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Nicole isn't a big name.
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Maybe Americans are just sick of talent shows? They already have Idol, Got Talent and The Voice.
I think they struggled for momentum. It was just so drawn out from the original announcement 21 months ago. That also allowed American Idol and The Voice to come in with X Factor elements (for example, Idol cut the age limit to 15, hence X Factor cutting to 12) and while X Factor was trying to gear up for its launch earlier this year, those 2 shows were generating more buzz. |
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Nicole isn't a big name. I think if you compare the panel for The Voice to The X Factor its a bit like night and day.
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Channel 4 top programs of 2011 so far:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ C4 -------------- C4 +1 ----------- C4 Official 01: Big Fat Gypsy Weddings 08/02/11 ----------------------------- 7.5m (29.2%) -------- 711k --------------- 8.80m 02: My Big Fat Royal Gypsy Wedding 28/04/11 --------------- 4.0m (16.5%) -------- 650k --------------- 4.56m 03: Embarrassing Bodies 04/02/11 ---------------------------------- 3.6m (14.9%) -------- 587k --------------- 4.17m 04: FILM premiere: Taken 05/03/11 -------------------------------- 3.2m (14.3%) -------- 505k --------------- 3.72m 05: Shameless 10/01/11 -------------------------------------------------- 3.1m (15.8%) -------- 355k --------------- 4.05m 06: Grand Designs 28/09/11 -------------------------------------------- 3.0m (13%) ----------- 441k ------------------------ 07: FILM: premiere: The Day The Earth Stood Still 19/6 - 3.0m (12.3%) -------- 633k --------------- 3.47m 08: FILM: premiere: Iron Man 2/01/11 ----------------------------- 3.0m (12.1%) -------- 561k --------------- 3.39m 09: Embarrassing Fat Bodies 6/06/11 ------------------------------ 3.0m (11.9%) -------- 504k --------------- 3.29m 10: The Real King's Speech 23/02/11 ------------------------------ 2.8m (11.3%) -------- 265k --------------- 3.31m 11: One Born Every Minute 14/02/11 ------------------------------- 2.8m (11.1%) -------- 374k --------------- 3.44m 12: Big Fat Quiz of the Year 2010 3/01/11 ------------------------ 2.7m (12.9%) -------- 400k --------------- 3.34m 13: 24 Hours In A&E 3/08/11 -------------------------------------------- 2.7m (12.7%) -------- 327k ---------------- 3.10m 14: Mary Portas: Secret Shopper 19/01/11 ---------------------- 2.7m (11.1%) -------- 349k ---------------- 3.36m 15: FILM premiere: Marley and Me 10/7/11 --------------------- 2.7m (~11%) -------- 505k ---------------- 3.18m 16: Million Pound Drop 04/02/11 ------------------------------------- 2.6m (14.2%) ------ ~180k ---------------- 2.79m 17: FILM: premiere: The Lovely Bones 24/07/11 ------------- 2.6m (13.7%) -------- 331k ---------------- 3.11m 18: Location, Location, Location 28/09/11 ---------------------- 2.6m (11.8%) --------- 208k ------------------------ 19: Britain's Fattest Man 5/01/11 -------------------------------------- 2.6m (11.3%) -------- 334k --------------- 3.01m 20: Undercover Boss 5/7/11 --------------------------------------------- 2.6m (11.2%) -------- 358k ---------------- 3.01m Last year's chart for comparison (there were no new entries after that post). C4 and C4 +1 are overnight ratings, C4 official are from the Barb website. All overnight ratings are averages for the full slot running time, rounded to 1 decimal place. Shows are ranked in order of overnight ratings. Each show only gets one mention in the list. Come Dine With Me would chart in 2011 ~ 2.6m but don't have exact rating Channel 4 bucked the trend amongst the terrestrials last night. Whilst the other channels were struggling in the heatwave with the total TV viewing levels well down week-on-week, it was able to bag series highs for both of its property programs. Grand Designs moved up 4 places in the chart and now seems to be shifting into the higher ratings it is known for, Location also did very well entering the chart for the first time this year. Grand Designs could yet rise further in the coming weeks; its highest overnight rating last year was 3.5m (exc +1). |
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Except for Simon Cowell and Nicole Scherzinger of course.
