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With the show skewing so young I'm not surprised they're going for an ITV2 extension show. Obviously it won't get Xtra Factor/BGMT numbers but if it can get 0.5-0.7m with a nice young skew it'll be a job well done as ITV2's Saturday nights with no spin off show can be a bit grim. As for the main show thinking about it I can see why they aren't launching it on XF Final weekend as it would have to skip 2 weeks (Xmas Eve and New Year's Eve) 2 episodes into the series, so it isn't worth the fuss. I just hope they pair it up with something decent this time in January (not Primeval!) and it could then get a consistent c.5m throughout the run. Ideally it'd be Dancing on Ice at 7pm, TMO at 8:30pm and Jonathan Ross or something at 9:45pm, but they don't seem to want that.
Incidentally, any word on what's happening with Ant & Dec next year? Push The Button just hasn't done the job and it must have been embarrassing for the duo to be beaten by Nick Knowles on a weekly basis. I wonder if they'll try something new or go back to Takeaway? Personally, I'd like to see them do a new non-game show type show but I wouldn't be surprised if Takeaway returned. Quote:
As for the 9pm spin-off, I suspect that'll be for ITV2 if ITV are in any way involved with it.
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IIRC, weren't the HD overnights for the second performance episode a bit dodgy last year? I remember everyone being surprised that it only got c.0.3m on ITV1 HD (and how low the ITV1 HD overnights were across the board that night) instead of its usual c.0.8m and then it timeshifted back to normal. The second performances show last year got an overnight of 11.5m but if there was a cock-up with the overnights (and I think there was) then it should have been c.12m instead, meaning that there was barely a drop for the second performances show. I think the retention will actually be pretty strong this year too.
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Yeah, I can see why they'd want to do a TMO spin-off and delay the start of the series till 2012. On ITV2, about 0.5m would be decent for that time of the year on a Saturday night, with its young-skewing audience. Speaking of Take Me Out, I do think there is quite a lot of potential with this show. Obviously it's a bit of trash/guilty pleasure TV, but considering how it skews - 30% in the 16-34s/more popular than shows like SCD and DOI in the demo - ITV needs to make a bigger deal about it. What I mean by that is try and get some newspaper/magazine support like other 'reality' shows and "leak" stories of contestants, have a press launch, have deals with magazines where the girls model for them etc. I suppose having a spin-off show is someway towards "making a bigger deal" about it. The third series of reality shows (I know it's not really 'reality' but you know what I mean) is when they tend to break out and I think the potential is there with TMO to go above its 4.5-5.0m level of ratings if it's given that extra marketing push. I would advise ITV that rather than spending a lot of money on marketing for a new entertainment show, which will most likely flop if recent track record is anything to go by, spend that money on promotionally pushing TMO a lot next series to try and get it into the 5-6m mark consistently. I think it can get there- it's the type of show which can generate the "buzz" to get more people watching as the series progresses unlike many of their other non-big hitter light entertainment shows.
Incidentally, any word on what's happening with Ant & Dec next year? Push The Button just hasn't done the job and it must have been embarrassing for the duo to be beaten by Nick Knowles on a weekly basis. I wonder if they'll try something new or go back to Takeaway? Personally, I'd like to see them do a new non-game show type show but I wouldn't be surprised if Takeaway returned. I think Watch are more likely to get that Primeval spin-off than ITV2 considering the BBC America/UKTV links. I just don't think ITV has much, if any, faith in the franchise anymore after the way the series poorly performed earlier this year. Oh yeah, you're right. I'd forgotten about the HD issue for live show 2 last year. I guess if it can retain 98% of the audience week-on-week (which is what it seemed to be last year factoring in HD) it'll manage to stay above 10m (exc +1). The later start will help that cause. I think for the following week, ITV should just play it at 8.10-10.10pm meaning there's probably just a 5min clash against SCD (assuming that finishes at 8.15pm). JR might lose 0.5m of its audience but XF would probably gain 0.5m for its audience rather than clashing for 30 mins against SCD and TV Burp would be boosted by airing in the slightly later slot. The pros outweigh the cons, and it's better for everyone involved: SCD's rating would go up too due to the smaller clash. |
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According to ITV Media, there's going to be a Take Me Out 'extension show' on ITV2 for its next series, I'm guessing similar to Xtra Factor/More Talent etc. Also they say it's starting in Q1 2012 so it doesn't look like it'll be getting TXF Final lead-in for its series opener like last year. I suspect it'll launch on 7th January 2012.
