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Copying VHS to DVD
The Panasonic machine boasts of the improvement in quality BUT as most VHS tapes are 3 hours long..
one has to record on EP standard to get the full tape on the DVD.. Do the Boasts refer to transferring each tape at SP quality thus transferring only 2 Hours at each session? |
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TBH the crappy quality of VHS is hardly going to be further degraded by doing that.
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Blunt but Ok by me as it gives me a starter..
Could I extend to ask.. What about MiniDV tape relative to DVD speeds please? |
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Use 4 hour tapes.
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If you want to copy VHS to dvd its best to get a dvd recorder with a hard drive.
You can then copy all the tapes you want to the drive then edit it all ,resequence it or do whatever you like with it once you've checked the recordings are ok. If you copy everything to the drive in XP then you can do a real time re-encode to any dvd-r and the Panny will copy it over in the best quality for the running time. To prevent lost quality you are best putting 2h20 max onto one disc . Copying directly to dvd results in an amateurish mess , not least of all because every cockup that happens will cost you a blank. If you are PC literate you could copy to a -RW then do your editing on the PC if you don't want to get a HDD recorder. Its also important to know what you are copying. If the content of the VHS tape is available commercially anyway don't waste time creating vhs quality dvd's. If the VHS tapes are commercial releases you might also come across copy protection problems. VHS is only worthwhile copying to dvd if the vhs tape is absolutely the only source of the content |
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miniDV is 90 at best. However a mini DV in theory records at about 10GB an hour so a 90 minute miniDV is 15GB in size. So in theory you are losing some quality when you re-compress a miniDV tape to DVD, but in practice I doubt you will notice much difference.
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A lot to think about there porkpie..Ta ever so..
All the tapes are of our holidays over the last 20 years and indeed some are on VHS240 tape lengths... The idea of -RW DVDs seems attractive but would no doubtmean buying a PC propgramme to do the dediting?or are there Free ones about perhaps..? PC seems good as Hiccup is getting at the TV whilst wife is watching Soaps in the evening..and now BB as well!!. |
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miniDV is 90 at best. However a mini DV in theory records at about 10GB an hour so a 90 minute miniDV is 15GB in size. So in theory you are losing some quality when you re-compress a miniDV tape to DVD, but in practice I doubt you will notice much difference.
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I believe you can get a panny DVD recorder with HDD that you can edit the clips on without having to download to a PC. However I suspect its going to be cumbersome and time consuming without a keyboard and mouse.
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Can you use dual layer dvds in your dvd recorder? That will give you about 4 hours of reasonable quality video.
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The idea of -RW DVDs seems attractive but would no doubtmean buying a PC propgramme to do the dediting?or are there Free ones about perhaps..?
. http://www.techsupportalert.com/cont...g-software.htm Plenty of others too. http://www.videohelp.com/ is also a very good site. |
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A lot to think about there porkpie..Ta ever so..
All the tapes are of our holidays over the last 20 years and indeed some are on VHS240 tape lengths... The idea of -RW DVDs seems attractive but would no doubtmean buying a PC propgramme to do the dediting?or are there Free ones about perhaps..? PC seems good as Hiccup is getting at the TV whilst wife is watching Soaps in the evening..and now BB as well!!. Lots of software out there that can do this with proper menus to access the individual titles. Recording in real time to a DVD recorder is very inflexible by comparison. |
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A lot to think about there porkpie..Ta ever so..
All the tapes are of our holidays over the last 20 years and indeed some are on VHS240 tape lengths... The idea of -RW DVDs seems attractive but would no doubtmean buying a PC propgramme to do the dediting?or are there Free ones about perhaps..? PC seems good as Hiccup is getting at the TV whilst wife is watching Soaps in the evening..and now BB as well!!. I'm not that computer literate so I wouldn't even consider using PC . I've had enough trouble creating dvd's in the past. Real time re-encoding is not ideal but it does ensure that if you put 1h40 onto a disc it will fill the disc at best quality. If you want to do a high speed copy then any recording on the PC (or HDD) has to be the right quality setting . For example - if you want to put 2h20 onto a disc and do it at high speed then the recording on the PC or hard drive needs to be at the right quality otherwise you'll need to re-encode and that can't be done at high speed. Lets say that once you have copied all your tapes over you have 30 hours of content. Once its all there you can go through it and you may want to edit bits out , you may want to put one particular bit onto a disc with another section from another tape that you'd forgetten about or you may want to mix n match generally. Now once you've got all your separate recordings ready and you know what you want together you can copy them to dvd. Because of all the editing etc you won't have any idea what the total running time will be so it will be impossible to ensure the recordings are all at the exact right quality level to allow for high speed copying. For example - you might record everything at the 2h20 level but then you find that the disc content for one disc will only be 1h35. That means you'll be left with 45 minutes of blank disc , and blank space is lost quality. If you do them all as real time re-encodes it ensures that the disc is filled and the quality is the best possible for that running time - and when you are copying content that is already VHS quality you don't want to lose anymore. Doing the copies all in real time does mean it might take ages to do them all but this is a once in a lifetime task so once its done thats the end of it (although always keep the tapes somewhere just in case). High speed burning is more convenient but it would be hard to ensure its all recorded correctly and not waste some disc space. As its only a one off I think its best to make the discs as good as possible. Although for my normal tv recordings I usually always try and ensure a high speed burn is possible , but in the case of doing the home video tapes I opted for XP as every disc I ended up with had a different running time. One more thing - if you're not that bothered by making them neat and tidy and in order or edited in anyway , you should copy them all over in SP which is 2 hours and you should find it fairly easy to keep the running time to no more than 2 hours so you'll be able to high speed copy. Keep the total to as close to 2 hours as possible to maximise the disc space Depending on how old your PC is you may not even have a hard drive large enough to hold 30 hours of video content for dvd Of course , 30 hours was just my figure from nowhere |
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I have copied a few VHS tapes onto the hard drive of my Toshiba DVD Recorder, and then transferred to discs. Black and white films copy quite well, but colour looks dreadful. Very smudgy and grainy even copying at SP Speed.