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The whole thing is essentially resting on Simon Cowell and him being paired with Paula again. r.
I think the relationship/chemistry between her and Simon and its appeal to America has been over estimated by Fox and Simon. Next year I expect some changes on the panel. |
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Nicole is seen as a bit of a flop in the U.S. since her solo stuff hasn't done that well. I think her current single is doing OK but Poison barely made the hot 100 I think
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US Ratings – Wednesday September 28
Free Agents has made its bid to be the first show pulled this season – I’m expecting an announcement on that schedule change before the end of the week particularly with Up All Night now in worrying territory. |
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Can I ask about American ratings.
Do the total viewers count for nothing? Are the networks only interested in the demo? Which is the percentage of 18-49 viewers? Quite amusing to see X Factor USA being a bit of a disappointment after hearing Cowell bang on about it for over a year as if it is unique and original TV |
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Location, Location, Location and Grand Designs put in superb performances for Channel 4; Fresh Meat didn't hold on to enough of it's lead in, really. Hollyoaks hit the 1m mark again which they'll be happy about and The Simpsons did very well at 6pm.
An average night for BBC One with a set of reasonable if not spectacular ratings. Waterloo Road seems to be performing steadily in the 7.30pm slot. Who Do You Think you Are? seems good for at least 4m viewers, no matter who the person covered is. The One Show appears to be returning to steady levels after a low summer. It's a shame Ask Rhod Gilbert can't claim more viewers in the post news slot. Big Brother dipped slightly but so did most shows on the night. Five will be pleased to hit 1m between 8pm and 10pm though Law and Order would do better with a complimentary schedule around it. OK TV! is still not doing very well even if it has seen a slight boost. Emmerdale's share is ok for ITV1 but the rating itself is poor. the football struggled as well, but Chelsea do not have the same pull as Manchester United. The highlights package performed reasonably well after the news. BBC Two didn't fall apart but didn't light up the ratings board either with a set of ratings around the 1.5m mark. Shooting Stars seems a bit low...was it a repeat? |
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Modern Family retained a decent demo figure from the launch and I guess it can afford to lose a bit more, though ABC will be hoping that it holds up. Suburgatory performed reasonably well in the 8.30pm slot;especially considering the weaker lead in. Is there anyway we can get the breakdowns to see if Modern Family boosted it late on?
Revenge's figure is ok for 10pm.CBS had a consistent night. I didn't expect Criminal Minds to beat Survivor - is that normal? CSI performed very well at 10pm; losing only a small percentage from the launch.3.9 is a good demo figure for a two hour show but FOX would've liked a lot more than that; American Idol would've managed that easily. The thing about The X Factor is momentum can be gained easily, but will it catch a break? Those are a set of poor ratings for NBC. Free Agents must be at the departures longue already with Harry's Law at check in. In turn, they hurt Law & Order: SVU which struggled in the 10pm hour. They'll be hoping that Up All Night can hang on to what it's got. |
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In a way, I think X Factor has been set up to fail. The absurd hype, the bullish way Cowell suggested it was going to storm all before it, the hoopla about judges. It's all just led to an increased sense of anti-climax when it actually premiered - and people realised the actual show was just a sort of cross between Idol and The Voice. I found this comedy skit on Conan quite telling: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...l-video-239698 Obviously, thats Conan and he'd take the mickey out of anything. But TXF is such an easy target and you get the sense so many are really wishing it to fail... Quote:
Can I ask about American ratings.
