Classic case of it's not what you know, but who

Thanks georgy, Marian and Alex for your help - where would I be without you - okay, don't answer that - I'd be relegated from the thread!!

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nyannie, I think you're getting close to this title even without the cakes and puds - but I bet you do make them, don't you?

i,m so pleased to see you have reconsidered ,well after a little advice from Augusta and Alex
and my groveling must of helped
lindy loue will be so pleased , we might even start wearing
gold stars on our chests

lindy lou and georgy 9.5

Sadly, I've had the same experience this year - which is why I've watched so little.
Left to myself, I would have watched at least a sample of highlights progs, so that I'd be better informed about what was going on
This year, though, I've got most of my info from posts on DS, and they can be pretty depressing....

Are you any good at making gold badges??

Or I guess I should try, as you helped me out with the questions.........

The thing I notice most this year is how out-of-touch the majority of DS posters are with the show. It's as though they're judging it by a different set of standards (middle class Britain, for want of a better word) whilst its current owner Richard Desmond wants it as downmarket as possible. This leads to endless torrents of mock outrage about the superficial and the banal. Have come to the conclusion that BB on C5 is a show not designed for DSers - so the only reason I stay on DSBB is due to this lovely thread.

Noone's managed to get close to the peerless Dermot imo. I got sick of Davina's bias in the end, but am finding an equal amount of bias from Emma already so it seems like that's an Endemol spin job, dressed up by presenters claiming to be fans of the show and having personal preferences. Although I don't enjoy the eviction shows at all, I'm surprised to be finding Brian ok as a host - his interview questions are focused yet sympathetic, and he isn't demonstrating Davina levels of bias yet. Originally, I wanted it the other way round with Emma presenting the main show, but with hindsight I've come round to their way of thinking. Put it this way at least: I'd rather have a professional presenter but, if C5 can't afford one, then I can live with Brian.

HolyMoly is an acquired taste, but personally I see him as one of the highlights of this year's BB (after a very slow start by him admittedly). His humour is zany and he comes at things from unusual and interesting angles. I find him intelligent and witty (eg, his post-coital remark to Maisy was hilarious), if sometimes a bit zen. Some echo what I think you're getting at which is that he's too sarcastic to BB HMs . . . but personally I prefer that to sycophancy and don't think that equates to him not wanting to be on the show (Now I'd have cited George Lamb as an example of someone sneering who seemed to have fallen out of love with the show . . . not so much Jamie). Crucially Jamie doesn't take himself too seriously and provides a grit and roughness which allows him to be a foil for someone like Alice (or Emma) to shine alongside him. He's only a support act as he doesn't have the presenter polish of his colleagues, but his grumpy old man act is key to adding some grit to the female oyster imo. If I still haven't persuaded you that he can play Emma's irrepressible little brother, then that's got to be Victor right??

well that would be nice
but are you sure
i wouldn't want you to stress yourself out
team mate

You're right there. MF seems to be heavily populated by "tweenies" this year. Reckon I was spoilt by the standard which was unusually high in BB11 because a number of old posters came back especially for what they thought was the final BB. Most haven't hung around to watch this C5 model, and the posting standards are dire - little more than tribal cheerleading, with few funny or insightful posters!


BIB - torture??


Not sure what that involves.
Perhaps it means being thrown out of AT heaven and consigned to the MF playground for eternity!!

So you think the downmarket bias is deliberate?

perhaps it is, I though it was more that they were miscalculating their audience?

Last year, for BB11, DS were constantly being quoted and refered to by little brother etc...and I kind of felt that DS was seen as an important commentator on the show, but maybe not.

Im still not sure what is to be gained by making the show as downmarket as possible,?

it feels as if Desmond and his empire dont actually understand what BB is all about, but have been told about it, and are working on what they think the show is about....they think the show is downmarket and therefore are marketing it as such, but only cos they dont really know what else it could be.....

they missed a massive trick with the live feed, and also I think there is a daytime audience.... especially for those who arent working at the moment!! who could be a ready made audience.....
the evening and weekend competition is too much to compete with, so if BB is to succeed surely they could have done with hooking an audience in some other way?

As for co presenters.Victor is funny, but.....he is still a bit raw at presenting......he can looks a bit amateurish on some of his links....

Maybe I havent seen enough of Holy Moly.....he is definitely witty and sarcastic, he is playing a grumpy old man role well...... and maybe Im too used to seeing attractive people as presenters, It feels a bit as if his face doesnt really fit....

what a picture...our hero....

thank you for bringing it across

marion augusta xx

I think I understand what your are saying Alex - that BB is what it is so to speak - it is about being silly and over the top and not to be taken to seriously - which was the case on channel 4 as it is now on channel 5. (I do hope I have understood you correctly) And I can see this point of view - I never really did like BBBM but really enjoyed BBLB could have had a lot to do with Dermot being drop dead Gawgus
I think it may have been down to the presenters for me - although I did not enjoy BBBM I did appreciate Matthew Horne James Corden and from behind the sofa Russel Brand - although I like Emma it just as the feeling of a programme being produced by novices (I am not meaning that to be nasty - it is just as I feel it).

Well done GP and Lindy - I had a good laugh with the Q & A session - but did realise at one point that the power was going to my head - and I was enjoying the marking part far too much

you have summed that up pretty well....it does feel that this year BB is being presented by novices.......

and I loved your marking scheme.......

Same here. I think they have to make the show on a shoe-string budget. This is Richard Desmond country after all. Having watched the OKTV! dross on the odd occasion, think we can detect a C5 house style.

On joedonaghy1 twitter
there is a twitvid link of the boys playing football , please if someone can do links can they please bring it over
its very short but i think i can hear john shouting goal
but i,m not sure

so sorry i just disappeared earlier
the boys needed to talk to me
one wanted to discuss law electives
the other one, wanted to talk about his life skills course
it was nice to just sit and chat

http://www.twitvid.com/KIOKT

Oh a very big thank you ellemay

i,m sure the jjat would want to see this

Thanks georgy and ellemay

This does sound like John (but then, I couldn't be sure....)

Is Joe Donaghy one of his mates?

I did enjoy it

Can you see John, do you think? Or is it a case of wishful thinking on my part??

Great times, georgy

Yep, that was the kind of dreadful fate I had in mind - so thanks for helping to save me

I think it is john who shouts goal, and lindy, joe donaghy was one of the answers in the quiz he posts the footie scores and is one of john loys
please pay attention, we don,t want deefs deducting points


it is lovely , when you just sit and chat , they are great ,
growing into lovely young men

I do think that BB has been taken deliberately downmarket augusta - hasn't it been tending to go that way over recent years anyway? I think its current incarnation fits the overall C5 audience demographic quite well. Ratings are quite good for C5, I believe, although not for BB in former years.

I agree, Dermot was the main reason I watched BBLB, and even now he is managing to add a little humanity to the X Factor. Father Dermot, I call him

I only found DS at the end of BB11, and was never aware of it as a regular viewer of BB before. I only came across this place by googling JJJ one fateful morning around the end of August 2010 - and have never looked back

I agree with you that there is less competition in the daytime TV schedules, and especially with unemployment rising, some form of live feed (sorry ) would have helped to hook audiences in.

It is just sad that BB is being used a TV fodder when it started out with such a brilliant concept.Think back to the early days: lots of conversation, clashes over values not just relationships / looks, the whole sense of seeing real people adapt (or not) to the immersion in a group setting. It's not there any more, I'm afraid.....

1 Sorry, I knew I'd heard the name somewhere.... Can't you cut me some slack here, georgy, it's nearly bedtime and I'm tired.......


2 This is great georgy