:52 - 2792
20:53 - 2745
20:54 - 2650
20:55 - 2713
20:56 - 2637
20:57 - 2600
20:58 - 2110
20:59 - 947
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21:00 - 646
21:01 - 543
21:02 - 605
21:03 - 610
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21:04 - 1613
21:05 - 2494
21:06 - 2654
21:07 - 2820
21:08 - 2808
21:09 - 2824
21:10 - 2687
21:11 - 2573
21:12 - 2445
21:13 - 2288
21:14 - 1534
So for this particular example, for those that watch later, about 0.5m choose to actually watch the adverts, for some odd reason.

EDIT - just a note, trickytree's example excludes HD, but I doubt the patterns are any different to SD.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:02
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BBC One are starting Strictly at 6.25pm next week. If they had stuck to 6pm it would have finished at 7.50pm - only five minutes into The X Factor.
If only there was an ITV1+1 channel...
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:17
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The BBC should not really be competing for viewers, as this is not in their remit.


Of course the BBC need to compete for viewers! Every broadcaster needs to do that, regardless of which of the three UK funding models they use.

We can't have BBC One retreating from certain slots just because there happens to be a Ratings Thread Favourite on ITV1 at the same time.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:27
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Here's trickytree1979's post in graph form for anyone interested: http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9748/xfactor.png
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:29
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Merlin is doing nicely too, though I always confuse it with Robin Hood (is that still going?)
Robin Hood was canceled in 2009. Merlin is already recommissioned for 2012.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:36
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I don't dispute that but the OP said that ITV instigated the clash (which was correct for last weekend) but for this weekend the BBC are pushing Strictly back by 25 minutes; if they had left it where it was then the two shows would've only clashed for five. Even if The X Factor had started in it's previous 8pm slot there would've been a clash of 15 minutes. So in this case the BBC are instigating the clash.
SCD was at 6.25pm in the provisional schedule, and in the final schedule. Rather sporting of the BBC to give ITV their exact Saturday night schedule six days earlier than they needed to, I thought.

Remember, Final Score is back this weekend, so unless you advocate ending that programme before the football matches have finished, I don't see how earlier than 6.25pm was possible for SCD.

Remember, too, there's an ITV1+1 channel now, which is presumably why ITV are happy to start XF anywhere from 7.30pm onwards.

And, remember further, X Factor is only a television show, not a matter of life and death.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:37
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Robin Hood was canceled in 2009. Merlin is already recommissioned for 2012.
Shows how clued up I am...
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:38
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As expected, alot of talk about TXF on here today. The figures are underwhelming compared to 2010 and 2009 especially last year as there was so much going on. The endless stories of auto-tune, guest judges, Cheryl's malaria, the return of Cheryl and Dannii at Judges Houses, Gamu-gate, the wild-card acts, the Katie/Wagner stories really did send the show sky high. Everything was so right last year hence it getting such massive ratings. This year, I don't care what people say, the press hasn't been as massive. OK the new panel obviously generated alot of interest. And some controversial decisions at judges houses and the twist also produced headlines, but apart from that, I can't really think of much. The stories of the 2010 series seems almost endless. The ratings inc. +1 are good. Not great, not bad. They just need to control the decline by not making any big mistakes. I can see it climbing further as the live shows continue and the duration of Saturday's shows decreases.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:40
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IIRC it got some awful ratings in its final run. I think it went down to 2/3 million, and I think below 2 million when it had to be moved from BBC1 to 2 for a Murray/Triocki Wimbledon match.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:41
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As expected, alot of talk about TXF on here today. The figures are underwhelming compared to 2010 and 2009 especially last year as there was so much going on. The endless stories of auto-tune, guest judges, Cheryl's malaria, the return of Cheryl and Dannii at Judges Houses, Gamu-gate, the wild-card acts, the Katie/Wagner stories really did send the show sky high. Everything was so right last year hence it getting such massive ratings. This year, I don't care what people say, the press hasn't been as massive. OK the new panel obviously generated alot of interest. And some controversial decisions at judges houses and the twist also produced headlines, but apart from that, I can't really think of much. The stories of the 2010 series seems almost endless. The ratings inc. +1 are good. Not great, not bad. They just need to control the decline by not making any big mistakes. I can see it climbing further as the live shows continue and the duration of Saturday's shows decreases.
The hype last year surrounding XF was crazy. It was inevitable that, after the peaks of last year, this year would be a relatively quieter affair.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:42
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5.55 Strictly Come Dancing
7.45 Merlin
8.30 National Lottery
9.20 Casualty
10.10 BBC News
10.30 Match of the Day
4.00 Final Score
4.40 News
4.55 MasterChef