Do the total viewers count for nothing? Are the networks only interested in the demo? Which is the percentage of 18-49 viewers? Some channels will try to use their numbers in other demos to appeal to niche advertisers. Hence, The CW will go on about young women, or the Disney Channel will look for Kids or Tweens. Oddly, the demo you very rarely hear anything about is upmarket viewers - it's odd because ABC1 is one of the few demo's you hear about at all in relation to British TV. |
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Average night last night for the UK channels, apart from Channel 4 which appeared to benefit from the weather. Seems like daytime is suffering too for yesterday, from DS:
"Earlier in the day, Doctors entertained 1.29m (23.7%) on BBC One from 1.45pm, while Neighbours had 652k (11.9%) on Channel 5." I imagine over on ITV, Loose Women is under 1m by quite a bit now and Celebrity Masterchef must have been hurt by the warm weather. |
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I don't think The Voice really has many big names. Christina, yes. The other 3 have had varying levels of success in music recently but none are particularly high profile. I think they just ran a better marketing campaign with what they had.
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Why on earth NBC commissioned a show which flopped here for C4 both critically and in rating terms I don't know.
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Do the total viewers count for nothing? Are the networks only interested in the demo? Which is the percentage of 18-49 viewers?
Advertisers are only interested in the demos and as a result that's all networks care about. Generally speaking the 18-49 demo is the best gauge of how a primetime broadcast show is doing on cable that can change. Cable news for example is primarily judged on the 25-54 demographic and different cable networks target different age ranges and different sexes. Advertisers and networks actually have much more specific demographic breakdowns that they focus on but as a general rule of thumb shows that don't do well in the 18-49 don't do staggeringly well in any of those demos either. The 18-49 number itself is the percentage of total 18-49 year old's with a television who were watching the show. The share (which I haven't posted here) is the percentage of 18-49 year old's watching television who were tuned into any given show. For reference sake ABC's 18-49 ratings and shares for last night The Middle - 2.6 / 8 Suburgatory - 3.3 / 9 Modern Family - 5.6 / 14 Happy Endings - 3.2 / 8 Revenge - 2.7 / 7 So if you look at Revenge's numbers for last night 2.7% of 18-49 year old's with television access watched the show and 7% of 18-49's watching television at 10PM watched the show. For those that might be interested here's how the network shares (combined) in the 18-49 demo for each hour of primetime look 8PM - 36% 9PM - 36% 10PM - 20% So at no point last night were the majority of 18-49's who were watching television watching broadcasting. And that's pretty standard. |
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Oddly, the demo you very rarely hear anything about is upmarket viewers - it's odd because ABC1 is one of the few demo's you hear about at all in relation to British TV.
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You sound like a teacher admonishing rzt for handing in bad homework.
He's given you both sets of figures; if you want to add them together, do it yourself. |
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Can I ask about American ratings.
Do the total viewers count for nothing? Are the networks only interested in the demo? Which is the percentage of 18-49 viewers? Quite amusing to see X Factor USA being a bit of a disappointment after hearing Cowell bang on about it for over a year as if it is unique and original TV Quote:
I think people tend to underestimate how big Blake Shelton is. I'd agree that he maybe lack(ed) a big mainstream crossover following but he's a big country star and that's a pretty big market in the states. What The Voice did and that The X Factor hasn't though is put together a pretty diverse panel that all have their own following.
What I think NBC did was sell them better. As you say, they emphasised the diversity and the fact that they were all current stars and all a bit younger as well - a contrast at the time to Idol with Steven Tyler. Plus, the thing they did having them all perform together seemed to impress people. It seemed like a different kind of judging panel. |
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Neighbours had 652k (11.9%) on Channel 5."
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Another excellent number for Modern Family - I thought it'd be down more than that. Good news for ABC as well with Suburgatory starting considerably (27%) higher than Better With You last year. Happy Endings under 60% retention which isn't great. The 18% loss for Revenge doesn't look great but I guess it had a far lower lead-in. Considering ABC's recent history in that slot, they can't be too disappointed.
