I'm not going to say goodbye to you either Finland, I'm sure there'll be some posts on here that you won't be able to resist answering to,so I'll just say goodnight and see you soon. Loved your last post
The John James & Josie Appreciation Thread (Part 208)
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Originally Posted by IRISHDREAMER:
“That's so sweet Kay................... but the problem is at your age....................its that that leads to the back problems !!!!!
”
“That's so sweet Kay................... but the problem is at your age....................its that that leads to the back problems !!!!!
”
Yeah, and then I don't need to come up with headaches as an excuse
I am so :yawn:, I am going to say goodnight now and hope I have more energy tomorrow night although I'm off on my travels again early in the morning. Goodnight and sweet dreams to everyone. :yawn::yawn::sleep:
Originally Posted by IRISHDREAMER:
“Head + pillow + sweet innocent dreams time for me
Thanks for the company as always,
Night all xxx”
“Head + pillow + sweet innocent dreams time for me
Thanks for the company as always,
Night all xxx”
Head + sleep might mean dreams yes not sure about the innocent
Night night Eimear talk to you tomorrow
xxx
Originally Posted by sbyres25:
“Evening all. Just caught up.
Heidi.....just want to say thanks for all your amazing videos, and your contribution to this thread. Goodbye and good luck...for now. Take care.”
“Evening all.
Just caught up. Heidi.....just want to say thanks for all your amazing videos, and your contribution to this thread. Goodbye and good luck...for now. Take care.
”
Evening Joyce
Originally Posted by kfb:
“Sometimes it's good to take a back seat and just read the thread and tonight has been so funny:
Dreamer and Lou in their own little world fighting over their man
Some of us feeling old and jealous of those who look younger than their age
A big dramatic post from Heidi with little offshoots from everybody else in response.
I'm sure there's more but that's just from the couple of pages I've read.
What a thread, eh? Still love it.”
“Sometimes it's good to take a back seat and just read the thread and tonight has been so funny:
Dreamer and Lou in their own little world fighting over their man
Some of us feeling old and jealous of those who look younger than their age
A big dramatic post from Heidi with little offshoots from everybody else in response.
I'm sure there's more but that's just from the couple of pages I've read.
What a thread, eh? Still love it.
”
Good
Originally Posted by kfb:
“Yeah, and then I don't need to come up with headaches as an excuse
I am so :yawn:, I am going to say goodnight now and hope I have more energy tomorrow night although I'm off on my travels again early in the morning. Goodnight and sweet dreams to everyone. :yawn::yawn::sleep:”
“Yeah, and then I don't need to come up with headaches as an excuse
I am so :yawn:, I am going to say goodnight now and hope I have more energy tomorrow night although I'm off on my travels again early in the morning. Goodnight and sweet dreams to everyone. :yawn::yawn::sleep:”
Night Kay
Originally Posted by IRISHDREAMER:
“Head + pillow + sweet innocent dreams time for me
Thanks for the company as always,
Night all xxx”
“Head + pillow + sweet innocent dreams time for me
Thanks for the company as always,
Night all xxx”
Night Irish
Originally Posted by IRISHDREAMER:
“Head + pillow + sweet innocent dreams time for me
Thanks for the company as always,
Night all xxx”
“Head + pillow + sweet innocent dreams time for me
Thanks for the company as always,
Night all xxx”
Night - go have a dream about who you imagine qwerty is - it can be anyone you like!
Originally Posted by PICKLES60:
“There is so much rot being written on another thread I cannot believe that people actually believe that they know about John and josies sex life for real . No I am not trading this thread for that shite xx”
“There is so much rot being written on another thread I cannot believe that people actually believe that they know about John and josies sex life for real . No I am not trading this thread for that shite xx”
Oh them blimmin BB camera's they got everywhere, evidently permanently attached to John and Josie's foreheads right up until they split
Originally Posted by Wendilums:
“Oh them blimmin BB camera's they got everywhere, evidently permanently attached to John and Josie's foreheads right up until they split”
“Oh them blimmin BB camera's they got everywhere, evidently permanently attached to John and Josie's foreheads right up until they split
”
Oh wend it is priceless didn't you realise they were in separate bedrooms and John moved out of the flat two weeks before he left they were sexually incompatible from the start. shoot me
Wendy I have some fantastic news for you
And everyone else on here
Vixxen is GETTING MARRIED!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkkYIK_sS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYiHcP6oxU
And everyone else on here
Vixxen is GETTING MARRIED!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkkYIK_sS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYiHcP6oxU
I started to write another poem today. It was about the JJJAT. It was beginning to go well and I thought I would have a bit of a rest and read through today's thread before I watched the Pride of Britain awards.
I got half way through the day's thread and if the poem had been on paper I would have probably screwed it up and put it in the bin never to be resurrected.
