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and they wonder why people download illegally ..
Record labels really need to get their acts together. I'm loving the new Gym Class Heroes ft. Adam Levine single 'Stereo Hearts' which is getting loads of airplay on the music channels, so I go to iTunes to discover its not released yet, not until Oct 9th. However its available on the US iTunes store. When are the labels going to learn. People no longer want to wait 2 months for a single to be released, especially when its getting masses of airplay and is released else where (so even more likely for copies to surface online). I've lost count of the times that I've loved a song only to be bored of it by the time its officially released several weeks later.
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What would Robin Hood do?
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Record labels really need to get their acts together. I'm loving the new Gym Class Heroes ft. Adam Levine single 'Stereo Hearts' which is getting loads of airplay on the music channels, so I go to iTunes to discover its not released yet, not until Oct 9th. However its available on the US iTunes store. When are the labels going to learn. People no longer want to wait 2 months for a single to be released, especially when its getting masses of airplay and is released else where (so even more likely for copies to surface online). I've lost count of the times that I've loved a song only to be bored of it by the time its officially released several weeks later.
I posted something similar to this a few months back and got lynched by people on here. Apparently more people like waiting for their singles... but I just thought I'd say that I totally agree with you!! ![]() ![]() ![]()
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The only time i buy singles is if i like the song and it's for charity, the last single i bought was last December, Boots by The Killers.
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I never cared about digital downloads, so I'm not sympathizing with you a lot
.However, I understand that it's a problem, but the on air-on sale thing didn't work that much for the labels, so now we're back to the radio premiere, video premiere and release happening in a different week or even a different month Anyway, it's not about the labels, it's about the UK music audience because they do focus on chart positions for singles which is quite pointless.The only chart position that matters is the peak, but in the UK the single is released and then starts sliding its way out of the charts.In the US, singles debut, disappear, re-enter and may peak even 4-5 months after their release, so it seems better there.The whole UK industry will have to change to solve the problem you mentioned, though
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I do illegally download songs if they aren't out; I'm impatient when it comes to that.
But then when it gets to the release date, I'm already bored of it! e.g. All About Tonight - Pixie Lott. I woulda bought it if it was on the On Air On Sale, but no. |
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The thing is, all the record labels care about is money. So clearly they're doing whatever gets them the most sales.
And in countries like the US where everything is on air, on sale, there's still a lot of illegal downloading there, so it would'nt solve the problem completely (although it would help a lot). It's true what Michel said though. In the US it's common for songs to go top 10, fall out of the top 100 for a couple of months then get back in the top 10 again. For example, Moves Like Jagger got to #1 on iTunes the week it was released, then fell out of the top 50, and then got back to #1 again. In the UK, this wouldn't really happen (and if it did, everybody would laugh and call it a "flop" like they do when Cher Lloyd and JLS fall in the charts, such is the attitude of British people, but then that's the reason why they're holding the songs back...). |
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It's only like 10 days away.
But i thought tunes could be downloaded as soon as they are aired on radio... |
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It's only like 10 days away.
But i thought tunes could be downloaded as soon as they are aired on radio... |
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One argument that would slightly defeat the OP's stance though is Emili Sande's "Heaven". It was played on Radio 1 two months before it was due to be released. It made the music channels a good 4-5 weeks before release as well but it still entered the charts at number 2.
While I personally think that "creating buzz" is outdated, that single proved it still does occasionally work. But I do agree for the large part though - when a single is released to radio, it should be available to buy as well. |
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I never buy singles, but I kind of think if you get bored with it after a couple of weeks then it's probably not worth buying in the first place...
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I'm loving the new Gym Class Heroes ft. Adam Levine single 'Stereo Hearts' which is getting loads of airplay on the music channels, so I go to iTunes to discover its not released yet, not until Oct 9th. However its available on the US iTunes store. When are the labels going to learn. People no longer want to wait 2 months for a single to be released
I didn't want to wait so I broke into the store and stole one.... Oh,....,,what........did I do something wrong? |
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I think songs should be on iTunes a maximum of 2 weeks after they get their first airplay.
I can understand wanting to build up a bit of hype and airplay before release...but some of the delays are ridiculous. the Sugababes 'Freedom' fiasco being a prime example. |
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Yeah, I was at my local Sainsburys today and noticed that they were opening at midnight next week to start selling the latest EA Sports FIFA computer game.
