It is that simple. Less than 5% of the available audience watched BB for only the second time ever. There's no way of spinning that positively.

Its doing well to sustain what little audience is left, but having a lower audience than TOWIE with the total Xtra Factor audience only marginally behind it is just adding to the embarrassment for Channel 5.

No womder they got rid of LF if only 86k wanted it. thats really pathetic. Theres a video of my Nan's dog on youtube that's had loads more viewings than that.

It was up 100,000 and 0.3 share points week-on-week. Not spin, just the facts.

Not a massive rise granted, but given the general consensus on here was that ratings would FALL with Rebeckah gone, it's proving to be more resilient than expected.

'Only' 86K were willing to pay a subscription to watch on the internet, knowing the show had already been cancelled.

There are no available figures for how many people actually watched the online stream or the several hours of e4 footage aired in the afternoons and overnight. But obviously the total would be considerably higher than 86,000.

The show is dead without the live feed. It might have been dead with it, as C5 haven't got a clue, but we'll never know now. This farce might run to one more series of CBB - but I doubt it. There will certainly not be a BB13, not aired by C5 anyway.

The 5 minute peaks are largely irrelevant too, which is one reason they're so seldom mentioned after a day or so has passed.

And having "at least 2 or 3 viewers at some point" might be for 1 minute out of an entire months-long series.


It doesn't give a better picture. There's no reason to believe more than a tiny fraction of people with a live feed had so many watching enough times for it to matter.

Yes, that number is looking very suspect -- unless someone can find a proper source for it.

But it got a bigger audience share even when only 900,000 tuned in. That was effectively a better performance than last night's.

Bearing in mind that anything under 2m for BB is absolutely pathetic on terrestrial TV. BBCH managed 600K-1.1m during its run on e4. Bloody e4!

It wasn't even close with Xtra Factor, which had 1m viewers. That makes BB around 30% more popular in the 9pm timeslot, hardly a marginal victory.

I think what we're seeing here is general upset that BB is not playing ball numbers wise and shrinking. It's what the haters want to see and all weekend it's posted improvements.

BB has underperformed overall so far definitely, but it's not the massive disaster that some want to make it out to be.

The audience it does have is very loyal.

Let me know if he's looking for a Manager...

So you are implying that the age range demograph that C5 is chasing for BB is the same as the age range deomgraph for Downton Abbey?

I see people mentioning the 5 minute peaks way after shows have aired quite frequently.

You could say that about any television show though. Yet it's still included in the BARB estimates. So I think it's fair to say that the same loose principle applies to live feed viewers (or anything similar). So I believe it DOES give a better picture.

I'm still interested in these exaggerated claims you mention?

Of course not. But it has an effect. Shows like Downton Abbey are so huge they tend to do well whatever the demo. Think of houses as well where there might only be one TV shared by the whole family, that has an impact.

It's not just DA either, Spooks is very popular with younger viewers. So you have to look at it in context is all I'm saying.

I don't think the improvements are significant, but the failure of the numbers to collapse certainly is.

However, I don't think BB 12 is getting fewer viewers than it deserves. It's been a poor series so far, with a rather poor set of HMs, imo.

And I wonder how many will really want to keep watching all the way to -- what is it, late November?

No, I think it's just that the goal posts tend to move depending on which is showing a rise be it actual numbers of % share.

Is there a consensus as to which is more important to C5? If so, should that be the ranking which is important and not swap and change depending on which gives the better result that day?

The numbers that are usually repeated are overnight or official average numbers for each show, not peaks.




1 minute out of an entire months-long series will not not make any noticeable difference to the BARB numbers.

Even 1 minute during 1 show will not make any significant difference to the overnight or official figures (which are the average number watching).


No, because it's just a few self-selected people who may be very atypical.


Oh? You seem to be trying to imply there aren't any.

Percentage share was also up week-on-week so it's a moot point.

I'm honestly really surprised you think that. I love the cast this year and think they are interacting really well together. I know a lot of viewers feel the same.

Tasks and stuff have been quite poor though, or at least not very original. I guess after 11 years it's not surprising ideas are thin on the ground in that respect.

I think it's more like early to mid November that it ends, can't remember the exact date.

which of these will happen first ?

a midweek highlights show gets more than 1.6 million
a midweek highlights show gets less than 1 million

i'm not including eviction nights or any possible live show that might happen.

maybe neither will happen

It's all gravy for C5, then

Midweek show is going to get very close to the 1m mark soon. The house is stale and boring less than three weeks in. What it'll be like near the end doesn't bear thinking about.

Sorry, wrong thread.

I still see the peaks mentioned a lot (not just on DS). I still think people saying who they have in their house & who is watching paints a better picture for something like live feed. We have no official numbers for it other than PEJ saying that 86k subscribers paid for live feed online for one year. But that certainly doesn't mean only 86k people watched or wanted/wants live feed.

I realise and understand the BARB figures are done in a controlled way & that BARB are well established. But all the figures are still just estimates. Therefore I see no reason why a similar principle (even loosely) couldn't apply to live feed viewers (and similar things).

I was not implying anything. I said I hadn't seen any & asked you to eleaborate. Just because I haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist - so I wanted to know about it.

It looks like stubbornly remaining between those two values. Every 5 minute segment last night was above 1.1m against Downton and Spooks, and a few were at or above 1.5m, so I really can't see a sub-1m highlights show on a weeknight happening any time soon, if at all. At the same time 1.6+ also looks unlikely when last week's high-profile eviction had a 1.5.

Stale?? Are we following the same show? It was all kicking off last night.

Tonight's show should be full of drama.