It seemed to me that every other poster was either trying to say that John never loved Josie or that Josie never loved John. I know I was tired and emotional myself yesterday after a very sleepless night the night before and there were stages where, if I could, I might have deleted my Positive Polly poem jumped off Lovers bench and run out of the garden altogether but there was no point that I would ever have said or even thought that they did not love each other.
Anyway, I contemplated deleting the current poem but I carried on reading through the thread and I got to Heidi's post.
Now I know that Heidi and Muggins were quite upset about one verse of my PP poem but I have already stated that it really wasn't my intention to upset anybody. When I was writing it I wasn't thinking of anybody in particular and many apologies to both ladies if they thought I was.
Anyway, going back to Heidi's post I would like to say that I thought it was beautiful. It completely restored my faith in the glory of this thread so I will continue my poem and this time try not to offend anybody.
I cried at Heidi's post, I cried at the Pride of Britain awards, I frequently cry about JJJ being so far apart. I'm turning into a real cry-baby. I'll try to finish the poem tomorrow.
I got half way through the day's thread and if the poem had been on paper I would have probably screwed it up and put it in the bin never to be resurrected.
It seemed to me that every other poster was either trying to say that John never loved Josie or that Josie never loved John. I know I was tired and emotional myself yesterday after a very sleepless night the night before and there were stages where, if I could, I might have deleted my Positive Polly poem jumped off Lovers bench and run out of the garden altogether but there was no point that I would ever have said or even thought that they did not love each other.
Anyway, I contemplated deleting the current poem but I carried on reading through the thread and I got to Heidi's post.
Now I know that Heidi and Muggins were quite upset about one verse of my PP poem but I have already stated that it really wasn't my intention to upset anybody. When I was writing it I wasn't thinking of anybody in particular and many apologies to both ladies if they thought I was.
Anyway, going back to Heidi's post I would like to say that I thought it was beautiful. It completely restored my faith in the glory of this thread so I will continue my poem and this time try not to offend anybody.
I cried at Heidi's post, I cried at the Pride of Britain awards, I frequently cry about JJJ being so far apart. I'm turning into a real cry-baby. I'll try to finish the poem tomorrow.
Originally Posted by PICKLES60:
“Oh wend it is priceless didn't you realise they were in separate bedrooms and John moved out of the flat two weeks before he left they were sexually incompatible from the start. shoot me”
“Oh wend it is priceless didn't you realise they were in separate bedrooms and John moved out of the flat two weeks before he left they were sexually incompatible from the start. shoot me”
What
so where did they get that from 
Did they not see all of Johns luggage in TSAJ. I think if that did happen, the biggest mouth in Bristol and the most forthright argumentative British/Australian would have let that slip in one of their tw*tter rants by now or even publicly elsewhere 
Originally Posted by JJJ_finland:
“So, I think it’s time for me to take a step back from this thread. I’m not saying this so that some of you would say ”get your ass back here”. It’s just time…. I’m not swearing off this place for good. If anything BIG or MAJOR happens to eithe I might pop in to say a comment or whatever. So it’s not a permanent goodbye, but it’s a goodbye in some sort. I’m just tired of banging my head against the wall in here. Not regarding JJJ, but the thread’s powerful view on as to where JJJ stand at the moment.
I say it like I see it regarding John and regarding Josie, like it or not. You all know, I would never be afraid to say my views out loud My support is for them both. I was always a true joint supporter of them both and I will continue being a true supporter of them both, no matter what anyone thinks. My support could never die for the other, just because they do or say something that I don’t agree on. A true supporter does not forsake the other, that is how I see it.
This thread has obviously changed a lot since summer 2010, and of course. It’s only natural. Summer 2010 was analysing, excitment of will something ever happen, do they feel something more for each other than just friendship? And the thread cheered when it was clear that it was something more than just friendship. Then came autumn 2010 and we jumped into ”living with” Josie and John James, we were excited that they were beginning their relationship together. We discussed the OK mag deals, we went ooh we went aah when they tweeted something cute. We saw some members leave right after BB ended, we saw some gradually just stop posting when weeks went by. But autumn 2010 was just JJJ. Everything they did, they did together and this thread loved it. Then came year 2011 and we started to wait their documentary we knew they were filming, I found myself slowly drifting away from the thread. To me they were just living their lives and there wasn’t much to discuss. I wished them well. We saw more members stop posting on the thread again. But then again, some new posters joined in….
Then of course came the end of March and we heard that John James was about to go back to Australia due to personal reasons. Everyone was confused as to why? Nobody seemed to panic real bad until John posted that weird tweet thanking everyone who had supported him and Josie after BB. At the time anyways, it felt weird.....Yet Josie was talking about lionbars and how much she loves John and everyone was confused. And then we had the OK interview we didn’t ever want to read. And then I found myself back on this thread again posting like mad. As sad as it was, all of a sudden I had something to talk about again. It wasn’t just casual chit chat, it was something real and forgive me for saying this….. interesting. I love to analyse, I love to talk. I talked, analyzed, debated and argued. I did it so much, I had to stop for a while and think am I really allowed to assume this and this of Josie and John and their personal life? Who am I to say Josie should change this and John James should change this about themselves? What right to I have to demand that? I don’t know them. As much as I watched them on BB and through LF, I still don’t know HOW they lived their personal life after BB. I don’t know the troubles they had, I don’t know how they behaved during arguments. I could only assume because of how they had been on BB...
