Maybe people;e are fed up of the same thing as to be honest you can't really change what BB is, a load of people stuck in a building.

give it another couple of years and the X-factor will start to get the same sort of figures for viewing. People get board of the same thing year after year after year, whihc is why I think the voice on BBc will not take off as well as they think it will.

So the much pre trailed funniest episode ever of BB got less viewers.

So the joke about TOWIE tans exploded in the producers faces.

Like this....

It's because, to many people, bb12 is just more of the same. It's stuff that's been seen before, year after year. Another Friday, another eviction. :yawn: Like that.

Who actually writes the descriptions? Is it the EPG provider i.e. Sky or Channel 5 themselves? They often don't match what it says on DigiGuide.

I dont want to see BB12 fail, but next week I see the ratings dropping to another all time low unless the producers do something about it. The only entertainment is the tasks that BB are giving them...How long can they keep that up for

From the article about BB's lowest rating ever...


At least the 7 Dwarves from C4 must been watching the show.

The need not show the Jewellery Channel as it now has its own dedicated channel on Freeview (60) as well as Sky

I do wonder if you would be as defencive over BB if it was on C4 and not C5

A good deal of the C5 channels are left to repeats and blank channel logos

With respect, the 'minority' of viewers they lose from one show to another even if it is around 100k will make a difference.
Over the long haul even more so.

I am in the minority with Veri in respect to how I feel about some of the focus they emphasise on. It's not so much showing too much Alex with me, it's more to do with showing too much of Alex in the context of her being shown in contrived tasks compared to showing more of her actual relationships with other people in there.

It's getting like Alex is some sort of task robot that in order to feature with any sort of prominence they have to stick her in a task to get a decent highlight out of her that's funny, or sad, or whatever provokes anything.
With Alex the balance between showing her doing tasks and showing her simply living in there is way out.

I'm also tiring of Rebeckah, Heaven and Aaron too now.
There's housemates in there that just appear to be making up the numbers and it isn't necessarily their own fault.

I think that the show had been improving slightly, as I think they had a clutch of half decent shows a few days ago. But I did think it slipped again last night. Mainly because speaking from a personal point of view I don't find shows that are filled up with task highlights that engaging for the amount of time they last for.

When ratings are as they currently stand right now minorities are going to factor more significantly. Holding a view that means you are 'just in the minority' right now can make all the difference to being up or down 100k a night.

I could call myself Mr Blonde - but it's already been done on here

True enough. I just can't understand how one show can have half a million more/less than another. Seems a big swing.

Nikki Cowan has got a girl's name. Leslie Brain has a man's name. I'm being singled out by the namists/racists/nickists and I'm phoning Forcom immediately

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How do you know if your living in the UK?... Just check out if Big Brother has a live feed or not

I hate living in a third world country, when most of the world can give away free internet streaming, it's just plain greedy Desmond and you deserve your ratings failure.

I see C4 out did BB again...
[LIST][*]21:00- Grand Designs: 2.9m (10.9%)[*]22:00- Fresh Meat: 1.7m (8.4%)[/LIST]

I wonder how far in advance media buyers book advertising slots for their clients? If advertisers became dissatisfied, how long would it take to filter through to revenue problems for C5?

channel 5 might have a better chance of retaining viewers from the 9pm -10pm slot ?

9pm the big celebrity swim

no idea what celebs are on the show though or if it will be any good

on twitter it looks like XFactor USA on ITV2 which is on until 10pm is going to get quite a few viewers,this will lead into Celebrity Juice straight after which last week i believe beat C5 BB in the same slot
i guess tomorrow will be interesting ratings wise again
its been hard to predict a nightly rating with BB atm

The ratings for BBUSA continue to get better and better, and they haven't changed anything for 10 years. That's an example of something that has done the same thing over and over, and people continue or increase watching.

X Factor USA was beaten by other shows on the night, surprisingly, in the USA. Something that hasn't happened to American Idol. It would be funny if it's a bigger hit in the UK than its original airing.

Seems like the ratings have stabilized around 1.3m/1.4m. I do wonder what the eviction will get. Could the 9pm show hit 2m? Or will it be around 1.8m like last week?

That's a very good point.

People do tire of some things, though, and BB UK seems to be among them.

BB USA is a very different show. The 'game' aspect is much more prominent, and there's no public vote.

If we consider some of the 'reality' shows that stay successful year after year, without changing very much, they seem to have something in common: they're about people showing / developing some talent or skill, accomplishing something difficult.

Strictly Come Dancing has dancing; X Factor and American Idol have singing; The Apprentice has the business challenges; "I'm a Celebrity" has the hardship of life in the jungle camp and tasks that make a real difference to how well they eat, as well as testing the contestants.

BB USA has playing the BB game. They can discuss nominations, and do. Tasks have rewards for the winner (Head of House, Power of Veto) that make a real difference in the game. Skill at playing that game is very important.

In those terms, BB UK is not nearly so well defined. Is it about the game? Well, only partly, and the HMs aren't quite allowed to play it: discussing nominations is against the rules, and they need to appeal to the viewers too -- when many viewers dislike gameplay and want HMs to behave naturally.

And if it's like the talent-based shows, it's like a talent show without the talent and skill: more a personality contest than a talent one -- and with very cynical viewers, ever alert for the slightest sign of a 'showmance', or playing to the cameras.

Or is it about trying to get the media's attention and become a minor celebrity? From a HM's point of view, sometimes it is; but that's not what viewers want to see.

There are tasks, but they don't give any advantage in the game. Being good at tasks doesn't even impress viewers vary much. Some tasks affect what food's available, but (especially in recent years), the consequences of failure don't seem very great.

There's little sense of progress, from week to week, towards a well-defined goal. And that makes it harder to follow the show, or see it as a continuing narrative. Indeed, many viewers are hostile to the narratives that do occur: any developing romances, any "journeys".

So I think BB UK was, in effect, more 'work' for viewers.

People only tired of BBUK once C4 decided to sanitize it. All the time they had big characters and explosive antics (BB5/6/7), the figures remained outstanding. They blotted their copy book quite seriously putting Nikki back in the house and that convinced a lot never to vote again. But it was obviously the CBB5 fiasco that did most lasting damage to the format, from which it has never recovered.

BB is a bit like Dr Who. It regenerates regularly and each time it does, it becomes fresh and interesting again. Or it does with a broadcaster who has half a clue, and a production company that isn't heavily shackled. BBUS is massive after 13 series. BB Brasil is similarly huge after 12 series. Clearly the passage of time doesn't diminish the appeal of the show if it's done right.

Jeff Ford has said the daddy of all reality shows is now not a reality show, no big shocker that a lot of established BB fans don't wanna know.

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Those last three posts just about sum up the state of Big Brother and I agree 100%

But people in the U.S will watch anything, just look at most of the stuff they produce to be honest.

Indeed. No amount of talking about how shallow the housemates are/how bad the editing is can hide the elephant in the room - the lack of live feed. Suppose C5 took over the X Factor and decided it should no longer be a singing competition? Wouldn't that possibly affect it's ratings?