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Old 29-09-2011, 20:41
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Record labels really need to get their acts together. I'm loving the new Gym Class Heroes ft. Adam Levine single 'Stereo Hearts' which is getting loads of airplay on the music channels, so I go to iTunes to discover its not released yet, not until Oct 9th. However its available on the US iTunes store. When are the labels going to learn. People no longer want to wait 2 months for a single to be released, especially when its getting masses of airplay and is released else where (so even more likely for copies to surface online). I've lost count of the times that I've loved a song only to be bored of it by the time its officially released several weeks later.
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Old 29-09-2011, 20:59
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What would Robin Hood do?
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Old 29-09-2011, 21:00
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Record labels really need to get their acts together. I'm loving the new Gym Class Heroes ft. Adam Levine single 'Stereo Hearts' which is getting loads of airplay on the music channels, so I go to iTunes to discover its not released yet, not until Oct 9th. However its available on the US iTunes store. When are the labels going to learn. People no longer want to wait 2 months for a single to be released, especially when its getting masses of airplay and is released else where (so even more likely for copies to surface online). I've lost count of the times that I've loved a song only to be bored of it by the time its officially released several weeks later.

I posted something similar to this a few months back and got lynched by people on here. Apparently more people like waiting for their singles... but I just thought I'd say that I totally agree with you!!
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Old 29-09-2011, 21:03
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The only time i buy singles is if i like the song and it's for charity, the last single i bought was last December, Boots by The Killers.
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Old 29-09-2011, 21:04
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I never cared about digital downloads, so I'm not sympathizing with you a lot .However, I understand that it's a problem, but the on air-on sale thing didn't work that much for the labels, so now we're back to the radio premiere, video premiere and release happening in a different week or even a different month

Anyway, it's not about the labels, it's about the UK music audience because they do focus on chart positions for singles which is quite pointless.The only chart position that matters is the peak, but in the UK the single is released and then starts sliding its way out of the charts.In the US, singles debut, disappear, re-enter and may peak even 4-5 months after their release, so it seems better there.The whole UK industry will have to change to solve the problem you mentioned, though
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Old 29-09-2011, 21:11
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I do illegally download songs if they aren't out; I'm impatient when it comes to that.
But then when it gets to the release date, I'm already bored of it!
e.g. All About Tonight - Pixie Lott. I woulda bought it if it was on the On Air On Sale, but no.
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Old 29-09-2011, 21:20
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The thing is, all the record labels care about is money. So clearly they're doing whatever gets them the most sales.

And in countries like the US where everything is on air, on sale, there's still a lot of illegal downloading there, so it would'nt solve the problem completely (although it would help a lot).

It's true what Michel said though. In the US it's common for songs to go top 10, fall out of the top 100 for a couple of months then get back in the top 10 again.

For example, Moves Like Jagger got to #1 on iTunes the week it was released, then fell out of the top 50, and then got back to #1 again. In the UK, this wouldn't really happen (and if it did, everybody would laugh and call it a "flop" like they do when Cher Lloyd and JLS fall in the charts, such is the attitude of British people, but then that's the reason why they're holding the songs back...).
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Old 29-09-2011, 21:30
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It's only like 10 days away.

But i thought tunes could be downloaded as soon as they are aired on radio...
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Old 29-09-2011, 22:03
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It's only like 10 days away.

But i thought tunes could be downloaded as soon as they are aired on radio...
Well I know its only 10 days in this case, but back in May the music channels started playing the video for the Six D track 'Best Damn Night' and it wasn't released until late July. Its just stupid. If a track becomes popular from airplay on the radio or music channels, its not going to be hampered by being available to download straight away, they'll just sell a few hundred/thousand and simmer at the low end of the charts. The only thing labels are missing on out is the ability to claim something going straight into the charts at No1. But these days, once someone's released an album, the next singles all start charting weeks before and then hit the top 10 when the full promotion kicks in. I just think the labels need to stop clinging to the old models and embrace the fact that kids these days want to listen to their music now. If they can't buy it, then they'll just listen to them on YouTube or download them illegally.
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Old 29-09-2011, 22:10
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One argument that would slightly defeat the OP's stance though is Emili Sande's "Heaven". It was played on Radio 1 two months before it was due to be released. It made the music channels a good 4-5 weeks before release as well but it still entered the charts at number 2.