![]() Going back to the breakdowns from earlier posted by trickytree it now makes the Live + VODSAL breakdown from The X Factor more interesting I think: 19:30 - 8.29m (30.7%) 19:45 - 8.66m (32.0%) 20:00 - 10.73m (40.1%) 20:15 - 11.52m (42.2%) 20:30 - 11.09m (41.9%) 20:45 - 11.29m (43.9%) 21:00 - 10.82m (43.4%) 21:15 - 10.31m (41.7%) 21:30 - 10.69m (42.9%) 21:45 - 10.95m (44.6%) I'm wondering two things: a) how many watched The X Factor 'live' from 7:30pm (including HD) compared with Strictly Come Dancing? Using some calculations from trickytree1979's breakdown with Live versus Live + VODSAL, were only 7 million watching the first 15-minutes of The X Factor live? b) how many watched The X Factor on 'VODSAL' before 2am, but chose to watch the last hour/75 minutes on Sunday, hence partially being excluded from the overnights? Similar applies to Strictly with regards to the above, how many were watching Strictly 'live' from 6:00pm?
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but the BBC show was ridiculous because it wasnt live. The results were known about all day on the internet before the show aired.
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IIRC it got some awful ratings in its final run. I think it went down to 2/3 million, and I think below 2 million when it had to be moved from BBC1 to 2 for a Murray/Triocki Wimbledon match.
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Wonder what will replace Spooks on Sunday, my guess would be either Empire or Frozen Planet with the other going on Mondays. Frozen Planet is 6 or 7 episodes while Empire is 5 episodes,
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The Sunday specials haven't rated that highly (6/7 million). I think something like Emmerdale is more suited to Sunday nights.
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An absolute disaster of a night for ABC Sunday night in the US. Desperate Housewives - 2.7 Pan Am - 1.9 That's a tied series low for Housewives and a cancellation worthy figure for Pan Am. With Grey's also falling on Thursday and Dancing with the Stars hitting series lows as well ABC have got to be entering panic mode at this point. On the plus side they still have Modern Family which looks like it'll become what The Office was to NBC for the past few years. In other US news in a scheduling decision I can't make sense of Fox have opted to pull new episodes of New Girl (their highest rated show) for the rest of October in favour of extended two-hour editions of The X Factor. Originally X Factor was supposed to be 90 minutes with New Girl at 9:30. The X Factor itself is all over the schedule as Fox schedule it around baseball. Quote:
The pilot script must have been good for Larry Hagman and Patrick Duffy to return. It was never exactly hard hitting television so I think it should do well if they make it as over the top as the original.
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I'm old enough to remember when it had 22 million viewers and was the biggest talking point on the television in 1980 due to Who Shot JR? I'm sure a million or so nostalgia freaks like me might tune in to the remake.
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It has already been announced that ITV will air the Primevel spin-off, the future of Primeval itself has yet to be announced, but I wouldnt bet on seeing another series.
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But it's not like the BBC put out a press release with the results in, the reason they're on the internet is because people who were in the audience post about it. But that's the same as one of the crew in EastEnders giving away a plot they've seen recorded. I'd say about 0.1% of the Strictly audience know the result before they watch.
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But it's not like the BBC put out a press release with the results in, the reason they're on the internet is because people who were in the audience post about it. But that's the same as one of the crew in EastEnders giving away a plot they've seen recorded. I'd say about 0.1% of the Strictly audience know the result before they watch.
