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Old 25-09-2011, 20:08
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I'm sorry, I know others will disagree, but this is messing with the format needlessly. I hated it when they took the auditions out of an intimate setting and into an arena. Firstly, because I like to see PROGRESSION in the format. Mostly because I loathe the noisy crowds.

Now they've ruined Boot camp too, which was always about the intensity and the contestants competing against and for each other. It just feels like the audition stage all over again.

What on earth is the point in the live finals if they've already performed to bigger crowds at every part of the process?

"YES" to the new judging panel. "NO" to the endless format f*cking.
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:14
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I hate how all the girls start to masterbate every time a guy hits the stage
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:15
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I'm sorry, I know others will disagree, but this is messing with the format needlessly. I hated it when they took the auditions out of an intimate setting and into an arena. Firstly, because I like to see PROGRESSION in the format. Mostly because I loathe the noisy crowds.

Now they've ruined Boot camp too, which was always about the intensity and the contestants competing against and for each other. It just feels like the audition stage all over again.

What on earth is the point in the live finals if they've already performed to bigger crowds at every part of the process?

"YES" to the new judging panel. "NO" to the endless format f*cking.
I think its a way of finding out who appeals to the public and who can hack the pressure.
I like the audience reactions.
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:16
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Sometimes I've actually forgotten that this is bootcamp and not the auditions. It is far too repetitive and similar.
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:16
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I hate how all the girls start to masterbate every time a guy hits the stage
What programme have you been watching?
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:16
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I don't agree with this format it's almost like a rehash of the original auditions.
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:17
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I hate how all the girls start to masterbate every time a guy hits the stage
jesus you haven't seen anything till you see my Facebook all the girls going OMG FRANKIE IS GORGEOUS !!!!!
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:21
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I think its a way of finding out who appeals to the public and who can hack the pressure.
I like the audience reactions.
We've already seen how they react to the public.

The bootcamp phase has always been about how they react to the pressure of undertaking different challenges, like working in a group, performing songs they've been given at last minute, and even dancing. We get to see footage of them as people.

This is exactly the same as the audition stage. Same types of interviews, same shots of the audience pulling faces, jeering, cheering.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the audience stuff. I don't want to hear the crowd screaming at a mediocre performance, as they currently are to this awful boy band. Plus I think it skews the judges opinions. If the audience react well, they think "great", when I don't think the audience is always right. If they were, 40 people wouldn't have been kicked out last night because the judges got carried away at the auditions.
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:29
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The audience reactions are often faked though - I know someone who has been to a few live shows and they are basically threatened with eviction if they don't scream and be overhyped for every act.

It totally ruins it for me when the audience scream before they even finish the first note - impossible to hear if they can hold the note in most cases, but then maybe that's the point...................
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Old 25-09-2011, 20:40
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I agree. I hate the audience being there, sometimes their cheering is louder than the contestants, really annoying! It's all manufactured by the producers and edited to make it all looks certain way. I much preferred it when the auditions were simply in a room with no backing track....
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Old 25-09-2011, 22:20
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Ugh, and if the audience is this bad at the auditions and bootcamp, imagine how noisy they're going to be at the live shows?

It almost drove me bonkers last year with all the screaming; you couldn't hear a thing.

At auditions and bootcamp, the contestants only have to sing one note in tune and the audience are in hysterics. It's so annoying!
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Old 25-09-2011, 22:23
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Just think guys...you thought the final was bad last year with the screaming and name shouting...just think what it will be like this year since the final is at Wembley. You wont be able to hear dermot he will have to go "QUIET GUYS QUIET WE NEED TO HEAR THE JUDGESSSS".
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Old 25-09-2011, 22:29
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I think its a way of finding out who appeals to the public and who can hack the pressure.
I like the audience reactions.
In a nutshell, yes.

It's invaluable for them to know who can perform on a stage with an audience and who cannot.
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Old 25-09-2011, 23:39
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In a nutshell, yes.

It's invaluable for them to know who can perform on a stage with an audience and who cannot.
Agreed, but thats what the (new style) auditions are for. There was no distinction between the auditions and this live performance so what did the judges actually learn about each contestant.

Its basically getting to the point where we never get to see raw talent, ie one person in a room singing for their life. All emotion and raw pure talent is drowned by stupid screaming audience members.
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Old 26-09-2011, 09:46
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I too hate the auditions & boot camp being in front of a large crowd.. Having closed room auditions didn''t hinder the earlier series contests from performing in public and has never prevented American idol contestants from doing a live performance in front of an audience & 10 times the t.v vieing figures.
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Old 26-09-2011, 09:50
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It brought out the worst of David Wilder so perhaps we should be grateful!

I suppose the ultimate goal is to perform in front of people so there's no harm in doing it earlier? Not sure, really.
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Old 26-09-2011, 10:20
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I'm sorry, I know others will disagree, but this is messing with the format needlessly. I hated it when they took the auditions out of an intimate setting and into an arena. Firstly, because I like to see PROGRESSION in the format. Mostly because I loathe the noisy crowds.