The biggest thing for me that gets me sad when thinking of their breakup is the way they handled it in the aftermath. And yes, they both did handle it bad. There can’t be any excuse for either. No excuses that Josie just acted out of hurt and John just retaliated to it. I read so much that John only did this and that because Josie started it. And then Josie did this and that cause John said this and that back. So that makes it all right then? Just because someone does something or says something first means you have to retaliate to it? Or just because someone retaliates means you then have a reason to go on and on. No way. The bigger person acts with dignity and grace, but when you go through a messy break up that many times flies through the window. You don’t act with reason, dignity and grace. And neither of them did in this breakup. They both acted like spoilt children at some points. Trying to put blame on the other and making themselves look better. They both did it. I know they have the ability to say hurtful things to each other and I accept that they said mean things to each other. That’s just life and she here who has never said a bad thing about their ex… well… she may cast the first stone.
But was it really necessary to go and hurt each other in public? In front of our eyes? No, there was not. Just because they shared some aspects of their relationship in the media, does not mean they had to say the things they did to each other infront of our eyes also. That’s what makes me sad. That they BOTH deliberately had to hurt each other in public. There is also no need to count who said what how many times. The other can say 50 things and the other can say only one thing that will have the same effect than the others 50 digs. If I would be selfish, I would say did they really have to ruin my fond memories with their insults to one another? Now all I’m left with is the rude words and not the nice words I heard them say in BB. I didn’t want them to end it like this. I’m selfish, I wanted to keep my happy memories…
So yes, that’s what made me sad and still does in some ways when thinking back. That the relationship I saw grow and blossom and start on BB, the love I saw them share, the fun times, the happy times…. that has somehow been ruined now. They did that with their actions and words after the breakup. The way they loved each other on BB was something I’ve never seen happened on a realityshow. And for them to disgrace that is just sad. And it made me sad, cause I know they had a bond many wish they would find and to let that slip away made no sense to me.
Cheeky, I think, wrote here recently how JJJ_finland, yes that’s me, said on thread 158 or whatever that Josie and John James are soulmates. Yes, that is what I thought and you know what, that is what I STILL think. But before anyone get’s any wrong ideas, I have always believed that a person can have more than just one soulmate in life. A soulmate to me is not a unique thing in the sense that I would believe that there is only ONE soulmate out there for us all. What would be the odds that every person on this planet would find theirs? A soulmate is a person who thinks alike, is similar in many ways… blaa blaa blaa… and despite all their differences Josie and John were alike as well, in SOOOOO many ways. I’m not gonna talk about fate anymore. How it was fate that brought them together… maybe it was just luck. But they were soulmates and still are. Apparently they just can’t make it work anymore even as friends.
After the break up I have had many thoughts and doubts about what I saw in BB. And yes, I have thought about the possibility that what if it was just affection and comfort and not at all REAL LOVE. I’ve thought if it was just physical attraction from Josie’s part, but not real emotional love that she felt for John? Or if it was just fondness and friendship kinda love from John’s part and not real attraction that she felt for Josie? I watched the whole talk John had with Keeva on Uber Cougar Night where he seemed to be so adamant that he did not look at Josie in that way and how he would admit if he did. And I thought okey then, but then I remembered how John also said that he would NEVER admit fancying someone unless he was sure that they fancied him. And that is what Keeva told him, that Josie had admitted it infront of all the girls that he did not fancy John. And I listened to John say how Josie had told him that he is not the type of guy that she goes for on the outside world. So then I thought, oh yeah right, it does make sense then why he would be so adamant about not looking at her like that…..So, needles to say I got no real proof to my doubts from that conversation.
Then I listened to the whole talk John and Josie had after he had escaped from the fire exit. I listened to it thinking that maybe I got it all wrong and maybe what he actually was telling her there was that he liked her as a friend, nothing more. But no… what I heard was a very confused man expressing his feelings but yet being totally confused even himself of what his words meant and that he was expressing a love for her that went way beyon friendship even if he didn’t understand it himself at that point. So, I got nowhere from there either…
I just read elsewhere someone say how John tried hard and hard to inform everyone in and OUT of the house, that their relationship was based on just friendship? I’m baffled. I can’t see how anyone could see it like that…
So outside the house he said
”She’s not out of my league. I fancied her from the start”
”I just love everything about her”
”We’re deeper than people think”
”I wanna spend the rest of my life with her”
”I’ve thought about how I’m gonna propose to her”
”We fight a lot, but it adds to the passion and I love her to bits”
I don’t know how anyone can see those words as trying hard to inform everyone that their relationship is only about friendship? So, was John lying when he said all of those things on the magazines? Did he just say all those things to make Josie happy? Was he just saying if for the sake of the JJJ brand and for fans that so desperately wanted them to be real? Or was he delusional himself and only thought that he felt that way, but really didn’t? In reality he just saw her as a sister?