Yes, but given Robin Hood himself said he wasn't going to do another series, it seemed pointless to bring it back anyway, although apart from the episode opposite Britain's Got Talent and the episode on BBC2 (which was also at the wrong time) I don't think it did too badly. There's an interview with Jeremy Paxman in the Guardian today where he moans that despite the book of Empire already being out, the series won't be on until the new year. Well the Sunday Corries haven't rated that highly because people always forget they're on. Different when they show extra episodes on Wednesdays because there's obvious crossover from Emmerdale and they could promote it during that. But why the soaps aren't on Sunday baffles me, given when Dancing On Ice isn't on Sunday early evenings collapse completely, and it just makes the weeknight schedules look boring. It had a curious history coming back in a blaze of glory but being a bit PC for some people. The final series I thought was brilliant, being far more straightforwardly traditional than before-ironically probably losing part of its new audience in the process. |
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BARB Top 20 Updates, w/e 2nd October
Most Watched Shows of 2011 [Top 20 - Officials]
01 - 13.95m - THE ROYAL WEDDING (29/04/11) - BBC1/HD/BBC NEWS 02 - 12.63m - BRITAIN'S GOT TALENT (04/06/11) - ITV1/HD 03 - 12.56m - CORONATION STREET (14/02/11) - ITV1/HD 04 - 12.41m - THE X FACTOR (18/09/11) - ITV1/HD 05 - 11.42m - EASTENDERS (03/01/11) - BBC1/HD 06 - 11.16m - DOWNTON ABBEY (25/09/11) - ITV1/HD 07 - 10.76m - BBC NEWS (29/04/11) - BBC1/HD 08 - 10.31m - DOC MARTIN (19/09/11) - ITV1/HD 09 - 10.26m - COMIC RELIEF (18/03/11) - BBC1/HD 10 - 10.24m - THE APPRENTICE (17/07/11) - BBC1/HD 11 - 10.23m - DANCING ON ICE (09/01/11) - ITV1/HD 12 - 9.87m - NEW TRICKS (15/08/11) - BBC1/HD 13 - 9.68m - THE EUROVISION SONG CONTEST (14/05/11) - BBC1/HD 14 - 9.52m - EMMERDALE (13/01/11) - ITV1/HD 15 - 9.14m - STRICTLY COME DANCING (30/09/11) - BBC1/HD 16 - 9.11m - SCOTT & BAILEY (29/05/11) - ITV1/HD 17 - 8.86m - DOCTOR WHO (23/04/11) - BBC1/HD 18 - 8.80m - BIG FAT GYPSY WEDDINGS (08/02/11) - C4 19 - 8.80m - COME FLY WITH ME (01/01/11) - BBC1/HD 20 - 8.69m - WILD AT HEART (09/01/11) - ITV1/HD Notes: - No duplicates: i.e. no BGT/DOI in there twice. - HD audience included for all programmes airing on HD - BBC1 HD is bundled in automatically with BBC1 - ITV1 +1 excluded - The Royal Wedding is BBC1 and BBC News only. Most Watched Multichannel Shows of 2011 [Top 20 - Officials] 01 - 2.69m - LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (06/02/11) - Sky Sports 1 02 - 2.66m - AN IDIOT ABROAD (23/09/11) - Sky1 03 - 2.63m - GLEE (17/01/11) - E4 04 - 2.25m - CELEBRITY JUICE (19/05/11) - ITV2 05 - 2.00m - HATTIE (19/01/11) - BBC4 06 - 2.00m - TROLLIED (04/08/11) - Sky1 07 - 1.99m - BRITAIN'S GOT MORE TALENT (04/06/11) - ITV2 08 - 1.97m - LIVE FORD FOOTBALL SPECIAL (01/03/11) - Sky Sports 2 09 - 1.94m - UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE LIVE (12/04/11) - Sky Sports 2 10 - 1.88m - THE ONLY WAY IS ESSEX (25/09/11) - ITV2 11 - 1.81m - LIVE FA COMMUNITY SHIELD FOOTBALL (07/08/11) - Sky Sports 1 12 - 1.77m - MAD DOGS (03/03/11) - Sky1 13 - 1.72m - EASTENDERS (30/05/11) - BBC3 14 - 1.71m - FAMILY GUY (22/05/11) - BBC3 15 - 1.69m - JUNIOR DOCTORS (15/03/11) - BBC3 16 - 1.67m - LIVE FORD MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (22/08/11) - Sky Sports 1 17 - 1.58m - THE XTRA FACTOR (10/09/11) 18 - 1.57m - BEING HUMAN (23/01/11) - BBC3 19 - 1.56m - FILM: INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (25/04/11) - BBC3 20 - 1.49m - FILM: INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE (30/04/11) - BBC3 Source: BARB. Excludes +1, Includes HD for Terrestrial Chart. Only 1 programme per 'show', i.e. only one Ford Super Sunday game. The X Factor USA is holding at around 1 million on ITV2, with Glee now at that range on Sky1, which probably will be a disappointment for them. At the moment, if we're to break up the main chart, you've got: 8 = Entertainment 6 = Drama 3 = Soap 2 = News/Special 1 = Comedy |
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Odd as well when we mention fantasy that the BBC seemed to let Survivors end on a cliffhanger. I know ratings weren't too good for the second series, but 4 million still tuned in and there were too many loose ends. However, it did suffer the curse of Julie Graham, who appeared in the abysmal Bonekickers( a drama flop I'm surprised the ITV istas don't mention more often) and helped to kill off The Bill.
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Does anyone know if the BARB recording treats "FFx30" as still "watching"?
