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Anyone have ratings for Deal or no Deal for yesterday please?, channel 4, 16:00, thanks
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Over in the US after a couple of weeks of bad news ABC finally have some reason to be happy. Tim Allen's new sitcom Last Man Standing debuted with a 3.5 across the 8PM hour. We'll see how well it holds up over the coming weeks and how well its stable mate Man Up will do when it debuts at 8:30 next week but for now its a win for ABC.
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Why ITV rates so low on Tuesdays I'm not sure...
With the changes to their football contract from next Autumn, what we'll see now is basically the cheap Tuesday programmes move to Wednesdays and Thursdays, quite evenly balanced between Wed/Thu I suspect. Their Tuesday primetime % will rise to a respectable level on football nights, but I suspect we'll witness the Wednesday and Thursday primetime %s drop, especially Thursdays which is going to lose Corrie. They probably won't drop down to 12-13% shares like what's happening on Tuesdays at the moment because all the rubbish stuff is all packed in on one night at the moment, but I suspect rather than getting something like: Tuesday- 13%, Wednesday- 20%, Thursday- 21% = Average- 18% as they are at the moment, it'll be something like: Tuesday- 17%, Wednesday- 19%, Thursday- 17% = Average- 18%. So the same sort of average across the three nights but more evenly spread shares rather than the really skewed ones they experience at the moment. As sn_22 says though, that Thursday 20.30-22.00 block looks like a potential min-FlopZone to me. If they play comedies on this night (as what's been suggested), they might get the occasional successful show, but they'll get a lot of flops along the way because comedy has a low hit rate. Factual shows in that 9pm Thursday slot, I reckon, won't do too much better than how factual shows are rating in the 9pm Tuesday slot at the moment. So there's definitely, I feel, a major problem looming there on Thursday nights. With Wednesdays, the Corrie 19.30 will bring a good lead-in for the 8pm programme: they ought to keep Midsomer Murders and the awards ceremonies on this night which will bring in pretty good ratings for about ~20 weeks of the year. The other 30 weeks though will be quite difficult to fill and could result in some relatively low ratings. But with the 40 hour increased investment in drama for 2013, I would suggest they try some pre-watershed dramas in that Wednesday 8pm slot for 20 weeks of the year and play some dramas at 9pm too. With the Corrie lead-in, I think the potential is there on Wednesday nights for them to get decent ratings at 8pm for pretty good dramas in that slot and bring some stability there. I think the major issue though will be, as I said, the Thursday 20.30-22.00 zone which looks like a big problem and also on non-football Tuesday nights. |
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rzt,
dont forget ITV is upping the drama budget next year so there will be more of that in the 2012 schedule & less factual |
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rzt,
dont forget ITV is upping the drama budget next year so there will be more of that in the 2012 schedule & less factual Quote:
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Do you know the consolidated ratings for it yet?
01: 0.93m 02: 0.83m 03: 0.95m 04: 0.80m 05: 0.87m 06: 0.77m Total weekly reach is averaging: 1.25m |
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With the changes to their football contract from next Autumn, what we'll see now is basically the cheap Tuesday programmes move to Wednesdays and Thursdays, quite evenly balanced between Wed/Thu I suspect. Their Tuesday primetime % will rise to a respectable level on football nights, but I suspect we'll witness the Wednesday and Thursday primetime %s drop, especially Thursdays which is going to lose Corrie. They probably won't drop down to 12-13% shares like what's happening on Tuesdays at the moment because all the rubbish stuff is all packed in on one night at the moment, but I suspect rather than getting something like: Tuesday- 13%, Wednesday- 20%, Thursday- 21% = Average- 18% as they are at the moment, it'll be something like: Tuesday- 17%, Wednesday- 19%, Thursday- 17% = Average- 18%. So the same sort of average across the three nights but more evenly spread shares rather than the really skewed ones they experience at the moment.