I didn't want to wait so I broke into the store and stole one.... Oh,....,,what........did I do something wrong? Plus, you'd be charged for breaking and entering, shoplifting, and probably stuck with an ASBO ![]() But seriously, I don't see why there's a problem with illegally downloading a single or two. If they're that good, they should make you want to part with your money and hold your attention for that long. For example, I bought Rizzle Kicks' song a month after I heard it, because I felt it was a strong enough song to buy, even though I had an illegal copy. I spend a lot of money on iTunes, and I purchase plenty of albums, where some people just burn them from a torrent. I buy DVDs and games instead of using copies, because I don't think its fair that people work so hard for pittance. But when it comes to a single, if I don't like the artist, but like the song, I'll buy it. They'll make no more profit, and no less. I'd want to be compelled to buy an album, otherwise I don't want to invest in an artist. Sorry about the rant
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Surely if you really liked the song, you wouldn't get "bored" of it.
But I think this is the reason for the shite music of today, music labels are playing into the hands of the internet download generation by making disappointing, almost novelty songs to get sales quickly |
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I already posted the exact same thing.
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Surely if you really liked the song, you wouldn't get "bored" of it.
But I think this is the reason for the shite music of today, music labels are playing into the hands of the internet download generation by making disappointing, almost novelty songs to get sales quickly I do agree with you though, the music industry has made songs disposable. I can really REALLY like a song, but if I overplay it too many times, I won't listen to it. Like Give Me Everything, that was *everywhere*, and it's impossible to listen to it now. Anything potentially interesting, something new perhaps, and I wouldn't get bored. |
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I think it's a totally different kettle of fish here, we're talking £1 in comparison to something worth £50...
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But seriously, I don't see why there's a problem with illegally downloading a single or two. If they're that good
Seriously this is exactly the problem here......people who do it rationalise it to themselves on the basis that they're not actually stealing anything....but the law and the courts don't agree. |
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So stealing a £1 bag of potatoes is a different offence to stealing a £10 bottle of wine? Good luck with that in court
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If they're not good, people wouldn't want to steal them, would they?.
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Seriously this is exactly the problem here......people who do it rationalise it to themselves on the basis that they're not actually stealing anything....but the law and the courts don't agree.
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Sorry about playing Devil's Advocate
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I think for me and many others, there isn't any depth in new songs. There's nothing there to discover! You hear what you hear and that's it.
I do agree with you though, the music industry has made songs disposable. I can really REALLY like a song, but if I overplay it too many times, I won't listen to it. Like Give Me Everything, that was *everywhere*, and it's impossible to listen to it now. Anything potentially interesting, something new perhaps, and I wouldn't get bored. Holding songs back is a good thing to stop bad music getting in the charts though. After 3 months, people might get a bit bored of mediocre songs and not buy them in the end, whilst if they were available straight away, they'd've bought the boring song as a spur of the moment-type thing. |
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Holding songs back is a good thing to stop bad music getting in the charts though. After 3 months, people might get a bit bored of mediocre songs and not buy them in the end, whilst if they were available straight away, they'd've bought the boring song as a spur of the moment-type thing.
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I'd say so, wine is more recreational where potatoes would be better, as they provide key nutrients and are a staple for many British families, of which around 22% were in poverty. So yes, I would say potatoes are a good thing to steal, plus they're renewable
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Very fair point, although if they aren't good they won't be bought anyway so what's wrong with taking it illegally? No difference
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Very fair point, although if they aren't good they won't be bought anyway so what's wrong with taking it illegally? No difference
![]() Beside which stealing off someone you claim to be a "fan" of seems a rather odd way to show your appreciation... Frankly I expect they could do without fans like that! |
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Yeah, I was at my local Sainsburys today and noticed that they were opening at midnight next week to start selling the latest EA Sports FIFA computer game.
I didn't want to wait so I broke into the store and stole one.... Oh,....,,what........did I do something wrong? Here, the record company has a product ready to sell, and people willing to buy it but is holding off on making that product available buy. That doens't make theft any more morally justified, but the quite sensible point the OP is making is that holding back release dates like this in an age of easy digital download makes no practical sense and will only reduce legal sales. |
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On the other side of the coin to illegal downloads:
I strongly object to that lowlife bunch of crooks going round small businesses attempting to extort money simply because two women in an office want to listen to the radio - As far as I'm concerned the broadcaster has already paid the appropriate fees, and the law on this needs changing. So while such practice continues there is a certain element of poetic justice, you reap what you sow as they say. |
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.However, I understand that it's a problem, but the on air-on sale thing didn't work that much for the labels, so now we're back to the radio premiere, video premiere and release happening in a different week or even a different month


