[noise747]

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4...12-launch.html



We will see, they said it was going to launch early this year and yet it did not. i still think launching in 2012 is a mistake and they should have launched earlier, but we will see what happens.

[finbaar]

Holding my breath now. Luckily I can hold it for up to two years.

[captainkremmen]

It's more likely they delayed due to technical issues and wanted these sorted out as much as possible, first before launch. We've all seen what happens when products are launched without being stable (hello Philips and Technika/Pace). Also with Sky coming on board late they probable also wanted to make sure their technical input could be incorporated so that their Sky Go player works correctly too.

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by captainkremmen

It's more likely they delayed due to technical issues and wanted these sorted out as much as possible, first before launch. We've all seen what happens when products are launched without being stable (hello Philips and Technika/Pace). Also with Sky coming on board late they probable also wanted to make sure their technical input could be incorporated so that their Sky Go player works correctly too.

i can understand that, but I still think they have left it too late. More and more people I know are now replacing their set top boxes for new T.V sets and getting new HD freeview recorders, they are not going to go out next year and buy a You View box just because it may offer something different via broadband.

Even people who got HD TV sets already are just buying new digital recorders, most of them are going for HD as they may as well, again they are not going to buy another one next year.

Maybe if You View had been out before the central switch over it may have had a chance.

[captainkremmen]

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Originally Posted by noise747

i can understand that, but I still think they have left it too late. More and more people I know are now replacing their set top boxes for new T.V sets and getting new HD freeview recorders, they are not going to go out next year and buy a You View box just because it may offer something different via broadband.

Even people who got HD TV sets already are just buying new digital recorders, most of them are going for HD as they may as well, again they are not going to buy another one next year.

Maybe if You View had been out before the central switch over it may have had a chance.

Very true. It may have come too late to be mass market for a few years, until most of us start to replace our HD boxes in 4 or 5 years time. It depends how popular the IP TV side becomes. If they manage to get a good range of broadcasters onside, and it is massively advertised, it might do OK, but like you I don't think it will be anything more than a niche product for a few years.

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by captainkremmen

Very true. It may have come too late to be mass market for a few years, until most of us start to replace our HD boxes in 4 or 5 years time. It depends how popular the IP TV side becomes. If they manage to get a good range of broadcasters onside, and it is massively advertised, it might do OK, but like you I don't think it will be anything more than a niche product for a few years.

4-5 years is a fair bit of time, if there are only a few users then content providers are not going to bother and how long can BT and Talk Talk keep subsiding the system?

Maybe in 4-5 years there will be better broadband coverage at a speed that is needed for something like You view. I still can't see myself bothering to be honest, If my PVr goes belly up in the next few years, which I hope it don't I will just get another normal PVR, I don't think will bother with HD either.

[1andrew1]

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Originally Posted by noise747

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4...12-launch.html

We will see, they said it was going to launch early this year and yet it did not. i still think launching in 2012 is a mistake and they should have launched earlier, but we will see what happens.

BT's CEO is now saying "Middle of the [2012] calendar year" in this recent video, see 2.52 onwards. An interesting clip in which he says that "true interactivity" is more important.
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/techa...-27804550.html

[noise747]

It keeps getting pushed back, it will be next year before they launch the way it is going.
interactive that all they seem to be bothered with, not what content is going to be on it, but how can they get the people to give them more information so they can bombard us with even more crap.

This is how T.V and video is going to be in the future, and radio as well eventually.


this is why I will stick with physical media, can't get information from them

[BigFoot87]

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-y...n-nine-months/

£20 million spent in 9 months, yet they haven't even delivered a working prototype?

WTF?!?

[daleski75]

I think this is a great idea in concept but by the time it gets released these smart internet based televisions will provide all the content you need without an extra box.

For me this really does sound like it's as dead as a dodo and spending £20 million in 9 months is nothing short of staggering.

[1andrew1]

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Originally Posted by BigFoot87

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-y...n-nine-months/

£20 million spent in 9 months, yet they haven't even delivered a working prototype?

WTF?!?

That explains why Lord Sugar fired the marketing team; they have nothing to market!