I don’t know what these people are trying to say who claim this? But what I’m trying to say is that despite my own confusion as to what was said and what was not said in and out of the house, I will go with these comments from John:
”we were always good friends first, then things changed, hence the term ‘falling in love’ ”
”as long as Josie LOVES the biggest prat ever I don’t need to worry”
”I’ve moved across the world to be with her. Obviously I love Josie, she’s everything to me”
And all the things he said on the mags also
And as for Josie saying she wasn’t IN LOVE with John. I don’t care. I will go with her words…
”John has brought back my faith in men”
”I’ve never felt this way about anyone”
”I couldn’t live without him”
”He treats me better than anyone ever has ever treated me”
”Yes, my boyfriend is the most angry fourth right Australian that walked the planet but I love him and I wouldn’t have him any other way”
“Not a day goes by that he doesn’t make me laugh”
However they broke up, however they feel now when looking back on the time they spent together, maybe thinking now that they really weren’t IN LOVE, I don’t care. I will continue to believe that they loved each other deeply, in a way that a couple love each other. Even if all those quotes above were said in a honeymoon period of their relationship. They were soulmates and shared something amazing eventhough it wasn’t’ meant to last. That’s just life… it happens…
I remember the way they laughed in the house to silly things and commenting on how they find the same things funny and more funnier than the others do. How they can laugh 5 weeks later like mads of the time they nearly murdered Ben. I remember how they said that they can just talk and talk and talk, they will start off with one thing and end up talking about everything for hours. I remember how John commented on the house ”I care more about you than what I care about some of my friends back home”. That’s what I’ll remember. And it is a bit sad to think that that kind of friendship that they had is no more, because of their nasty break up and the hurt. They probably never can go back to being friends. And yet, I’m not sad that they gave the relationship a try. Better to try than spend your life wondering what if….
I was here on JJJAT almost from the start
I shared with this thread Crabeys gate, Uber Cougar Night, Keevafrustration, Fire Exit gate, Sam Pepper, Massage gate, John’s eviction, Josie’s win, Josie’s UBB tears, Josie’s escape into the arms of John James.
I shared my videos, and I don't regret making single one of them. I shared my exitment when Josie and John tweeted my ”He’s a bit all that / She’s all that” videos. I was jumping for joy. I arranged ”The first annual Golden JJJ awards”, I counted nearly 100 members votes. I made the video, It was hard work but I loved doing it.
I shared the break up, the aftermath…………..I shared the changing of the thread; leaving members, new members. I was here for it all. I analysed, I debated, I discussed and then I analyzed some more. I was at times confused, angry, sad you name it. I kept coming back, cause I do love this thread and it has given me so much. Eventhough I slowly realised that the thread was more and more divided into many views, some of which I don’t agree on. But it did not matter, differing views are what’s it’s all about.
But all things come to an end. I don’t want to sound like a martyr, but I do not feel that I have a place here anymore. My views and opinions are not as needed here anymore as they used to. I notice it more and more each day. I can’t just chit chat. When I have something to say, I have something to say. And what I have to say these days, I feel is not what 90% of this thread wants to hear. Either my posts will go totally unnoticed or I get the ”I’m allowed to have a differing opinion, that’s only your view” thrown in my face. It’s not what I need or want. I can’t write to every post “this is only my opinion, my view" just so that some don't get offended or angry.
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where some members label your posts as negative if you try to say that the ring Josie is wearing probably is not a sign of her undying love for John.
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where some members accuse Josie of telling lies regarding Luke
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where I feel sometimes that some members would rather want Josie or John to be upset and be missing each other than want them to be happy.
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where your posts are labeled negative just because you believe that Josie has a new boyfriend and is happy.
I don’t mean to offend anyone but that is the vibe I get sometimes, I'm sorry. I have never given out rules as to how each member should feel about the JJJ situation. I have no problem that many want them back together. But if my posts are seen negative purely because I believe the current situation to be true and not suspicious or false, then I see no point trying to contribute to this thread on a regular basis.
As for JOHN
A lot of speculation has been done about if he will ever return to UK and if so then to do what? I feel that some of his fans have this belief that he will wait a while and reinvent himself and then launch a career in UK. A career that will involve being in the public eye in some sort. I’ve often wondered what that would be? A DJ? A model? A presenter in a fitness programme? A celebrity fitness instructor? Seems to me that he tried DJ’ing and modelling, but didn’t really get into it fully, cause he was willing to leave it behind. He didn’t leave UK just because Josie said she would never talk to him again if he moved in with JJ. I mean Josie is in no position to give him orders. And I do think that if John truly wanted to stay in UK he would have, but under the circumstances and the stress he must have been feeling he felt that the best option was to go back to OZ to his mum and friends who have know him long before this whole hoopla started. And I think that was the right choice at the time. He needed to be with people he could trust. There he can be away from all the stress and he may have a new appreciation to his homecountry now.