Not too bad a fall for X Factor - although it's skewing a bit old (43% were 18-49). Last Thursdays number surprised me a bit given how Idol typically shed viewers on that night, it'll be interesting to see how it performs this week. Initial disappointments aside, I imagine FOX will find it easy to live with if it keeps delivering 27% leads on Wednesday nights for them. On one hand, getting out of the auditions might be a boost for the show. But the scheduling around judges houses is a mess because of the World Series which might cost them any momentum - they seem to be doing it differently to the UK (having some live "reveal") which makes no sense because the judges houses results has always been very popular (and is also the only show with absolutely no singing!). )! 18% decline is not the best of results, but not really traumatizing. It should also be noted that Revenge grew in total viewers from Happy Endings. A possible different angle for ABC? Although, if Happy Endings go on a similar route as Cougar Town did last season, it may not be a good prospect for Revenge. 10pm shows may grow in viewers, but is extremely difficult for A18-49. So far, their decision to put Happy Endings as a lead-in for a new show baffles me. Then again, a lot of scheduling decisions that ABC makes baffles me. Great results for Modern Family and ABC comedies. Decent debut for Suburbgatory. Up All Night is nearing the danger zone while Free Agent is nearing the chopping block. At least Harry's Law can use the "older-skewing" card, for now (seriously, 1.2 and 7.4m?!?!?!?!). The X Factor's drop is pretty good. However, for a show like The X Factor, this should be worrying. Whatever happens in coming weeks, no one knows. CBS, meanwhile, can smile with confidence for Survivor. I bet they might have not predicted they were going to do THIS well against The X Factor. ANTM numbers may have risen, but not to the satisfaction of the network bosses. As for H8R, Kim Kardashian was the reason why it improved, and she does great ratings business for E! |
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Ask Rhod Gilbert was down too, sadly. Great show, completely wrong slot for it. If you're going to air a promising, entertaining new show late night, at least stick it on Mondays or Fridays when the viewers are there. Not Wednesdays FFS!
Would anyone be interested to know that one of the many Scott-Lee brothers went to the same university as me and Lisa sometimes used to visit him in our halls of residence? |
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Latest - Tottenham Hotspur 0, Shamrock Rovers 1 (Channel 5). Gosh!
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Can I ask about American ratings.
Do the total viewers count for nothing? |
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Poor scheduling by the BBC, moving the Friday comedy block to Thursday for one week only and then moving it back to Friday next week.
Technically moving the shows twice during the run, all so they can squeeze in an extra SCD show. Surely they should have planned this in advance? |
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I'm sure (like Cee-Lo and Levine) he was successful in his market and sold lots of music. But I dont think any of them were the kind of people that would obviously get people watching a TV show.
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So far, their decision to put Happy Endings as a lead-in for a new show baffles me. Then again, a lot of scheduling decisions that ABC makes baffles me.
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They are obviously important for cable networks that aren't funded by adverts, but are subscription based, like Starz.
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Poor scheduling by the BBC, moving the Friday comedy block to Thursday for one week only and then moving it back to Friday next week.
Technically moving the shows twice during the run, all so they can squeeze in an extra SCD show. Surely they should have planned this in advance? I think with tonights Outnumbered being the first of a double bill finale they might have been better playing both episodes tonight and promoting it as the finale. Alternatively it could have had a six week uninterupted run in between the SCD launch and Children in Need - but really it just comes down to them splitting the Strictly shows on the first weekend. If they can have a two hour show the week after, why not this week - or why not play them on Saturday/Sunday instead. |
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Poor scheduling by the BBC, moving the Friday comedy block to Thursday for one week only and then moving it back to Friday next week.
Technically moving the shows twice during the run, all so they can squeeze in an extra SCD show. Surely they should have planned this in advance? It's very random. |
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Revenge's figure is ok for 10pm.