The losers from this delay are the TV companies who have all equally funded the service and got no return yet, Vestel (who might have been anticipated to make the bulk of non-subscription set top boxes), Pace (who might have been expected to make the bulk of subscription set top boxes), Talk Talk (who were expecting YouView to be their TV offering and have none at present to new subscribers) and smaller online film providers (eg Curzon) who could have piggybacked off the platform at minimal cost.

The big gainers are the existing pay-TV platforms, the smart TV manufacturers (Sony, Panasonic, LG and Samsung who prove they do not need any involvement in the service to offer the same services) and Google (who will now be seen as a safe bet as an operating system for TV manufacturers).

[ThriceShy]

While BT are messing around ensuring true interactivity for youview, do you think they might see their way clear to joining the 21st century with a HD box?

The fact that a huge company like BT has still not given a freeview HD box to its customers, who pay through the nose on long contracts, is just laughable.

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by daleski75

I think this is a great idea in concept but by the time it gets released these smart internet based televisions will provide all the content you need without an extra box.

For me this really does sound like it's as dead as a dodo and spending £20 million in 9 months is nothing short of staggering.

£20 million for nothing? good grief, that is disgusting and it is the likes of you and me for that matter that are paying for it.

Good idea, but it will be out of date before it is launched, just like Freeview and DAB is.
Have they got a working box yet? I have heard very little in the last few months and I think they will have a hard time launching it this year and by the time it is launched, people who want a HD box or T.V will have got one. They missed the boat to be honest when the central region switch over to digital trash.

As for smart internet based T.V sets, none of them have a standard, it is not like Panasonic offers the same service as Toshiba, I can't see the point as no standard,

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by ThriceShy

While BT are messing around ensuring true interactivity for youview, do you think they might see their way clear to joining the 21st century with a HD box?

The fact that a huge company like BT has still not given a freeview HD box to its customers, who pay through the nose on long contracts, is just laughable.

BT will not launch a HD BT Vision box now, they will wait for You View if/when it appears as that will be HD, mind you I think it will only be BT and Talk Talk users using it.

[daleski75]

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Originally Posted by noise747

£20 million for nothing? good grief, that is disgusting and it is the likes of you and me for that matter that are paying for it.

Good idea, but it will be out of date before it is launched, just like Freeview and DAB is.
Have they got a working box yet? I have heard very little in the last few months and I think they will have a hard time launching it this year and by the time it is launched, people who want a HD box or T.V will have got one. They missed the boat to be honest when the central region switch over to digital trash.

As for smart internet based T.V sets, none of them have a standard, it is not like Panasonic offers the same service as Toshiba, I can't see the point as no standard,

Granted there is no standard for these internet based TV's but as they now all seem to come with this connectivity anyway with lovefilm, Facebook, iPlayer etc it seems even less likely that YouView would ever catch on.

They totally missed the boat like you said and now it's all about convergence having your TV as a central hub with internet access, Skype for video chats and a bit of Facebook and yet another box doing the same stuff ain't going to cut it in my opinion.

[BigFoot87]

Even if I wasn't a Virgin Media customer, my Xbox 360 would rival almost anything YouWhen- I mean, YouView, would come up with (I say almost until Microsoft add PVR functionality to a game console which they have a patent for).

I don't understand why its taken so long and £20 million to rollout YouView, especially when there are already certain Freeview HD PVRs out there with network connectivity and VOD apps such as iPlayer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't YouView:
[LIST][*]Freeview[*]plus PVR[*]plus HD[*]plus Networked[*]plus Apps[/LIST]


Its not as if they've been asked to do something truly revolutionary here, when compared to some of the boxes I could buy tonight from Tesco.

At this rate their gonna miss the London Olympics, an ideal showcase event to push this type of device to the general public (if anyone is still interested in YouView by then).

[1andrew1]

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Originally Posted by BigFoot87

At this rate their gonna miss the London Olympics, an ideal showcase event to push this type of device to the general public (if anyone is still interested in YouView by then).

I think pre-Olympics is YouView's deadline but they need to be a few months before in order for people to buy the equipment and get used to it.

Harvard's new View21 brand which was hoping to take a large chunk of YouView sales appears to be set to launch non-You View internet connected boxes very shortly. They seem to have given up waiting but I don't know if they will be upgradable when YouView does launch.
http://www.very.co.uk/view21-vw11fvs.../999548434.prd

[goonerob]

Talk Talk are part of it ,does this mean a new box from TalkTalk tv or will the one I have from them get an upgrade?