While I personally think that "creating buzz" is outdated, that single proved it still does occasionally work.

But I do agree for the large part though - when a single is released to radio, it should be available to buy as well.
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:11
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I never buy singles, but I kind of think if you get bored with it after a couple of weeks then it's probably not worth buying in the first place...
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:18
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I'm loving the new Gym Class Heroes ft. Adam Levine single 'Stereo Hearts' which is getting loads of airplay on the music channels, so I go to iTunes to discover its not released yet, not until Oct 9th. However its available on the US iTunes store. When are the labels going to learn. People no longer want to wait 2 months for a single to be released
Yeah, I was at my local Sainsburys today and noticed that they were opening at midnight next week to start selling the latest EA Sports FIFA computer game.

I didn't want to wait so I broke into the store and stole one....

Oh,....,,what........did I do something wrong?
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:24
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I think songs should be on iTunes a maximum of 2 weeks after they get their first airplay.

I can understand wanting to build up a bit of hype and airplay before release...but some of the delays are ridiculous. the Sugababes 'Freedom' fiasco being a prime example.
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:29
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Yeah, I was at my local Sainsburys today and noticed that they were opening at midnight next week to start selling the latest EA Sports FIFA computer game.

I didn't want to wait so I broke into the store and stole one....

Oh,....,,what........did I do something wrong?
I think it's a totally different kettle of fish here, we're talking £1 in comparison to something worth £50...

Plus, you'd be charged for breaking and entering, shoplifting, and probably stuck with an ASBO

But seriously, I don't see why there's a problem with illegally downloading a single or two. If they're that good, they should make you want to part with your money and hold your attention for that long. For example, I bought Rizzle Kicks' song a month after I heard it, because I felt it was a strong enough song to buy, even though I had an illegal copy.

I spend a lot of money on iTunes, and I purchase plenty of albums, where some people just burn them from a torrent. I buy DVDs and games instead of using copies, because I don't think its fair that people work so hard for pittance. But when it comes to a single, if I don't like the artist, but like the song, I'll buy it. They'll make no more profit, and no less. I'd want to be compelled to buy an album, otherwise I don't want to invest in an artist.

Sorry about the rant
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:33
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Surely if you really liked the song, you wouldn't get "bored" of it.

But I think this is the reason for the shite music of today, music labels are playing into the hands of the internet download generation by making disappointing, almost novelty songs to get sales quickly
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:36
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I already posted the exact same thing.

With things like 100 music channels and youtube its there own damm fault but their own
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:38
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Surely if you really liked the song, you wouldn't get "bored" of it.

But I think this is the reason for the shite music of today, music labels are playing into the hands of the internet download generation by making disappointing, almost novelty songs to get sales quickly
I think for me and many others, there isn't any depth in new songs. There's nothing there to discover! You hear what you hear and that's it.

I do agree with you though, the music industry has made songs disposable. I can really REALLY like a song, but if I overplay it too many times, I won't listen to it.

Like Give Me Everything, that was *everywhere*, and it's impossible to listen to it now. Anything potentially interesting, something new perhaps, and I wouldn't get bored.
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:48
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I think it's a totally different kettle of fish here, we're talking £1 in comparison to something worth £50...
So stealing a £1 bag of potatoes is a different offence to stealing a £10 bottle of wine? Good luck with that in court

But seriously, I don't see why there's a problem with illegally downloading a single or two. If they're that good
If they're not good, people wouldn't want to steal them, would they?.

Seriously this is exactly the problem here......people who do it rationalise it to themselves on the basis that they're not actually stealing anything....but the law and the courts don't agree.