As sn_22 says though, that Thursday 20.30-22.00 block looks like a potential min-FlopZone to me. If they play comedies on this night (as what's been suggested), they might get the occasional successful show, but they'll get a lot of flops along the way because comedy has a low hit rate. Factual shows in that 9pm Thursday slot, I reckon, won't do too much better than how factual shows are rating in the 9pm Tuesday slot at the moment. So there's definitely, I feel, a major problem looming there on Thursday nights. With Wednesdays, the Corrie 19.30 will bring a good lead-in for the 8pm programme: they ought to keep Midsomer Murders and the awards ceremonies on this night which will bring in pretty good ratings for about ~20 weeks of the year. The other 30 weeks though will be quite difficult to fill and could result in some relatively low ratings. But with the 40 hour increased investment in drama for 2013, I would suggest they try some pre-watershed dramas in that Wednesday 8pm slot for 20 weeks of the year and play some dramas at 9pm too. With the Corrie lead-in, I think the potential is there on Wednesday nights for them to get decent ratings at 8pm for pretty good dramas in that slot and bring some stability there. I think the major issue though will be, as I said, the Thursday 20.30-22.00 zone which looks like a big problem and also on non-football Tuesday nights. It just boils down to not enough hit shows for too many slots. As you say, Tuesdays are going to be a lot better off with the football returning to that night next year but then Wednesdays will be slightly weakened and Thursdays dented a lot. The expression rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic springs to mind. ITV1 desperately needs a Waterloo Road type show that can air run for most of the year in an 8pm slot and get 4m+. If only they hadnt buggered up The Bill. |
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All would be solved if their Factual and Entertainment departments commissioned some decent shows. They don't even have to be big hits - just not the stinkers that they serve up with alarming regularity.
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True, but your statement still didn't make any sense. How could it "drag down" the night when it was their best performer in terms of audience share?
![]() You might as well say Emmerdale dragged down ITV1 last night. ![]() but CSI Miami was down vy alot apparently so it wasn't a good night so the whole part of that post was abit redundant! ![]() ![]() ![]() rzt, do you have any idea how Jo Brands Big Splash did on Dave? I would like to know how original commissions do on those type of channels. |
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All would be solved if their Factual and Entertainment departments commissioned some decent shows. They don't even have to be big hits - just not the stinkers that they serve up with alarming regularity.
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Interesting regarding Downton Abbey considering I read a few months back that Julian Fellows was writing Series 4 scripts as well as Series 3.
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This is what the document says:
We will immediately invest to make the three versions of BBC One in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland broadcast in high definition by the end of 2012. However, we do not believe it is affordable or good value for money to convert the current BBC Two variants in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to high definition. The current standard definition variants on BBC Two will be maintained at least until 2015 while we review their long-term future... Quote:
2.2m for Kyle's game show.
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Are they definitely upping the drama budget next year? As it's a European Championship year, I would've thought the drama budget will remain stable y-o-y (or even go down) due to increased investment in sports, which means less or about the same money spent on drama.
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Better scheduling to have X Factor starting at 8pm. Not really sure what the thinking was behind the 7.30pm and 7.45pm starts: maybe the first two studio shows were just overlong, maybe ITV thought it would be more resilient against Strictly Come Dancing, maybe they were worried about Ross's ratings, or maybe they were just trying to bully BBC One into starting Strictly Come Dancing at about 5.30pm.
Horrible ratings for Kyle's quiz last night. I was worried I'd gone a little low with my 2.4m prediction. Turns out I hadn't gone low enough. Welcome back, Zoe. I hope your naked rambling holiday was enjoyable.
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Yikes, awful for ITV1 last night. It's like ITV1 and Tuesday's are a disease. It just ocurred to me why ITV may be putting episodes of Corrie on Wednesday and doubling up on Emmerdale sometimes on Wednesday's.... I think they're going to be doing this for I'm a Celebrity's evictions....
19:00 - Emmerdale 19:30 - I'm a Celebrity 21:00 - Coronation Street 21:30 - I'm a Celebrity... Results I hope I'm wrong, though. |
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Horrible ratings for Kyle's quiz last night. I was worried I'd gone a little low with my 2.4m prediction. Turns out I hadn't gone low enough.
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I was kicking myself because I'm sure initially I put down 2.2 but I chickened out at the last minute thinking I was letting my opinion of Kyle cloud my judgement.
![]() I thought I'd been too harsh with my prediction because of my feelings.
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I upped my prediction, based on not wanting to make it look like I was showing an anti ITV bias.
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Yikes, awful for ITV1 last night. It's like ITV1 and Tuesday's are a disease. It just ocurred to me why ITV may be putting episodes of Corrie on Wednesday and doubling up on Emmerdale sometimes on Wednesday's.... I think they're going to be doing this for I'm a Celebrity's evictions....
19:00 - Emmerdale 19:30 - I'm a Celebrity 21:00 - Coronation Street 21:30 - I'm a Celebrity... Results I hope I'm wrong, though. ![]() I must admit I've been wondering where all the extra Emmerdales and Coronation Sts are coming from. Quote:
I upped my prediction, based on not wanting to make it look like I was showing an anti ITV bias.