Or maybe he does have an idea to still move to UK one day. Maybe that is still something he would like to do, but as for now I think there might be too much pressure on him. People are still keeping an eye on him and almost expecting that if he would come back to UK now, then he would have to do something to please his fans.
Whatever he decides to do, wherever he decides to live, may he have a happy life
As for JOSIE
She seems to be doing just fine and working more than ever. She is getting more opportunities all the time. She has a blossoming career that may take her to even bigger things or then may not. But for whatever time it will last, I’m glad she is enjoying it and taking it all in stride. May she never let negative people bring her down and be made feel unworthy of doing the things she is doing and taking aboard all the opportunities that she is given. She has the ability to improve herself and to be something if she wants to, cause everyone she seems to be meeting and doing work with praise her for her easy nature. And that is one of the key elements to make it in the business. To be nice and fun to work with. Nobody wants to work with difficult people and Josie certainly is not difficult in workwise as I see from the tweets of people who she works with.
Whateve she decides to do, wherever she decides to go with her career, may she have a happy life.
As for JOHN JAMES and JOSIE
I will remember your relationship that I saw blossom with smiles and laughter, cause if I can only remember it with tears and sadness, I will not want to remember it at all.
How cheesy, I know
As for me
This is what I have to do now. I’m not choosing a side. You will not see me in JJAT or JAT from now on. No way. And don’t count me out forever. I mean you never know when I might show up again, just when you think you’ve gotten rid of me. There maybe a new magazine article from some that I will need to say my opinion on… You just never know. At the moment I just can’t keep banging my head against the wall in here, and I can’t be bothered if too many feel that the tone of my posts is negative. I will not have that… I just will not
But please don’t think that I’m leaving because of any particular member. I’m not. I have been thinking about this move for weeks now and it has nothing to do with anything else than the fact that I just don’t feel I have a place here at the moment….
I've loved every moment on this thread, eventhough it's been hard sometimes. And I will continue to love this thread and it's past, current and future members. Love you all lots
I'll leave my videos as a legacy... How dramatic...
Hope they brought smiles for you all. Cause this thread has brought me smiles and laughter no matter how much I now feel that I can't stay as a regular
JJJAT FOREVER
So, in the words of the Von Trapp Children… SO LONG, FAREWELL
PS. You really didn't think I'd be able to say Goodbye with a short post?
PS2. JEDWARD forever
PS3. JOSIE said it first.... suckers”
“So, I think it’s time for me to take a step back from this thread. I’m not saying this so that some of you would say ”get your ass back here”. It’s just time…. I’m not swearing off this place for good. If anything BIG or MAJOR happens to eithe I might pop in to say a comment or whatever. So it’s not a permanent goodbye, but it’s a goodbye in some sort. I’m just tired of banging my head against the wall in here. Not regarding JJJ, but the thread’s powerful view on as to where JJJ stand at the moment.
I say it like I see it regarding John and regarding Josie, like it or not. You all know, I would never be afraid to say my views out loud
My support is for them both. I was always a true joint supporter of them both and I will continue being a true supporter of them both, no matter what anyone thinks. My support could never die for the other, just because they do or say something that I don’t agree on. A true supporter does not forsake the other, that is how I see it. This thread has obviously changed a lot since summer 2010, and of course. It’s only natural. Summer 2010 was analysing, excitment of will something ever happen, do they feel something more for each other than just friendship? And the thread cheered when it was clear that it was something more than just friendship. Then came autumn 2010 and we jumped into ”living with” Josie and John James, we were excited that they were beginning their relationship together. We discussed the OK mag deals, we went ooh we went aah when they tweeted something cute. We saw some members leave right after BB ended, we saw some gradually just stop posting when weeks went by. But autumn 2010 was just JJJ. Everything they did, they did together and this thread loved it. Then came year 2011 and we started to wait their documentary we knew they were filming, I found myself slowly drifting away from the thread. To me they were just living their lives and there wasn’t much to discuss. I wished them well. We saw more members stop posting on the thread again. But then again, some new posters joined in….
Then of course came the end of March and we heard that John James was about to go back to Australia due to personal reasons. Everyone was confused as to why? Nobody seemed to panic real bad until John posted that weird tweet thanking everyone who had supported him and Josie after BB. At the time anyways, it felt weird.....Yet Josie was talking about lionbars and how much she loves John and everyone was confused. And then we had the OK interview we didn’t ever want to read. And then I found myself back on this thread again posting like mad. As sad as it was, all of a sudden I had something to talk about again. It wasn’t just casual chit chat, it was something real and forgive me for saying this….. interesting. I love to analyse, I love to talk. I talked, analyzed, debated and argued. I did it so much, I had to stop for a while and think am I really allowed to assume this and this of Josie and John and their personal life? Who am I to say Josie should change this and John James should change this about themselves? What right to I have to demand that? I don’t know them. As much as I watched them on BB and through LF, I still don’t know HOW they lived their personal life after BB. I don’t know the troubles they had, I don’t know how they behaved during arguments. I could only assume because of how they had been on BB...
