Ah you have IVC - otherwise known as In Vision Continuity. Northern Ireland is the last place in the western world to practice this.


The UTV website doesnt do figures for Surbiton unfortunately But yes the Norn Iron folks dont like the southern English much - neither side. They much prefer the Northern English which I suppose ITV still best represents.

There are some disturbing YouTube clips of the BBC dabbling in In Vision Continuity in the late 1970s or early 1980s.

For some reason those ratings have given me a mental image of people in NI rigging up coathanger aerials to watch EastEnders on RTE1 rather than BBC One, cos watching it on RTE would stop it being a BBC show.

Thanks. It seems a bit stupid - losing ABCs right to the Superbowl just to boost a sports channel.

Who's got the rights to it this year, and are there any rumours about how they're going to use it?

It has an ad break on RTE - it does ok for RTE but its a bit behind Coronation Street and Fair City, RTEs own 4 night a week soap

NBC has it for 2012. The Voice will be their lead-out programme.

NBC has the Super Bowl, CBS and Fox have the quarter-finals (Divisional Play-Off games) and the semi-finals (the Championship games).

http://www.chiff.com/recreation/sports/NFL-brackets.htm

RTE1
1 The Late Late Show 21:36 Fri 665
2 Up For The Match 21:50 Sat 474
3 Room To Improve 20:02 Wed 425
4 Prime Time 21:37 Tue 413
5 Fair City 20:02 Sun 404
6 Fair City 19:29 Wed 400
7 Fair City 20:03 Tue 400
8 Behind The Walls 21:36 Mon 399
9 Fair City 20:01 Thu 392
10 Nationwide 18:59 Mon 377
11 FILM: Marley & Me 21:38 Wed 359
12 Eastenders 19:28 Tue 347
13 Prime Time 21:37 Thu 346
14 Winning Streak 20:23 Sat 346
15 Mrs Brown's Boys 22:15 Thu 340
16 Eastenders 19:59 Mon 331
17 Celebrity Bainisteoir 18:32 Sun 330
18 Rescue 115 20:32 Tue 320
19 Nationwide 18:59 Fri 312
20 Eastenders 19:28 Thu 309

RTE2
1 The Sunday Game Live 15:28 Sun 943
2 Rugby World Cup 2011 Live 09:00 Sat 445
3 The Sunday Game Live 14:15 Sun 361
4 The Sunday Game 21:31 Sun 301
5 Masterchef Ireland 21:30 Thu 232
6 Masterchef Ireland 21:30 Tue 217
7 Champions League Live 19:30 Wed 188
8 Rugby World Cup Highlights 18:31 Sat 185
9 Masterchef Ireland 18:00 Sun 165
10 Don't Tell The Bride 22:33 Tue 143
11 Masterchef Ireland 19:01 Sun 137
12 Home And Away 18:33 Wed 129
13 The Good Wife 22:32 Thu 127
14 FILM: Perfect Stranger 20:59 Mon 125
15 Home And Away 18:32 Fri 120
16 Home And Away 18:31 Mon 117
17 Premier Soccer Saturday 20:00 Sat 110
18 Home And Away 18:32 Tue 107
19 Rugby World Cup Highlights 20:30 Thu 102
20 Home And Away 18:33 Thu 98

TV3

1 Coronation Street 19:28 Mon 386
2 Coronation Street 20:29 Fri 371
3 Coronation Street 20:32 Mon 361
4 Coronation Street 19:29 Fri 351
5 The X Factor 20:00 Sat 334
6 The X Factor 19:59 Sun 314
7 Emmerdale 18:59 Tue 264
8 The Xtra Factor 20:59 Sat 259
9 Emmerdale 19:00 Mon 253
10 Coronation Street 21:30 Thu 246
11 Emmerdale 19:00 Fri 240
12 Championship Live (GAA) 12:30 Sun 216
13 Emmerdale 19:00 Wed 212
14 The Xtra Factor 20:59 Sun 206
15 Emmerdale 20:31 Thu 187
16 Nothing To Declare 19:59 Mon 187
17 The Rise And Fall Of Fianna Fáil 22:00 Mon 169
18 All Star Family Fortunes 19:14 Sun 156
19 Tonight With Vincent Browne 23:01 Mon 153
20 Paul Connolly Investigates 21:01 Mon 148

Adults 15+, excludes news bulletins

I've often wondered if RTE put ads within BBC shows like EastEnders because the scheduling looks pretty tight, with some shows getting the same slot-lengths as they do on the BBC.

