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Old 11-09-2004, 14:53
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...and Arthur's Bench was on the menu. Although I thought the writing on Friday was poor (I mean I thought it was a smidge stronger in the previous three Miller episodes, and it seemed a bit messy and hectic on Friday), I thought there were a couple of scenes which did the Miller girls (Rosie & Demi) some favours.

The scene where Rosie was trying to get a minute to straighten her hair was a very subtle and honourable scene for 'EE04', which has had all the subtlety of a sledghammer on concrete for most of the time. She was [on here] the most criticised on Monday (in the 'Miller Time' thread) for being the least dimensional, but I think this scene was really good for her: we saw an internal character moment, with no dialogue, which we almost never see in EastEnders. The other scene was Demi-Bump sitting on the stairs making her telephone call. I never thought the Miller kids were 'brats', just a bit pikey, but I think this scene was effective. I mean the two of them have already out-acted everything Pete & Lucy Beale managed in ten years.

I think the Millers are a good family. After the Slaters first week, I loathed them and wanted them out (they were a replacement for both the DiMarco's & Ethel, both of whom I liked, and they were super-unlikeable). I don't feel that strongly about the generally unappealing Millers. I only hope Rosie & Pauline don't become the best of mates, as was hinted in the Launderette scene. I hope this Bench situation makes them the worst of enemies. Cos that is FAR more interesting!!
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Old 11-09-2004, 16:07
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I like the Millers but they are not much like the dingles Tina Baker kept saying they were
I think they will be really good for the show
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Old 11-09-2004, 16:34
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Well she Tina Baker did say they have a hint of the Battersbys when they first arrived on Corrie. Uhmm hello but there is more than one low life family that lives on every estate in Britain and Ireland. Thats like saying the low life next door are a copy of the low life family across the road lol
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Old 12-09-2004, 01:35
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I loved the bit when Daddy Miller spoke to Dennis in the Club and Deniis never spoke or moved.
I can see the Millers having to pinch a bench from the nearest park to put in the square.
Why did thick Adi allow them to open an account to go to the Job Centre etc. Does he really think they will pay
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Old 12-09-2004, 11:12
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Originally Posted by pistonbroke
Why did thick Adi allow them to open an account to go to the Job Centre etc. Does he really think they will pay
On Planet Eastenders this of course makes perfect sense. Just like Mo having a rapist's baby, and Alfie borrowing money from his arch enemy
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Old 12-09-2004, 11:28
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i gave up watching it completeley now, load of bleedin crap
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Old 12-09-2004, 11:56
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EE plots are unrealistic sometimes but if they were true to real life, would we bother to watch My life is boring enough without watching someone else's boring life on the telly
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Old 12-09-2004, 14:41
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But Katy, in order to be interesting it doesn't have to be unrealistic. It could remain credible and still be exciting and imaginative - but unfortunately EE often avoids doing that .
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Old 13-09-2004, 10:33
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I did enjoy the epidode on Friday and felt for the mum when she couldn't curl her hair (God I would have SMACKED that kid for yelling like that). The Kareena and Micky thing was a bit...wtf?!? I knew they liked each other, but that did come from out of the blue (although I might have missed something before she went away).

Demi is a great little character and could see the effect of moving has hit her (as it did when I was her age). Also I would love Pauline and mummy miller to become friends....making them enemies will be cliche and already done (Fowlers vs Mitchells). They could be a new power force

One thing that I couldn't get over....how in hell did they get the bench from the square?!? To place a bench in a public place does it not have to be set in the ground, you simply cannot just pick it up willy nilly and place it where feels needed?!? Woild it not have been cemented to the ground?!?
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Old 13-09-2004, 11:03
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can't say i like the family at the moment and didn't realise the boy and girl are meant to be twins..

Points of note is when did Sasha learn how to cut an oil drum in half?

What did no one complain that it ws unhygenic ?

Why didn't the police put a stop to a street BBQ ?

The bench only got burnt near the end but the plaque in the middle got ruined ?

Why did the Millers move to Walford.. They have no jobs at the moment so how did the afford the move even if they are in a council house.. what did they do for work before ? Where was Mickey sleeping as well ?

As someone else has noted if you are going to pick up your dole money would you really let someone have an account.