Now they've ruined Boot camp too, which was always about the intensity and the contestants competing against and for each other. It just feels like the audition stage all over again.

What on earth is the point in the live finals if they've already performed to bigger crowds at every part of the process?

"YES" to the new judging panel. "NO" to the endless format f*cking.
This is one of the most sensible things I've ever seen written on DS about X Factor. The remarks you made are salient and something I've also felt for the longest time. Sadly, they will never listen. It's a case of too many cooks in that several companies with various needs are involved in a single show. The fact is, we the audience, see the show as one thing, while the production itself, sees it as something else. At the end of the day, what they mean by 'making the show better' is purely about ratings & advertising, and not what we want at all...
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Old 26-09-2011, 10:32
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The thing I hate about the audience being there is, it slows down how many acts we see.

If you watch clips from previous years (1 - 5), you'll see the majority of auditions last 2 - 3 minutes on screen. Now, we literally have to sit through ONE act for 8 minutes.
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Old 26-09-2011, 10:46
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The thing I hate about the audience being there is, it slows down how many acts we see.

If you watch clips from previous years (1 - 5), you'll see the majority of auditions last 2 - 3 minutes on screen. Now, we literally have to sit through ONE act for 8 minutes.
It's all the background stuff, shots of them going on the bus to the audition, sob story, shots of the audience etc. It's all just fillers. Add in the ad breaks and the producers are getting away with showing us less and less singing.
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Old 26-09-2011, 10:47
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I totally agree with the OP. The whole point of Bootcamp has always been to put the contestants through their paces, see how they work under pressure doing things they don't usually do, whether that be dancing or singing in a group. Then after that it's singing alone again at the Judge's Houses, then finally the live shows where they get to perform to a crowd for the first time since their audition. If they're performing infront of a huge crowd every step of the way (excluding Judge's Houses) then there's not as much nerves and pressure for them at the live shows and they've already heard how audiences are reacting to them.

I preferred the auditions being held in a room with just the contestant and judges. No backing tracks, no audience screaming whenever a mediocre note is sung, just raw talent.

Sometimes someone is awful and the audience go wild (for a laugh I presume) and they're put through. The judges often say "The audience loved it". I'd rather someone was put through because a) they can sing and b) the judges thought they were good, not the audience.
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Old 26-09-2011, 11:59
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I agree - I was bored to death with last night's show - it was just the auditions all over again. I agree with the person who said we seem to see less and less actual singing - sometimes we just heard a short burst of an audition and then the judges saying how fantastic it was - well I'd like to hear for myself! Even before the live format they seemed to do this more and more at Bootcamp, a contestant would start singing and then be interrupted by a voice over giving their sob story I really don't know what kind of audience they are aiming for - presumably people who hate music and would rather hear as little of it as possible
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Old 26-09-2011, 12:07
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There's supposed to be growth on X-Factor.

Audition - first time meeting the Judges, very intimate and private audition
Bootcamp - working with other succesful auditionees, doing challenges and working on performance skills in front of judges and other contestants
Judges Houses - using everything you've learned from your audition and proving to your mentor (and it should be your MENTOR only, I don't see the point in 'celebrity friends' being there) that they should select you
Live Shows - first time performing to a studio audience

I'm suprised they don't start having an audience at the judges houses stage as well.
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Old 26-09-2011, 12:40
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Yes, the process is more of the same now.

Live audition .... with a braying audience.

Bootcamp...... with a braying audience.

Live finals ...... with a braying audience.
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Old 26-09-2011, 12:44
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I'm sorry, I know others will disagree, but this is messing with the format needlessly. I hated it when they took the auditions out of an intimate setting and into an arena. Firstly, because I like to see PROGRESSION in the format. Mostly because I loathe the noisy crowds.

Now they've ruined Boot camp too, which was always about the intensity and the contestants competing against and for each other. It just feels like the audition stage all over again.

What on earth is the point in the live finals if they've already performed to bigger crowds at every part of the process?

"YES" to the new judging panel. "NO" to the endless format f*cking.
I agree with you totally. I started a thread yesterday saying how i didn't like this years format to be told by others that it had been that way since 2009. Yet I always watch the X Factor. I remember 2009 and Olly and Joe and the show back then wasn't like it is now.
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Old 26-09-2011, 12:48
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I too hate the auditions & boot camp being in front of a large crowd.. Having closed room auditions didn''t hinder the earlier series contests from performing in public and has never prevented American idol contestants from doing a live performance in front of an audience & 10 times the t.v vieing figures.
I totally agree, and this is why I still prefer Idol to this day. It might look cheap and low budget to some people compared to XF, but I actually enjoy watching the judges being able to interact with the contestants properly in the audition, which is virtually impossible with that screaming audience
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