Does RTE have fewer ads than we get on ITV etc here, and fewer trails than we get on BBC and ITV?

Moving Monday Night Football has helped Disney as a whole greatly. There’s no chance ESPN would have grown as strong as it has without the aid of Monday Night Football and ESPN is now a huge money spinner. Bigger picture wise it has hurt ABC but not to the degree that many predicted it would although that’s primarily because they’ve had the likes of Dancing with the Stars, Grey’s Anatomy and Desperate Housewives sustaining them since it departed. With those shows now faltering things may be about to get incredibly uncomfortable for ABC.


ESPN would absolutely love to air the Super Bowl but they aren’t allowed. The NFL is insistent it airs on broadcast television to ensure that it remains the biggest television event of the year (the broadcast nets are pretty insistent on this as well). And they also insist that the broadcasters of the Super Bowl air regular season games as well which is a large part of the reason Fox and CBS lay down such a large chunk of change for the afternoon games, without them they wouldn’t be able to air the Super Bowl.

In terms of Sunday Night Football I’m sure CBS would be interested in it but NBC won’t let it go without a huge fight since it pretty much keeps their schedule afloat single handed. Last year NBC ended the Fall season a tenth ahead of ABC in the demo average pretty much entirely because of Sunday Night Football. By the end of the season they were two tenths behind ABC in the demo average.


Fox will be looking for it to hit similar demo numbers to The X Factor tonight at the very least. Ideally they'll be looking for more than that though. On the plus side for Fox the bar for scripted drama this year is pretty low. Assuming my memory hasn't failed me a 3.1 is the highest demo number we've seen for a new drama this season. Terra Nova should absolutely beat that tonight so Fox'll be able to spin as the biggest drama debut of the season at least.

On an X Factor related note its Live+3 numbers took it up to a 5.0 which is still below the Live+SD numbers of The Voice's debut on NBC. That's actually quite a terrible stat for Fox.

Some selected highlights from Live+3

Modern Family – 7.7 (1.7 / 28%)
Two and a Half Men – 12.1 (+1.4 / 13%)
New Girl – 6.0 (+1.2 / 25%)
Glee – 5.0 (+1 / 25%)
2 Broke Girls – 7.9 (+0.8 / 11%)
Up All Night – 3.1 (+0.7 / 29%)
X Factor [Wednesday] – 5.0 (+0.6 / 14%)
Ringer – 1.2 (+0.3 / 33%)
Dancing with the Stars [Monday] – 4.4 (+0.4 / 10%)

from memory RTE are allowed 6 minutes per hour versus 12 minutes per hour on TV3. I think they start EE about 2 minutes before BBC so they end at roughly the same time.

TV3 used to do the same with Coronation Street to annoy UTV - start a little before the network so viewers watch it on TV3 not UTV It annoys UTV as they sell quite a lot of Dublin based ads for the cable audience

No, I'm afraid you've added timeshift twice. 6.77m is the official number, and includes timeshift (+1.6m).

It's like this idea that with a news channel people wouldn't want news bulletins on the main channels - or the idea because people had more channels regional television isn't important. There has been nothing at all to suggest that.

He is spot on though with his assessment of BBC2 and how it was hit by both BBC3 and BBC4, plus of course any of it's big hits being snatched by BBC1. I still think Newsnight is an issue for BBC2 aswell - not so much the bulletin itself, but it being placed at 10.30pm. If BBC2 could play out films, drama etc. at 10pm I think it would have a much more appealing schedule.

Indeed. Also expect very heavy promotion for Smash, Awake and The Firm during the game itself.

ive always said that BBC 2 lost out when the digital channels launched.

