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I'm from Liverpool so you're never further than five metres away from a woman in false tan and false lashes who worships the ground Beyoncé p***es on, let alone walks on.
I knew so many girls in school, they loved her to a degree that was creepy odd; they even false tanned to imitate her skin colour :O They lost their white ethnicity! I think as a pop performer she's fairly good and fun with fun dancing and ok singing but she ain't gods grace. To me she's been stealing royalties and paychecks with her daddy since she was 16 and the only difference from then is that she cut her daddy out of the picture. But in terms of her as just a singer and performer; she's cool and bit overrated. |
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I really can't be bothered to quote all the things I disagreed with when reading this thread through, but this forum is very much a pop-orientated place that doesn't necessarily have time for artists or popstars who have become artists. So on that note, let's all just agree to disagree and whoever likes Justin Bieber or Britney can be content listening to them, and whoever likes Beyonce can be content listening to her.
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Here are some videos where she talks about songwriting and working with people etc for people who always claim she's stealing stuff, doesn't give credit to certain people and whatever....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kToo6...ayer_embedded#! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-FZa...layer_embedded |
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Here are some videos where she talks about songwriting and working with people etc for people who always claim she's stealing stuff, doesn't give credit to certain people and whatever....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kToo6...ayer_embedded#! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-FZa...layer_embedded I bet she does. |
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"I actually like the arragement of the songs better than the writing"
I bet she does. |
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I really can't be bothered to quote all the things I disagreed with when reading this thread through, but this forum is very much a pop-orientated place that doesn't necessarily have time for artists or popstars who have become artists. So on that note, let's all just agree to disagree and whoever likes Justin Bieber or Britney can be content listening to them, and whoever likes Beyonce can be content listening to her.
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And by doing that you are entitled to get writing credits. It's not only about the actual lyrics, so she not stealing or lying when she has her name on them.
As for the OP's question - no, I don't think she is overrated. |
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Overrated?
Hell no.... underrated more like. Incredibly talented and this is not acknowledged enough. The music industry hardly gushes praise on her now, do they? |
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Erm no.... she fired her dad as her manager and still got No.1 album this year
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And by doing that you are entitled to get writing credits. It's not only about the actual lyrics, so she not stealing or lying when she has her name on them.
One example is when she spoke about how she came up with the idea for Irreplaceable and Listen which she barely contributed to, yet made out like these were songs that she wrote from scratch. |
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I said it before and I'll say it again she CAN sing, but why does she have to come out with so many men-bashing songs?
Yes men can be b******s to women but not all of them. Would a man be allowed to sing so much stuff like that against women? That "If I Were A Boy" song, I believe is just total feminist theory. She is NOT a boy and never will be so what would she know about actually being one? Again would this be accepted if it were the other way around? |
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I said it before and I'll say it again she CAN sing, but why does she have to come out with so many men-bashing songs?
Yes men can be b******s to women but not all of them. Would a man be allowed to sing so much stuff like that against women? That "If I Were A Boy" song, I believe is just total feminist theory. She is NOT a boy and never will be so what would she know about actually being one? Again would this be accepted if it were the other way around? |
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She's said in interviews that she knows not all men are like that. And the ones that do are boys, not 'real men'
. Anyway it doesn't matter what the subject is about. She has plenty of non 'men bashing' songs too.
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The thing about Beyonce is that when asked about the writing process of her songs, instead of her to say that she had a hand in the arrangements etc she will go into this long story about how was feeling at the time and her emotions etc giving the impression that she was fully involved in the process from its inception.
One example is when she spoke about how she came up with the idea for Irreplaceable and Listen which she barely contributed to, yet made out like these were songs that she wrote from scratch. I don't think she sings anti male songs. No more than any other female pop star. |
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And by doing that you are entitled to get writing credits. It's not only about the actual lyrics, so she not stealing or lying when she has her name on them.
For instance, I'm pretty sure Whitney Houston arranges a lot of her songs. On the back of her 'my love is your love' CD it says that she did the vocal arrangements for all the songs, but she doesn't have a single writing credit. |
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I wasn't actually aware that people did this - I always thought that writing a song (i.e. the lyrics) and arranging it were 2 separate things.