And where are you getting the fifty-minute National Lottery show from? There aren't any left in the can.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:44
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4.00 Final Score
4.40 News
4.55 MasterChef

And where are you getting the fifty-minute National Lottery show from? There aren't any left in the can.
Would it not be better, although slightly OT, if we returned to the 20-minute National Lottery shows with just the draw itself. It could pave the way for something new in the BBC1 schedule because I think that, though it is a reliable enough performer, the Lotto gameshows are getting quite tired now.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:46
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The hype last year surrounding XF was crazy. It was inevitable that, after the peaks of last year, this year would be a relatively quieter affair.
I Agree as Roscoe says though i think it will grown as the Live shows reach the End. Not 2010 figures but maybe inbetween last year and 2009
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:47
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The hype last year surrounding XF was crazy. It was inevitable that, after the peaks of last year, this year would be a relatively quieter affair.
To be fair it's had it's fair share of hype. The fact is, the New Generation haven't proven themselves as worthy competitors to their predecessors and the media's not as interested.

It's whether or not they can pull enough stunts to whip up a frenzy and boost the judges' profiles that will be the clincher in all of this.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:50
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Just read the Waily Fail's article about the X Factor ratings. My favourite part is the description of a drop from 13.5m to 12.7m as "massive".

Ridiculous use of Strictly's figures too, downplaying its success last night.

The Daily Mail seems to exist solely to cause trouble and stir things; I think it's the absolute lowest of the low where papers are concerned. I wouldn't wipe my arse with it.
I wouldn't wipe mine with it, either.

Even if I was getting first use of it!
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:57
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According to ITV Media, there's going to be a Take Me Out 'extension show' on ITV2 for its next series, I'm guessing similar to Xtra Factor/More Talent etc. Also they say it's starting in Q1 2012 so it doesn't look like it'll be getting TXF Final lead-in for its series opener like last year. I suspect it'll launch on 7th January 2012.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:58
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To be fair it's had it's fair share of hype. The fact is, the New Generation haven't proven themselves as worthy competitors to their predecessors and the media's not as interested.

It's whether or not they can pull enough stunts to whip up a frenzy and boost the judges' profiles that will be the clincher in all of this.
Did one of the Judges fall ill no, was one of the judges pregnant no, did we have Autotune this year no. There hasn't been any hype at all, Last year i can remmber seeing almost everypaper having a X Factor story on the front cover. This year that has not happened.

The New Judges have proven themselves very Worthy IMO It was going to be very hard to follow in the other judges footsteps and they seem to have done well as shown by the ratings
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:59
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That Sunday Night Show has not returned very well.
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Old 10-10-2011, 18:59
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Would it not be better, although slightly OT, if we returned to the 20-minute National Lottery shows with just the draw itself. It could pave the way for something new in the BBC1 schedule because I think that, though it is a reliable enough performer, the Lotto gameshows are getting quite tired now.
I was quite a fan of the later 20 or 25-minute Lottery shows, with a couple of music acts as guests.

The BBC's lottery contract runs out at the end of 2012, so I doubt we're going to see any innovation in the formats unless or until they avoid being outbid for the rights from 2013 onwards.
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Old 10-10-2011, 19:04
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Wonder what will replace Spooks on Sunday, my guess would be either Empire or Frozen Planet with the other going on Mondays. Frozen Planet is 6 or 7 episodes while Empire is 5 episodes,
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