C4 did very well last night;
Seven Dwarves averaged 1.4m (6%) in the 9pm hour, and 239k (1.4%) an hour later, before new Shameless continued with 1.36m (8%) from 10pm and 176k (1.9%) on timeshift.

You call that very well?

Channel 5 beat them in both timeslots and at 8pm as well. The bubble has finally burst on Shameless and it looks like it has on Seven Dwarves too (which launched with well over 2m viewers).

Where were you hiding when the ratings went below 1 million.

Interesting character going this week, think the producers should make the most of this sudden surge, next week could be a disaster.

Tetchy tetchy.

If being a shill gets you so upset, maybe a career change is needed?

I never mentioned your name, I merely mentioned 'the thread'

If its alright for you to refer to 'the thread' , why is it not for me?

Do you not see the irony here.

BB launched with 5 million viewers, and you are saying thats ok at 1.4 million, and in the same breath claiming adrop from 2 mill to 1.4 (which BB has also done) means the show's bubble has burst.

so you would call 1.46m good for BB then
as i recall C5 want 2 million so they will have to work very hard to gain a lot of viewers

Your concern would be touching Jak if it wasn't misplaced wishful thinking...

I'll cross that bridge when we come to it as I don't like to get too ahead of myself unlike folks on here.

Personally I think Heaven will leave anyway and I don't think she'll be a massive loss to the show. But this battle of interesting characters as you put it sets the show up nicely for another bumper rating eviction night!

BB launched with 2.6 million viewers. If you cannot get this simple statistic right, I don't think we have much to talk about, do you?

This run launched with over 5 million, CBB launch.

But lets just go with BB12 then, 2.6 million to 1.4 , you claim its doing OK, indeed, trying to mock people who said it was failing.

But a C4 programme that drops from 2 million to 1.4 is, in your own words, had its 'bubble burst'

You are tying yourself in knots contradicting yourself.

Nobody said this mate. It was just speculative from a MediaGuardian journalist.

Even if 2m was the target, there are lots of things we don't know:

1) Is that including or excluding timeshift? If the former, then the show is pretty close to that benchmark anyway- i.e. 1.75m for last Monday's episode, eviction show likely to be 2m+ last Friday.
2) Were they expecting as I suspect they were a higher rating launch that would inflate the average? If so, they would have been aiming lower for the highlights shows. What was the true benchmark?
3) What were they expecting in the commercially lucrative 16-34 demographic and is it meeting those expectations?

A lot of issues to consider. It's certainly not as simple as you're making out.

I've discovered Secret Story 2 from Portugal with seven channel live feed - that'll do me

I'm not the one comparing the two as personally I don't think you can. Big Brother is a nightly affair for 9 weeks, whereas Seven Dwarves is a 7 part weekly series. Personally I think launching with 2.9m in week 1 and having just 1.6m left by week 6 is not great for that show, and that is what I was disagreeing with happybbfan about. It seems that poster wants everyone to believe that all the Big Brother alternatives out there are doing great when sometimes they are just not.

As Big Brother's audience appears to be rising, I think it would be dangerous to conclude too much from its early performance. A bit disappointing so far but recent trends are good.

I expected ratings to be slightly higher. Rebeckah trended on Twitter after all - the first time anything BB related trended since the launch of the non-celeb BB.

It's not the first. Tashie trended on Friday for example. I think it has trended a couple more times too.

it is quite simple there's really no need to over analysis everything in my opinion


1. 2 million excluding timeshift
2. i was expecting a higher launch rating,around 3 - 3.5 million ,so the show went sub 1.5 million much sooner than i expected
3. i expect channel 5 will waffle on about 16-34's at some point as that was channel 4's standard response when the ratings began to slip
"oh don't worry ,everything is just hunky dory ,just look at our 16-34 figures"

Oi...thats a bit harsh towards Charlottesweb...she does not say it was you...What makes you write that it was you? Other people have made the statement too without any fuss.

This thread does not all evolve round you and what you say .... You run off when the ratings dont suit your
terrier style of promoting channel 5 and come back snapping at posters who have probably forgotten who you are. So take it easy please.

Ahh, so a C5 programme going from 2.6 milion to 1.4 isnt bad, but a C4 programme going from 2 to 1.4 is terrible.

Thanks.

So basically, you are full of it.

Its not even amusing any more

They should waffle a bit about those definitely, because they're pretty impressive.

The show achieved a 12.4% share of 16-34 yr olds in the 10pm hour last night, over 3 times as big as Channel 5's average share in this demo of 3.8% (excluding BB) for yesterday.

It was heavily implied and like any normal human being I don't like to see my name being dragged through the mud like that.

As for "running off", pur-lease, it was my birthday on Sunday and frankly I had better things to do with my time.

I could just imagine what inane drivel was being spouted on here anyway off the back of one rating, so there was no need to log on.

Where do you get 2 and 1.4 from? I've just given you the correct figures!

Even for your usual antagonistic standards, this is a new low.

But what are they going to do with them when BB finishes ... genuine question?

On C5 I watch CSI, The Mentalist and Law & Order, stuff like that ... but that's OK because I'm not the demograph they want watching BB

Looking through the TV guide for next week, it looks like C5 has a couple of new series starting - Superior Interiors on Tuesday and Ultimate Emergency Bikers on Wednesday - not tailored to the 16-34 demograph I would have said.

So, is there something in the pipeline for when BB finishes or is all this new demograph % just supposed to hang about until the start of CBB in the New Year?

I hope you had a nice birthday on Sunday Dancc.

I loved last nights ep. I really hope people watching start telling people about it-the flashback thing works brilliantly in regards to a casual viewer understanding what's going on without watching previously.

Oh good...Loving the Portuguese BB with live feed and wonderful web site. Have you left detail of the Secret Story in the new Portuguese BB WHATM thread yet...I want to catch up later. It was so busy last night I had to stop the instant notifications or my mail box would have could fire..lol.

What an outstanding example of how Big Brother should be the Portuguese show is. I wonder if Channel 5 know what a huge instant hit this is with those unsatisfied with the reconstructed form of UKBB.

I hope you are right, because if Rebeckha (the most talked about HM) goes there will be a slump in viewing figures next week IMO

Cheers for that. I had a great time thank you!

It was definitely a good episode last night. Nominations are generally always my favourite of the week, but I'm loving the whole Faye/Aaron relationship as well. That's been really interesting to watch. And obviously Rebeckah stirring it up has been great from the show's point-of-view. All in all, irrespective of ratings, it's shaping up to be one of my favourite series so far.