One final think is that Addy was on an "airport run". Who was stupid enough to book this at the last minute ? What airport ? and would anyone realy book a taxi from the East End to go to either Heathrow or Gatwick, it will take hours and cost a fortune.
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Old 13-09-2004, 12:21
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Stanstead?
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Old 13-09-2004, 12:25
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stanstead would be even more expensive - its in essex for god sakes.
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Old 13-09-2004, 12:30
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stanstead would be even more expensive - its in essex for god sakes.
See I thought that but the East End borders on Essex does it not? I drove from Essex to East Ham in less than an hour so I am sure it is possible!
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Old 13-09-2004, 12:31
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Well, I think anything to do with the Fereirra family, including "Shasha The Man", are almost routinely crap. She's especially bad, her line delivery is always the same and always rubbish. I mean, they've spoken out about how the family haven't worked out, but they're scrabbling around to try and give them a point (such as the suddenly 'sexy' wild-child Kareena, Adi the lothario, Ronny the wide-eyed child playing on his gameboy, and Sasha, the ex-pole dancer slash drilling expert). Whatever they do with them, they're so stigmatised by how the Berridge Brigade ruined them, they're not going to improve in the eyes of the viewers. I'm sure with better material, they're all very good actors, but they aren't going to do any favours for EE, because the viewers just doesn't, and won't, care.

As for Mickey & Kareena, well. Before, when she was a frump, I didn't care, but now... well, if she wants such a special first time, why did they sneek off upstairs for a bunk-up on Mickey's West-Ham bed spread, at a family BBQ? Not exactly candles and lace, is it.
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Old 13-09-2004, 13:36
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Originally Posted by TheWalfordOne
I'm sure with better material, they're all very good actors, but they aren't going to do any favours for EE, because the viewers just doesn't, and won't, care.
i don't think Kareena can act. her voice just gets on my nerves. I'm sure she puts that on and it isn't her real voice

Originally Posted by TheWalfordOne
As for Mickey & Kareena, well. Before, when she was a frump, I didn't care, but now... well, if she wants such a special first time, why did they sneek off upstairs for a bunk-up on Mickey's West-Ham bed spread, at a family BBQ? Not exactly candles and lace, is it.
yes that was strange and how when he was standing next to the sink did he manage to spit on himself ? They could have made it more believable with him spilling the mouthwash on him which could have looked ok.

Maybe the writters had had too many cans ok Skoe when they wrote that bit
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Old 13-09-2004, 16:01
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Oh, well I was being polite about the acting ability: Kareena & Adi couldn't act if their way out of a paper-bag if they had just been told their father was being deported. Ronny & Ash, well, take them or leave them (preferably leave them -- inoffensive, but lacking in any sort of character what-so-ever). Tariq is the only one with any smidge of potential -- he was actually good as a shifty, shady little character who hung around the family. Since he became part of the mess, he's been indoctrinated by their sludgy nonentity crap.

And as for the Bunk-Up-Romance of the century: I thought it was as clumsy as EE can be right now. Having Mickey spit the mouthwash on him was, well, silly but ok. Having him plan to change into a pain of grubby-but-conveniently-left-on-the-rail jeans (why? he's only going to take them off again in two minutes) was silly. Having him trip over and fall into the bath, was predictable. And having Kareena get into a huff and walk out was turgid. When they play the 'almost-a-couple-but-not-quite' card with Kat & Alfie or Ian & Jane, it's ok, because they're liked characters. Mickey & Kareena? do me a favour.
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Old 13-09-2004, 16:43
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i think the Millers are just like the slaters but i still like them. i think that Eastenders might start to get interesting again
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Old 13-09-2004, 17:15
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Originally Posted by Lippincote
Stanstead?
Stanstead is a pants airport and flies virtualy nowhere. Going to Heathrow by cab is surprisingly cheap anywhere in London (certainly less than £50 for their part of London). Gatwick would be very expensive as it is quite far out of London.