The biggest thing for me that gets me sad when thinking of their breakup is the way they handled it in the aftermath. And yes, they both did handle it bad. There can’t be any excuse for either. No excuses that Josie just acted out of hurt and John just retaliated to it. I read so much that John only did this and that because Josie started it. And then Josie did this and that cause John said this and that back. So that makes it all right then? Just because someone does something or says something first means you have to retaliate to it? Or just because someone retaliates means you then have a reason to go on and on. No way. The bigger person acts with dignity and grace, but when you go through a messy break up that many times flies through the window. You don’t act with reason, dignity and grace. And neither of them did in this breakup. They both acted like spoilt children at some points. Trying to put blame on the other and making themselves look better. They both did it. I know they have the ability to say hurtful things to each other and I accept that they said mean things to each other. That’s just life and she here who has never said a bad thing about their ex… well… she may cast the first stone.
But was it really necessary to go and hurt each other in public? In front of our eyes? No, there was not. Just because they shared some aspects of their relationship in the media, does not mean they had to say the things they did to each other infront of our eyes also. That’s what makes me sad. That they BOTH deliberately had to hurt each other in public. There is also no need to count who said what how many times. The other can say 50 things and the other can say only one thing that will have the same effect than the others 50 digs. If I would be selfish, I would say did they really have to ruin my fond memories with their insults to one another? Now all I’m left with is the rude words and not the nice words I heard them say in BB. I didn’t want them to end it like this. I’m selfish, I wanted to keep my happy memories…
So yes, that’s what made me sad and still does in some ways when thinking back. That the relationship I saw grow and blossom and start on BB, the love I saw them share, the fun times, the happy times…. that has somehow been ruined now. They did that with their actions and words after the breakup. The way they loved each other on BB was something I’ve never seen happened on a realityshow. And for them to disgrace that is just sad. And it made me sad, cause I know they had a bond many wish they would find and to let that slip away made no sense to me.
Cheeky, I think, wrote here recently how JJJ_finland, yes that’s me, said on thread 158 or whatever that Josie and John James are soulmates. Yes, that is what I thought and you know what, that is what I STILL think. But before anyone get’s any wrong ideas, I have always believed that a person can have more than just one soulmate in life. A soulmate to me is not a unique thing in the sense that I would believe that there is only ONE soulmate out there for us all. What would be the odds that every person on this planet would find theirs? A soulmate is a person who thinks alike, is similar in many ways… blaa blaa blaa… and despite all their differences Josie and John were alike as well, in SOOOOO many ways. I’m not gonna talk about fate anymore. How it was fate that brought them together… maybe it was just luck. But they were soulmates and still are. Apparently they just can’t make it work anymore even as friends.
After the break up I have had many thoughts and doubts about what I saw in BB. And yes, I have thought about the possibility that what if it was just affection and comfort and not at all REAL LOVE. I’ve thought if it was just physical attraction from Josie’s part, but not real emotional love that she felt for John? Or if it was just fondness and friendship kinda love from John’s part and not real attraction that she felt for Josie? I watched the whole talk John had with Keeva on Uber Cougar Night where he seemed to be so adamant that he did not look at Josie in that way and how he would admit if he did. And I thought okey then, but then I remembered how John also said that he would NEVER admit fancying someone unless he was sure that they fancied him. And that is what Keeva told him, that Josie had admitted it infront of all the girls that he did not fancy John. And I listened to John say how Josie had told him that he is not the type of guy that she goes for on the outside world. So then I thought, oh yeah right, it does make sense then why he would be so adamant about not looking at her like that…..So, needles to say I got no real proof to my doubts from that conversation.
Then I listened to the whole talk John and Josie had after he had escaped from the fire exit. I listened to it thinking that maybe I got it all wrong and maybe what he actually was telling her there was that he liked her as a friend, nothing more. But no… what I heard was a very confused man expressing his feelings but yet being totally confused even himself of what his words meant and that he was expressing a love for her that went way beyon friendship even if he didn’t understand it himself at that point. So, I got nowhere from there either…
I just read elsewhere someone say how John tried hard and hard to inform everyone in and OUT of the house, that their relationship was based on just friendship? I’m baffled. I can’t see how anyone could see it like that…
So outside the house he said
”She’s not out of my league. I fancied her from the start”
”I just love everything about her”
”We’re deeper than people think”
”I wanna spend the rest of my life with her”
”I’ve thought about how I’m gonna propose to her”
”We fight a lot, but it adds to the passion and I love her to bits”
I don’t know how anyone can see those words as trying hard to inform everyone that their relationship is only about friendship? So, was John lying when he said all of those things on the magazines? Did he just say all those things to make Josie happy? Was he just saying if for the sake of the JJJ brand and for fans that so desperately wanted them to be real? Or was he delusional himself and only thought that he felt that way, but really didn’t? In reality he just saw her as a sister?