Sometimes, I back up and add four minutes to the run time. Of course, then I don't see them at all. If I was an advertiser, I'd rather the viewer FF through the break, rather than not see anything. |
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Odd as well when we mention fantasy that the BBC seemed to let Survivors end on a cliffhanger. I know ratings weren't too good for the second series, but 4 million still tuned in and there were too many loose ends. However, it did suffer the curse of Julie Graham, who appeared in the abysmal Bonekickers( a drama flop I'm surprised the ITV istas don't mention more often) and helped to kill off The Bill.
Robin Hood really suffered from having the villians being more liked than the heroes and they killed off both Marian and Robin. I think a fourth series were to reboot with a new Robin. |
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Fantastic ratings for Both SCD and X Factor.
I expected X Factor to have more like 12-13million but still a good figure. I think it will make 13million in timeshift. Excellent for SCD. I think this series could perform exceptionally well. Shame Edwina went first though. It will be 10m+ in the officials too. |
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That Sunday Night Show has not returned very well.
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Odd as well when we mention fantasy that the BBC seemed to let Survivors end on a cliffhanger. I know ratings weren't too good for the second series, but 4 million still tuned in and there were too many loose ends. However, it did suffer the curse of Julie Graham, who appeared in the abysmal Bonekickers( a drama flop I'm surprised the ITV istas don't mention more often) and helped to kill off The Bill.
As regards to Bonekickers, nuff said. And Survivors - I didn't think it was that bad in Series 1 to be honest. It was a quite linear format though. |
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Odd as well when we mention fantasy that the BBC seemed to let Survivors end on a cliffhanger. I know ratings weren't too good for the second series, but 4 million still tuned in and there were too many loose ends. However, it did suffer the curse of Julie Graham, who appeared in the abysmal Bonekickers( a drama flop I'm surprised the ITV istas don't mention more often) and helped to kill off The Bill.
![]() However, Bonekickers didnt do that badly, it started with 6.99m and the last episode got 4.38m, not good or worthy of a second series but far from terrible. I dont think the BBC cared if there were many loose ends on Survivors, 4m just wasnt enough for what would have been a very expensive show to make. |
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Julie Graham was in an episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures last year, and look where that is now
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BBC One's remaining family audience comedy after the cancellation of My Family has also been axed, the British Comedy Guide understands.
The sitcom, about a husband and wife on their second marriage and their respective children, ran for three series on BBC One between January 2009 and June 2011, totalling 20 episodes. Starring Caroline Quentin as wife Maddy and Neil Dudgeon as husband Jim, the broad sitcom failed to capture a notable fan-base and - as a mainstream, family-aimed comedy - was almost universally loathed by critics. However, the programme often gained respectable (if not wavering) audiences, opening with 4.5 million viewers for the first episode of Series 3 in April. The final episode in June was watched by 2.31 million viewers, a 10% audience share. |
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I don't think ITV have enough advert allowance to show all of that in one night. One of the soaps would have to run without an advert break. (I think)
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Edit: Does anyone know if the BARB recording treats "FFx30" as still "watching"? K Additionally, in response to Derek500, Thinkbox have done some regular research on the issue of engagement of advertising at non normal speeds which is quite interesting, clearly it's a trade body that has a story to tell but they do some interesting research I would recommend looking at from time to time. http://www.thinkbox.tv/server/show/nav.853 |
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Most Watched Multichannel Shows of 2011 [Top 20 - Officials]
01 - 2.69m - LIVE FORD SUPER SUNDAY - MATCH (06/02/11) - Sky Sports 1 02 - 2.66m - AN IDIOT ABROAD (23/09/11) - Sky1 03 - 2.63m - GLEE (17/01/11) - E4 04 - 2.25m - CELEBRITY JUICE (19/05/11) - ITV2 05 - 2.00m - HATTIE (19/01/11) - BBC4 06 - 2.00m - TROLLIED (04/08/11) - Sky1 07 - 1.99m - BRITAIN'S GOT MORE TALENT (04/06/11) - ITV2 08 - 1.97m - LIVE FORD FOOTBALL SPECIAL (01/03/11) - Sky Sports 2 09 - 1.94m - UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE LIVE (12/04/11) - Sky Sports 2 10 - 1.88m - THE ONLY WAY IS ESSEX (25/09/11) - ITV2 11 - 1.81m - LIVE FA COMMUNITY SHIELD FOOTBALL (07/08/11) - Sky Sports 1 12 - 1.77m - MAD DOGS (03/03/11) - Sky1 13 - 1.72m - EASTENDERS (30/05/11) - BBC3 14 - 1.71m - FAMILY GUY (22/05/11) - BBC3 15 - 1.69m - JUNIOR DOCTORS (15/03/11) - BBC3 16 - 1.67m - LIVE FORD MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL (22/08/11) - Sky Sports 1 17 - 1.58m - THE XTRA FACTOR (10/09/11) 18 - 1.57m - BEING HUMAN (23/01/11) - BBC3 19 - 1.56m - FILM: INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL (25/04/11) - BBC3 20 - 1.49m - FILM: INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE (30/04/11) - BBC3 Source: BARB. Excludes +1, Includes HD for Terrestrial Chart. Only 1 programme per 'show', i.e. only one Ford Super Sunday game. The X Factor USA is holding at around 1 million on ITV2, with Glee now at that range on Sky1, which probably will be a disappointment for them. |
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The debate about what constitutes "prime time" has been going on throughout the 5 year lifespan of this thread that you have only so recently started polluting.