Sorry about the rant
Sorry about playing Devil's Advocate
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Old 30-09-2011, 00:55
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So stealing a £1 bag of potatoes is a different offence to stealing a £10 bottle of wine? Good luck with that in court
I'd say so, wine is more recreational where potatoes would be better, as they provide key nutrients and are a staple for many British families, of which around 22% were in poverty. So yes, I would say potatoes are a good thing to steal, plus they're renewable

If they're not good, people wouldn't want to steal them, would they?.
Very fair point, although if they aren't good they won't be bought anyway so what's wrong with taking it illegally? No difference

Seriously this is exactly the problem here......people who do it rationalise it to themselves on the basis that they're not actually stealing anything....but the law and the courts don't agree.
The law and the courts do naff all anyway, if the laws were enforced then maybe people wouldn't do it as much. I think ISPs should at least monitor irregular behaviour, have a notification on their end if there's a constant stream of data which is more than likely a hijacked film or albums.

Sorry about playing Devil's Advocate
Perfectly fine, I'm thoroughly enjoying myself on the forum tonight, as you can tell by my name being smothered across the top of the list
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Old 30-09-2011, 01:09
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I think for me and many others, there isn't any depth in new songs. There's nothing there to discover! You hear what you hear and that's it.

I do agree with you though, the music industry has made songs disposable. I can really REALLY like a song, but if I overplay it too many times, I won't listen to it.

Like Give Me Everything, that was *everywhere*, and it's impossible to listen to it now. Anything potentially interesting, something new perhaps, and I wouldn't get bored.
Give Me Everything was actually one of the few hits this year that wasn't held back for months and months. It was on iTunes straight away, and it climbed the charts to #1 as it gained popularity. It's also the most consistently-selling song of the year!

Holding songs back is a good thing to stop bad music getting in the charts though. After 3 months, people might get a bit bored of mediocre songs and not buy them in the end, whilst if they were available straight away, they'd've bought the boring song as a spur of the moment-type thing.
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Old 30-09-2011, 01:12
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Holding songs back is a good thing to stop bad music getting in the charts though. After 3 months, people might get a bit bored of mediocre songs and not buy them in the end, whilst if they were available straight away, they'd've bought the boring song as a spur of the moment-type thing.
Very good point, I agree with that.
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Old 30-09-2011, 01:20
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I'd say so, wine is more recreational where potatoes would be better, as they provide key nutrients and are a staple for many British families, of which around 22% were in poverty. So yes, I would say potatoes are a good thing to steal, plus they're renewable
Soooooo...stealing 10 x £1 bags potatoes is less of a theft than 1 x £4 bottle of wine....bearing in mind your initial argument was about the total value of the theft and now you've swerved into the health benefits of the product being stolen......

Very fair point, although if they aren't good they won't be bought anyway so what's wrong with taking it illegally? No difference
So if I leave my van open with a load of Bush TVs in it, and you decide to steal one, that's OK, but if they're Sony Bravias you're happy to have the book thrown at you?
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Old 30-09-2011, 08:42
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Very fair point, although if they aren't good they won't be bought anyway so what's wrong with taking it illegally? No difference
I way I see it is that I want people to carry on making the music that I like and they won't do that if it doesn't make any money...

Beside which stealing off someone you claim to be a "fan" of seems a rather odd way to show your appreciation... Frankly I expect they could do without fans like that!
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Old 30-09-2011, 09:10
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Yeah, I was at my local Sainsburys today and noticed that they were opening at midnight next week to start selling the latest EA Sports FIFA computer game.

I didn't want to wait so I broke into the store and stole one....

Oh,....,,what........did I do something wrong?
That analogy doesn't really work.

Here, the record company has a product ready to sell, and people willing to buy it but is holding off on making that product available buy.

That doens't make theft any more morally justified, but the quite sensible point the OP is making is that holding back release dates like this in an age of easy digital download makes no practical sense and will only reduce legal sales.
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Old 30-09-2011, 09:19
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On the other side of the coin to illegal downloads:

I strongly object to that lowlife bunch of crooks going round small businesses attempting to extort money simply because two women in an office want to listen to the radio - As far as I'm concerned the broadcaster has already paid the appropriate fees, and the law on this needs changing.

So while such practice continues there is a certain element of poetic justice, you reap what you sow as they say.
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