[captainkremmen]

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Originally Posted by goonerob

Talk Talk are part of it ,does this mean a new box from TalkTalk tv or will the one I have from them get an upgrade?

It means TT will be offering deals on a YouView PVR when they launch (PVR and broadband included in monthly cost), but which manufacturer's box they will provide we don't yet know. They may offer an upgrade, they may not, we don't know yet and you may have to contact them and ask once YouView launches.

[Gormond]

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Originally Posted by BigFoot87

Even if I wasn't a Virgin Media customer, my Xbox 360 would rival almost anything YouWhen- I mean, YouView, would come up with (I say almost until Microsoft add PVR functionality to a game console which they have a patent for).

I don't understand why its taken so long and £20 million to rollout YouView, especially when there are already certain Freeview HD PVRs out there with network connectivity and VOD apps such as iPlayer.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't YouView:
[LIST][*]Freeview[*]plus PVR[*]plus HD[*]plus Networked[*]plus Apps[/LIST]


Its not as if they've been asked to do something truly revolutionary here, when compared to some of the boxes I could buy tonight from Tesco.

At this rate their gonna miss the London Olympics, an ideal showcase event to push this type of device to the general public (if anyone is still interested in YouView by then).

Yes but it's a standard platform with standard specs. Once it's up and running it will be far more functional than anything that currently exists.

[swedish cook]

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Originally Posted by Gormond

Yes but it's a standard platform with standard specs. Once it's up and running it will be far more functional than anything that currently exists.

As a standard platform with the likes of BBC, ITV, BT and TalkTalk it promises to grab a high % of the market, so you'd expect to see not only the obvious catchup TV services but LoveFilm, Netflix and many other pay per view services too.

[Gormond]

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think pre-Olympics is YouView's deadline but they need to be a few months before in order for people to buy the equipment and get used to it.

Harvard's new View21 brand which was hoping to take a large chunk of YouView sales appears to be set to launch non-You View internet connected boxes very shortly. They seem to have given up waiting but I don't know if they will be upgradable when YouView does launch.
http://www.very.co.uk/view21-vw11fvs.../999548434.prd

Doesn't look to be anywhere near the youview minimum spec so it won't be upgradable.

As previously mentioned, the min spec is:

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[LIST][*]Twin DVB-T2 tuners[*]Embedded Linux 2.6.23 or later operating system[*]Maximum of 26*dB of fan noise[*]720p graphics plane[*]MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 video[*]RGB SCART socket[*]HDMI 1.3 socket[*]Powered RF loop-through[*]Optical or coaxial S/PDIF connection[*]Up to 5.1 surround sound[*]Ethernet port supporting 10BASE-T and 100BASE-TX[*]802.11n wireless support, integrated or via a USB adapter[*]950*MHz CPU[*]Two USB 2.0 sockets[*]Support for USB mass storage devices[*]320*GB hard disk drive (30*GB reserved for pushed content)[*]Support for on hard disk drive encryption using AES128 or Triple DES[*]512*MB of RAM[/LIST]

[noise747]

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Originally Posted by swedish cook

As a standard platform with the likes of BBC, ITV, BT and TalkTalk it promises to grab a high % of the market, so you'd expect to see not only the obvious catchup TV services but LoveFilm, Netflix and many other pay per view services too.

Depends how many BT and Talk Talk gives out and what people have to sign up for to get the box. BT Vision have not done well at all, so if You View don't do much better then it will be a waste of time. Will people sign up for a 24 month contract to get a you View box, because i expect that is what Bt and Talk Talk will want from people, after all they are not going to give a box away and let people leave after 12 or 18 months.

How many people will buy another HD box? a lot of people would have gone HD if they wanted to by now, are they going to spend out again? I know I would not even if I was not giving up my t.v licence.

[BigFoot87]

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Originally Posted by Gormond

Yes but it's a standard platform with standard specs. Once it's up and running it will be far more functional than anything that currently exists.

For £20 million I'd hope so.

[Gormond]

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Originally Posted by BigFoot87

For £20 million I'd hope so.

I thought the cost was at over £100 million?

Either way I agree