For instance, I'm pretty sure Whitney Houston arranges a lot of her songs. On the back of her 'my love is your love' CD it says that she did the vocal arrangements for all the songs, but she doesn't have a single writing credit. |
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I wasn't actually aware that people did this - I always thought that writing a song (i.e. the lyrics) and arranging it were 2 separate things.
For instance, I'm pretty sure Whitney Houston arranges a lot of her songs. On the back of her 'my love is your love' CD it says that she did the vocal arrangements for all the songs, but she doesn't have a single writing credit.
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There was a video I tried looking for but can't find it anywhere. It was Ne-Yo saying how when you do vocal arrangements, harmonies etc you get credited as a writer, he goes on to explain that when you do that you get credited for it and basically says Beyoncé wasn't lying.
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Yea, you weren't wrong in the beginning.Vocal arrangement and writing a song is different for most artists and they even seperate the two in their credits.They credit the songwriters seperately.I don't know how it works for Beyonce, though.I'm sure that with such a strong management, she could easily find a way to skip it and get a songwriting credit for vocal arrangements and I assume that maybe other artists get that kind of credit too, so it's not that wrong.The weird thing is that in some of her albums she is listed as the first songwriter (implying that she was the main one) while it has been proved that she only arranged the vocals
![]() I do wish that she would let Ne-Yo write more of her lyrics though - irreplaceble is still one of her best songs and still sounds fresh when I play it today. Songs like diva and run the world won't last that long IMO. |
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She deserves the success she has
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Overrated?
Hell no.... underrated more like. Incredibly talented and this is not acknowledged enough. The music industry hardly gushes praise on her now, do they? |
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Of course.
Janet, Ciara, Jennifer Lopez and Madonna are all technically better dancers than Beyonce and they are either promoting/touring or recording RIGHT now, so they count ![]() When it comes to singers, I will just name Christina Aguilera, Mary J Blidge, Monica, Mariah Carey, Jade Ewen, Fantasia (I absolutely hate her tone, I can't stand her, but objectively she's more capabl without trying to discredit Beyonce) and Jennifer Hudson.But there are some truly breathtaking vocalists out there that remain unsigned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWzKkK7ncbM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asV1sGREA3s |
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Beyonce's not overrated at all , how many female artists could have held down Glastonbury like she did this year ? Having said that I'm not really a fan . Now Fantasia who I've seen live and she really is a whoah !! Now that is a vocallist and performer . Luckily for Beyonce there's not much room for too many mainstream black female artists
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Of course.
Janet, Ciara, Jennifer Lopez and Madonna are all technically better dancers than Beyonce and they are either promoting/touring or recording RIGHT now, so they count ![]() When it comes to singers, I will just name Christina Aguilera, Mary J Blidge, Monica, Mariah Carey, Jade Ewen, Fantasia (I absolutely hate her tone, I can't stand her, but objectively she's more capabl without trying to discredit Beyonce) and Jennifer Hudson.But there are some truly breathtaking vocalists out there that remain unsigned. Beyonce is the most skilled vocal technician of her generation. Shes uses her voice as an instrument. Her technique is absolutely sound. Her pitch and timing are unparalleled in her generation. She is fully resonant through her entire range with perfect projection and placement and perfect vibrato. Try and see christina and Jennifer sing as beautifully as Beyonce it would never happen. They are screamin wailing oversingers who have no respect for the melody of a song and no idea how to construct melismatic phrases that are grounded in the melody and chords of the music. Beyonce has full musicianship over her voice just as Mariah and Whitney had. |
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I like some of her earlier stuff but recently I am finding her voice very unpleasant. She does that growl-in-the-throat thing far too much and oversings everything. Literally the only part of Best Thing I like is the opening lines about karma. The rest is too screechy. Single Ladies is one of my least favourite songs ever, from the tune to the singing to the lyrics. I've disliked all her videos since Irreplaceable.
Countdown is not too bad. |
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. Anyway it doesn't matter what the subject is about. She has plenty of non 'men bashing' songs too.