ITV, understandably, wants primetime to run narrowly from 7-10pm given how its best rating shows all air in that window each day. All of its press and PR guff about its primetime victories assumes this narrow window applies. The BBC, understandably, wants it to cover a wider period which includes its successful programming in the 6pm hour and 10pm hours. I believe Ofcom favours a definition of primetime running 6pm to 10.30pm. DS chooses to report the ITV-favoured measure - and that's perverse on weekends in particular, when you have some of the best peforming shows of the year airing pre-7pm on BBC1 on Saturdays and (with CF moving earlier) on Sundays. Ultimately, primetime is whatever the individual channels decide. I'd say ITV1 and BBC1 are 7pm-10pm while Channel 4 and 5 are 8pm-11pm. Quote:
I do wonder if X Factor is being slightly hurt by the very poor lead-in this year. At least last year you had a programme before it where 5 million were essentially 'waiting around' for X Factor.
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The suggestion that The X Factor is being dragged down by its lead-in seems absurd to me. Of all the excuses you can make for the drop a poor lead-in isn't one of them. I think you also have to remember that this is down on 2009 as well so its not just a simple case of the 2010 series being an artificial high it can't possibly hope to match. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be able to match the 2009 series at this stage.
Also, last year the widely held belief was that the series would be down on 2009. X Factor isn't "losing viewers" just now, it's just not gaining them at the same rate as last year. Since the start of this series it has been pretty steady. Whereas last year was gathering momentum at a far greater rate. The judges aren't generating the kind of press that the show had last year which is part of the issue. Kelly has now made 2 decisions that, had they been made by Cheryl last year, would have sparked far more controversy. At this stage, all they can do is hope that the judges become higher profile as the show progresses. Quote:
In other US news in a scheduling decision I can't make sense of Fox have opted to pull new episodes of New Girl (their highest rated show) for the rest of October in favour of extended two-hour editions of The X Factor. Originally X Factor was supposed to be 90 minutes with New Girl at 9:30. The X Factor itself is all over the schedule as Fox schedule it around baseball.
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My guess is that they have concluded after several experiments (including Raising Hope last week) that comedies don't perform well in those slots. It's a shame to break the momentum, though. Especially when the World Series is likely to be down quite a bit on last year. CBS need to sort their overrun problen, someone on another forum suggested comedies which I think would work but I think CBS will expand Thursday rather than add another comedy block plus it would be overkill! |
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What Australia Watched: Monday 10th October
Junior MasterChef finishes third in its timeslot as Big Bang Theory premieres big.
Seven 19:00 Home & Away: 1.10m 19:30 The X Factor: 1.31m 21:00 Body of Proof: 0.92m Nine 19:00 The Big Bang Theory (R): 1.12m 19:30 New Series: The Big Bang Theory: 1.51m 20:00 The Big Bang Theory: 1.61m 20:30 The Mentalist: 1.14m Ten 19:00 The 7pm Project: 0.71m 19:30 Junior MasterChef: 0.84m 20:30 Undercover Boss Australia: 0.80m Awesome night for Nine. The Mentalist is doing great numbers now it's back on Monday nights. |
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Hey Guys! I'm trying to get hold of some ratings information for an essay, and I'm wondering if anyone has the top 10 rated programmes for the years 2004-2010? I've searched and could get the last few years pretty easily but the earlier years are pretty tough! I know some of you guys keep files of them, so if any of you have the top 10's for 2004-2010 and could send me them ... I'd be very happy!
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