I don’t know what these people are trying to say who claim this? But what I’m trying to say is that despite my own confusion as to what was said and what was not said in and out of the house, I will go with these comments from John:
”we were always good friends first, then things changed, hence the term ‘falling in love’ ”
”as long as Josie LOVES the biggest prat ever I don’t need to worry”
”I’ve moved across the world to be with her. Obviously I love Josie, she’s everything to me”
And all the things he said on the mags also
And as for Josie saying she wasn’t IN LOVE with John. I don’t care. I will go with her words…
”John has brought back my faith in men”
”I’ve never felt this way about anyone”
”I couldn’t live without him”
”He treats me better than anyone ever has ever treated me”
”Yes, my boyfriend is the most angry fourth right Australian that walked the planet but I love him and I wouldn’t have him any other way”
“Not a day goes by that he doesn’t make me laugh”
However they broke up, however they feel now when looking back on the time they spent together, maybe thinking now that they really weren’t IN LOVE, I don’t care. I will continue to believe that they loved each other deeply, in a way that a couple love each other. Even if all those quotes above were said in a honeymoon period of their relationship. They were soulmates and shared something amazing eventhough it wasn’t’ meant to last. That’s just life… it happens…
I remember the way they laughed in the house to silly things and commenting on how they find the same things funny and more funnier than the others do. How they can laugh 5 weeks later like mads of the time they nearly murdered Ben. I remember how they said that they can just talk and talk and talk, they will start off with one thing and end up talking about everything for hours. I remember how John commented on the house ”I care more about you than what I care about some of my friends back home”. That’s what I’ll remember. And it is a bit sad to think that that kind of friendship that they had is no more, because of their nasty break up and the hurt. They probably never can go back to being friends. And yet, I’m not sad that they gave the relationship a try. Better to try than spend your life wondering what if….
I was here on JJJAT almost from the start
I shared with this thread Crabeys gate, Uber Cougar Night, Keevafrustration, Fire Exit gate, Sam Pepper, Massage gate, John’s eviction, Josie’s win, Josie’s UBB tears, Josie’s escape into the arms of John James.
I shared my videos, and I don't regret making single one of them. I shared my exitment when Josie and John tweeted my ”He’s a bit all that / She’s all that” videos. I was jumping for joy. I arranged ”The first annual Golden JJJ awards”, I counted nearly 100 members votes. I made the video, It was hard work but I loved doing it.
I shared the break up, the aftermath…………..I shared the changing of the thread; leaving members, new members. I was here for it all. I analysed, I debated, I discussed and then I analyzed some more. I was at times confused, angry, sad you name it. I kept coming back, cause I do love this thread and it has given me so much. Eventhough I slowly realised that the thread was more and more divided into many views, some of which I don’t agree on. But it did not matter, differing views are what’s it’s all about.
But all things come to an end. I don’t want to sound like a martyr, but I do not feel that I have a place here anymore. My views and opinions are not as needed here anymore as they used to. I notice it more and more each day. I can’t just chit chat. When I have something to say, I have something to say. And what I have to say these days, I feel is not what 90% of this thread wants to hear. Either my posts will go totally unnoticed or I get the ”I’m allowed to have a differing opinion, that’s only your view” thrown in my face. It’s not what I need or want. I can’t write to every post “this is only my opinion, my view" just so that some don't get offended or angry.
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where some members label your posts as negative if you try to say that the ring Josie is wearing probably is not a sign of her undying love for John.
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where some members accuse Josie of telling lies regarding Luke
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where I feel sometimes that some members would rather want Josie or John to be upset and be missing each other than want them to be happy.
I don’t feel at ease on a thread where your posts are labeled negative just because you believe that Josie has a new boyfriend and is happy.
I don’t mean to offend anyone but that is the vibe I get sometimes, I'm sorry. I have never given out rules as to how each member should feel about the JJJ situation. I have no problem that many want them back together. But if my posts are seen negative purely because I believe the current situation to be true and not suspicious or false, then I see no point trying to contribute to this thread on a regular basis.