This is because the resolution on tapes is much poorer than DVD anyway. Still, I have manage to save a few tapes for my archives which makes it worthwhile. |
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I have copied a few VHS tapes onto the hard drive of my Toshiba DVD Recorder, and then transferred to discs. Black and white films copy quite well, but colour looks dreadful. Very smudgy and grainy even copying at SP Speed.
This is because the resolution on tapes is much poorer than DVD anyway. Still, I have manage to save a few tapes for my archives which makes it worthwhile. They look like VHS which is what they are . VHS is the same resolution when copied to dvd - it doesn't suddenly get worse. In SP you should be able to play the recording on one input and the original VHS on another input and not be able to tell the difference. |
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Well set top recorders are constant bitrate, best two pass encodes to fit max quality on a dvd or anything requires ripping to a pc and then good quality software to do the encode. Can 3 hours of vhs be fit on a dvd? Probably, most of the bitrate will be used to encode the analog fuzziness, the constantly changing analog noise probably is hard on the encoder. Vhs actual resolution is pretty darn low...it probably doesn't matter all that much either way, but for the absolute best you are going to have to rip it to a pc first, then you can reencode as you like. Home movies and such might merit such effort, commercial tapes? ..not so much...
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Read and re-read with interest..
I now have a major autumn/winter project which i will tackle 2 ways.. with both HDD and Pc recordings for the initial vhs take-offs.. as on some i only want possibly say 10 minutes out of 3 hours whereas on others around an hour is more likely.. Some of my tapes cover the Benny Hill period and my wife and I still enjoy seeing the Rascal and his Angels .. which are now deemed too sexist and demeaning to show again on mainstream TV.. No way at my time of life am i going to get involved with Double Layer DVDs.. Many thanks to all Stan |
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Hi there, in case it hasn't been mentioned Lidl's were selling a kit for £19.99 last week to enable VHS to DVD, I bought one but haven't tried it yet.
Hope this helps |
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Thanks for that newbee.. but sadly our Local Lidls is being Refurbed since the Riots..They only pinched the Booze...
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Read and re-read with interest..
I now have a major autumn/winter project which i will tackle 2 ways.. with both HDD and Pc recordings for the initial vhs take-offs.. as on some i only want possibly say 10 minutes out of 3 hours whereas on others around an hour is more likely.. Some of my tapes cover the Benny Hill period and my wife and I still enjoy seeing the Rascal and his Angels .. which are now deemed too sexist and demeaning to show again on mainstream TV.. No way at my time of life am i going to get involved with Double Layer DVDs.. Many thanks to all Stan I only use DL discs if its to put a whole tv show on less discs but for home videos - no point whatsoever. If you use a set top you can copy all your tapes , hundreds of hours of content to the hard drive then sift through it later and edit out what you don't need. Once you have it exactly as you want it you can burn the dvd's. Only a PC from the last couple of years might be able to handle hundreds of hours of video content in addition to everything else it does whereas a set top is dedicated to doing just that. If its more than just a few tapes you should definitely go for a set top. Why not kill two birds with one stone and get a new Panasonic which has a choice of twin tuners for Freeview or Freesat aswell as a choice of recording to just dvd or to Bluray and dvd. If you don't have a PVR currently the Panasonic device will be a good addition for your setup once you've finished the copying. And they are suitable for recording HD too and for copying it to Bluray |
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A handy solution for vhs to dvd conversion is Rescue your Videotapes
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A handy solution for vhs to dvd conversion is Rescue your Videotapes
I had several problems with it, including incorrect interlace ordering, which results in that "comb" like tearing to moving objects. Someone I know had produced his own DVDs- entirely independently of me- that exhibited the same problem, and it turned out he was using version of the same software. So it obviously wasn't just bad luck in my case. That was just one of many problems. It had features that looked good on paper- and might well have been- but the endless bugs and glitches made it not worth touching with a barge pole. |
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For years I've been connecting my VCR to my Pioneer dvd recorder with perfect results ( even with NTSC tapes) so I started selling the service on ebay and all my customers have been happy . I have a special scart lead that removes copy protection on the odd occasions I need to transfer a film not released on dvd too and it all works well .
Can't get the fancy menus that doing it on the PC can but that was so tedious I didn't do it for long . Pioneer recorders can also accept the PAL 60 output of an NTSC tape played on a UK VCR - but Panasonic cannot . Unfortunately Pioneer stopped doing dvd recorders quite a while ago |
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