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Assuming High Stakes is only 6 parts, he probably recorded it in a day or two. Hardly a massive undertaking.
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Good post Rzt.
It just boils down to not enough hit shows for too many slots. As you say, Tuesdays are going to be a lot better off with the football returning to that night next year but then Wednesdays will be slightly weakened and Thursdays dented a lot. The expression rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic springs to mind. ITV1 desperately needs a Waterloo Road type show that can air run for most of the year in an 8pm slot and get 4m+. If only they hadnt buggered up The Bill. When it switched to an hour-long episode in '98, it was only on Tuesdays from August to October. It used to regularly get 10/11 million. If only The Bill could have remained in this Tuesday slot instead of moving to Wednesdays later on, maybe ITV wouldn't be in such a spot of bother on Tuesdays. |
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Yikes, awful for ITV1 last night. It's like ITV1 and Tuesday's are a disease. It just ocurred to me why ITV may be putting episodes of Corrie on Wednesday and doubling up on Emmerdale sometimes on Wednesday's.... I think they're going to be doing this for I'm a Celebrity's evictions....
19:00 - Emmerdale 19:30 - I'm a Celebrity 21:00 - Coronation Street 21:30 - I'm a Celebrity... Results I hope I'm wrong, though. |
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Speaking of which, when is I'm a Celebrity starting? Early November?
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Yikes, awful for ITV1 last night. It's like ITV1 and Tuesday's are a disease. It just ocurred to me why ITV may be putting episodes of Corrie on Wednesday and doubling up on Emmerdale sometimes on Wednesday's.... I think they're going to be doing this for I'm a Celebrity's evictions....
19:00 - Emmerdale 19:30 - I'm a Celebrity 21:00 - Coronation Street 21:30 - I'm a Celebrity... Results I hope I'm wrong, though. |
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at the whole of ITV1 last night (bar Emmerdale). Totally terrible. I wasn't expecting Jeremy Kyle's gameshow to do much, but that figure is dire. I wonder if it'll dip below 2m?! Could be a major problem for ITV. Meanwhile 71DN is still plodding along. It's not a bad show IMO but the day/slot pretty much gives it no chance. On side note, with ITV1 flopping badly on a Tuesday shouldn't the shows on BBC1 be doing abit better?! Yeah the figures are good but with that set of ratings I'm surprised Holby isn't hitting 6m yet. Shameless continues its run of bad ratings. In fairness this half of the series hasn't been as bad as the first half but this is the worst series ever IMO. If they do another 22-episode run next year I think it will be over the show. Looks like its going to end on a soar note which it most definitely doesn't deserve. As for the Tuesday problem been fixed by the football next year and causing problems for the rest of the schedule I don't really agree on. Sure, Thursday is going to have a few problems, but Corrie returning to the Wednesday slot is certainly the right move. The gap from Monday to Thursday just makes it lose momentum instantly. Possibly moving the 20.30 Corrie on a Friday to Thursday would work, but then that opens problems for Friday then. Who knows they might just order another Corrie to prop up the schedule! ![]() ![]() And welcome back Zoe!!
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Over in the US after a couple of weeks of bad news ABC finally have some reason to be happy. Tim Allen's new sitcom Last Man Standing debuted with a 3.5 across the 8PM hour. We'll see how well it holds up over the coming weeks and how well its stable mate Man Up will do when it debuts at 8:30 next week but for now its a win for ABC.
Meanwhile, some news on full-season/renewal pick-up: 1. Ringer receives a full season (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...llar-cw-245246). I suppose since all CW shows are performing well below their past season, Ringer seems to have satisfied the new network boss. Although, I was expecting The Secret Circle to get a full season first. Maybe it's a vote of confidence to Sarah Michelle Gellar more than the show. 2. Boardwalk Empire gets renewed (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...-empire-247428). After their Emmy successes, HBO has renewed the show for the third season. HBO has been saying how the reception has been very positive and "surpassing their expectations". 3. Prime Suspect gets more scripts (http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/12/nb...-more-scripts/). Just like Harry's Law, Prime Suspect has been ordered six more scripts from NBC. Getting more scripts is different from ordering more episodes, let alone a full season. I guess NBC don't want to make it three cancellations before midseason. Then again, The Sing-Off is continuing their piss-poor performance, so we can make it a three cancellations anyways. Interesting thing to note that NBC's cable sister channel, USA has beaten NBC not only in viewers, but in the key demos as well on Monday night (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...etwork/106943/). |
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I thought I'd been too harsh with my prediction because of my feelings. 