As for JOHN
A lot of speculation has been done about if he will ever return to UK and if so then to do what? I feel that some of his fans have this belief that he will wait a while and reinvent himself and then launch a career in UK. A career that will involve being in the public eye in some sort. I’ve often wondered what that would be? A DJ? A model? A presenter in a fitness programme? A celebrity fitness instructor? Seems to me that he tried DJ’ing and modelling, but didn’t really get into it fully, cause he was willing to leave it behind. He didn’t leave UK just because Josie said she would never talk to him again if he moved in with JJ. I mean Josie is in no position to give him orders. And I do think that if John truly wanted to stay in UK he would have, but under the circumstances and the stress he must have been feeling he felt that the best option was to go back to OZ to his mum and friends who have know him long before this whole hoopla started. And I think that was the right choice at the time. He needed to be with people he could trust. There he can be away from all the stress and he may have a new appreciation to his homecountry now.
Or maybe he does have an idea to still move to UK one day. Maybe that is still something he would like to do, but as for now I think there might be too much pressure on him. People are still keeping an eye on him and almost expecting that if he would come back to UK now, then he would have to do something to please his fans.
Whatever he decides to do, wherever he decides to live, may he have a happy life
As for JOSIE
She seems to be doing just fine and working more than ever. She is getting more opportunities all the time. She has a blossoming career that may take her to even bigger things or then may not. But for whatever time it will last, I’m glad she is enjoying it and taking it all in stride. May she never let negative people bring her down and be made feel unworthy of doing the things she is doing and taking aboard all the opportunities that she is given. She has the ability to improve herself and to be something if she wants to, cause everyone she seems to be meeting and doing work with praise her for her easy nature. And that is one of the key elements to make it in the business. To be nice and fun to work with. Nobody wants to work with difficult people and Josie certainly is not difficult in workwise as I see from the tweets of people who she works with.
Whateve she decides to do, wherever she decides to go with her career, may she have a happy life.
As for JOHN JAMES and JOSIE
I will remember your relationship that I saw blossom with smiles and laughter, cause if I can only remember it with tears and sadness, I will not want to remember it at all.
How cheesy, I know
As for me
This is what I have to do now. I’m not choosing a side. You will not see me in JJAT or JAT from now on. No way. And don’t count me out forever. I mean you never know when I might show up again, just when you think you’ve gotten rid of me. There maybe a new magazine article from some that I will need to say my opinion on… You just never know. At the moment I just can’t keep banging my head against the wall in here, and I can’t be bothered if too many feel that the tone of my posts is negative. I will not have that… I just will not
But please don’t think that I’m leaving because of any particular member. I’m not. I have been thinking about this move for weeks now and it has nothing to do with anything else than the fact that I just don’t feel I have a place here at the moment….
I've loved every moment on this thread, eventhough it's been hard sometimes. And I will continue to love this thread and it's past, current and future members. Love you all lots
I'll leave my videos as a legacy... How dramatic...
Hope they brought smiles for you all. Cause this thread has brought me smiles and laughter no matter how much I now feel that I can't stay as a regular
JJJAT FOREVER
So, in the words of the Von Trapp Children… SO LONG, FAREWELL
PS. You really didn't think I'd be able to say Goodbye with a short post?
PS2. JEDWARD forever
PS3. JOSIE said it first.... suckers
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heidi, i am literally
!!! i will miss you, your eloquent words, always of wisdom & always, always from your heart.sometimes you've made me grrrr, but mostly you've made me smile & laugh out load.
you're forthwright....always!!!! which is the main thing that i will miss from you, so, see ya later, hope you'll tweet me sometimes xxx sowy, had to delete a bit as your post too long!! typical!! lol xx
Originally Posted by PICKLES60:
“Oh wend it is priceless didn't you realise they were in separate bedrooms and John moved out of the flat two weeks before he left they were sexually incompatible from the start. shoot me”
“Oh wend it is priceless didn't you realise they were in separate bedrooms and John moved out of the flat two weeks before he left they were sexually incompatible from the start. shoot me”
The first interview with Emma clearly showed signs that the sex was bad and they were incompatible.
Originally Posted by JJJ lover:
“Wendy I have some fantastic news for you
And everyone else on here
Vixxen is GETTING MARRIED!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkkYIK_sS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYiHcP6oxU”
“Wendy I have some fantastic news for you
And everyone else on here
Vixxen is GETTING MARRIED!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkkYIK_sS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xYiHcP6oxU”
VIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX congratulations my lovely. He's a very very very lucky man to have you. You have my support 100%
CONGRATULATIONS VIXXXXXX
Originally Posted by gussiecat:
“The first interview with Emma clearly showed signs that the sex was bad and they were incompatible.”
“The first interview with Emma clearly showed signs that the sex was bad and they were incompatible.
”
And they call us delusional ?I know we have our little fantasies about reuniting but now we are seriously entering jackanory territory.
Originally Posted by Wendilums:
“VIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX congratulations my lovely. He's a very very very lucky man to have you. You have my support 100%
CONGRATULATIONS VIXXXXXX ”
“VIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX congratulations my lovely. He's a very very very lucky man to have you. You have my support 100%
CONGRATULATIONS VIXXXXXX ”
Thank you Wendy!
Thank you Pickles! (and about the other thing you were on about............................its called WISHFUL THINKING
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