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The Millers are a sort of happy medium for me and could easily survive if they don't get too serious like the Slaters who have just falllen apart, to the point that there is only Zoe and Charlie now.
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Old 13-09-2004, 17:25
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The Millers are a sort of happy medium for me and could easily survive if they don't get too serious like the Slaters who have just falllen apart, to the point that there is only Zoe and Charlie now.
i don't like the dad he just gets on my nerves.. That conversation he had with Derek about the bed was just stupid and them stealing the bed was a rubbish storyline as well.

Where did the other brother go as well ?
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Old 13-09-2004, 17:54
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Originally Posted by lilypud
i think the Millers are just like the slaters but i still like them. i think that Eastenders might start to get interesting again
Sorry they are nothing like the Slaters. The only Slater anything like a criminal is Big Mo.
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Old 13-09-2004, 17:57
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this is just the start....
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Old 13-09-2004, 18:10
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Originally Posted by TheWalfordOne
Well, I think anything to do with the Fereirra family, including "Shasha The Man", are almost routinely crap. She's especially bad, her line delivery is always the same and always rubbish. I mean, they've spoken out about how the family haven't worked out, but they're scrabbling around to try and give them a point (such as the suddenly 'sexy' wild-child Kareena, Adi the lothario, Ronny the wide-eyed child playing on his gameboy, and Sasha, the ex-pole dancer slash drilling expert). Whatever they do with them, they're so stigmatised by how the Berridge Brigade ruined them, they're not going to improve in the eyes of the viewers. I'm sure with better material, they're all very good actors, but they aren't going to do any favours for EE, because the viewers just doesn't, and won't, care.

As for Mickey & Kareena, well. Before, when she was a frump, I didn't care, but now... well, if she wants such a special first time, why did they sneek off upstairs for a bunk-up on Mickey's West-Ham bed spread, at a family BBQ? Not exactly candles and lace, is it.
Oh I soooooooo agree with this post !

It was touted that Kareena would come back with a "incredibly sexy new image, that will wow the lads in the square" , unfortunately the only difference between her last appearance in the show and this one is that she's had her hair cut into a bob and wears more make up than Lily Savage.

Why the hell have they paired up Sasha - the 12ft 6in afghan hound with lipgloss, with Addi, the 4ft tub of lard with a biro'd on moustache? They look ludicrous.

How is it that most EE terraced houses take on TARDIS like proportions and develop room/bedrooms for immensely large families, when the Fowlers house is supposed to be the same size and yet everyone seems to be living armpit to armpit.

And as for Kareena's "big night" with Mickey - is she deaf? Did she not hear the huge bang as he knocked himself "comically" unconscious in the bedroom? Was it the only party in the history of the world where no-one used the loo and found him within five minutes? And why on earth - out of the blue - pick that particular evening, that particular bloke and a bedroom with no lock, guaranteeing no privacy whatsoever?
Sometimes (no actually, ALL the time), I think the EE scriptys think we are stupid.
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Old 13-09-2004, 18:12
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Originally Posted by pistonbroke
Sorry they are nothing like the Slaters. The only Slater anything like a criminal is Big Mo.
...... and that's just her acting ....
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Old 13-09-2004, 18:35
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Originally Posted by KittyLitter

How is it that most EE terraced houses take on TARDIS like proportions and develop room/bedrooms for immensely large families, when the Fowlers house is supposed to be the same size and yet everyone seems to be living armpit to armpit.
yes you are right none of the houses are big enough for the people in them.. apart from maybe the fowlers.. the bathrooms are all upstairs as well so that cuts down on one bedroom that would be up there.. in most of the terraced houses i've seen the rooms have all been really pokey as well. If you look at the houses from the outside they can't fit the width of the rooms inside either. there is meant to be a downstairs bedroom at the slaters but it has to be next to the kitchen which means charlie must sleep in a coffin as the room wouldn't be wide enough to fit anything else in
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Old 13-09-2004, 19:05
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Charlie in his zip up cardigan in a coffin - good one !!!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL.

Its the same with the Queen Vic though ... that seems to have an upstairs bit the size of Buckingham Palace, whenever guests come to stay. At one point we had Kat and Alfie, Nana Moon, Spencer, Zoe and Phil Mitchell staying there (presumably the last three didnt all bunk up together) - PLUS theres a big kitchen PLUS an enormous living room and (as you say Sherer - a bathroom) and yet the Queen Vic bar downstairs isnt that big !
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