I suspect ive been just as harsh on BBC Two, as anyone.

Thanks, George. I wonder how professional RTE are at starting the ad breaks in BBC shows. I hope they do a better job than the UKTV channels like GOLD and their mid-scene or mid-sentence switches to the ads.

I don’t think BBC2 lost out when the channels were launched but it has certainly lost out more recently with the increasing lack of definition and identity that has plagued not just BBC3 and 4 but BBC2 itself. Although actually that’s probably unfair on BBC3 which has been fairly well defined and I think fits its remit quite well it just happens that part of that remit has overlapped with what would traditionally be BBC2 territory.

Part of what needs to happen with DQF is that all of the BBC’s channels and stations need to be given their own specific remit and focus. Everything has started to overlap and become very integrated which isn’t strictly speaking a bad thing but it isn’t a great thing either and is no doubt leading to wasted spending.

ESPN also charges big subscriber fees from the cable providers so the combination of subscriber fees and ad rates makes it very profitable for Disney.

The Sunday Afternoon Games tend to do very well sometimes even better than Monday and Sunday Night Football especially when they overrun. Think CBS' afternoon football overrates FOX's afternoon football even though FOX pays $100m more for it.

True. Those three shows would get 20-25m+ on a weekly basis back then (not to mention DH had a massive 9-10 points in A18-49, some peaking weeks at 12). ABC did held their ground for a bit without football. Now, with DH ending this season and Grey's Anatomy being only capably diligent in 18-49 demo, ABC really needs Modern Family and few other new hit shows to make up for it. The Oscars (heavy promotions for ABC shows, esp. the yet-to-be-aired ones) come around every late February but that is pretty much late midseason.

Amazing, it shows that in Northern Ireland the loyalty to ITV, which has fallen away on the mainland, is still very strong. I know on Christmas Day it was the only part of the country where Emmerdale beat Doctor Who. Now I bet ITV1 could wish people in England were still as loyal to the one time people's channel.
Maybe as well, though, UTV is a very well established brand with its own announcers and identity and isn't run from London like the BBC, which is important to people over there.

This really is the best thread on DS, I know some people get a little carried away but in the main most people get on fine.

Enjoy university time D.M.N. but be sure to keep checking in during your down time or you will miss the GeorgeS / Robbie Sykes battles, the anti-BBC / ITV / C4 / C5 (delete as applicable) rants.... The last 3 months of the year are the real highlights of TV ratings - even if I can't get to my laptop, I always keep my phone close at hand.

But the great majority of UTV's programming is decided by London. BBC Northern Ireland has its own announcers and probably has about the same amount of local programming as UTV.

Seven
18:00 Seven News 1.30m
18:30 Today Tonight 1.21m
19:00 Home & Away 1.05m
19:30 The Force / 2011 Brownlow Medal: Blue Carpet Special 1.12m
20:30 2011 Brownlow Medal 1.13m until 23:15
*not shown in primetime in Sydney.

Nine
18:00 Nine News 1.02m
18:30 A Current Affair 0.98m
19:00 Two and a Half Men (R) 0.76m
19:30 The Farmer Wants a Wife 0.86m
20:30 Four Holidays 0.53m

Ten
18:30 6:30 with George Negus 0.43m
19:00 7pm Project 0.78m
19:30 Junior MasterChef 0.96m
*lowest rated non Friday episode ever.
20:30 Undercover Boss Australia 0.80m

Corporation Shares
Seven: 37.6%
Nine: 22.5%
Ten: 20.2%

Junior MasterChef seems to have gone off the boil, TEN must be praying that doesnt happen to MasterChef itself.

Junior Masterchef looks low - maybe TEN are in danger of over exposing the brand?



Thanks for the replies - I guess that makes sense though I wish the Super Bowl lead in would be used on new programming...or would there be too much of a risk of losing loads of viewers?

I imagine critics would have a fit if Newsnight was moved, but I think putting it at 11pm would allow BBC Two to air drama that isn't suitable for 9pm and films longer than 90 minutes.