To me it was pretty evident that has has became this big, for manufacturers like HTC, Sony and Samsung it was that or Symbian.

I think this year will be the best year for Android with % of market dropping next year due to Nokia and Windows Phone. Only time will tell

End of April: Phones4U

Start of May: Everyone other than T-Mobile

June: T-Mobile

http://www.t3.com/news/samsung-galax...pushed-forward

Still, OK, five months rather than "a few months".


Ah. So I guess the Galaxy S was already "outdated" at launch then as well as the iPhone 4...


How so? Stiggles said a similar thing recently, due to it using in his opinion "a much nicer OS".

Similar specs, same price. What makes one better than the other? The iPad has more apps optimised for tablet use, the Tab 10.1 has an open and more customisable OS. Surely it just comes down to which device has the most apps you want, which device has the user experience that you want. Some prefer one, some prefer the other, but I don't see how you can simply state that one is "better" without qualifying it.

lol this brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxn6A...layer_embedded

Awesome. I never get tired of Downfall videos

Yes, and so was the Nexus S


Galaxy Tab 10.1 is thinner, has twice the RAM of the iPad 2, a higher resolution screen, and both cameras are of higher resolution. The GT also has HSPA+ and the iPad 2 doesn't....

The GT is statistically a better device, and compared to an iPad 2 it does seem faster and more fluid. The OS is a different story, but as far as hardware goes, the GT trounces the iPad 2.

It's obvious that Apple don't feel the need to try anymore, their market has changed so much!!

We, sensible people that have actually thought about this release, realise that it's not as good as it was,

However, this new generation of teenagers that get all this stuff bought for them seem to be their market,

One of my facebook friends' stauses was "oooooooh I really want the new iPhone"

SO, they'll still get loads of sales without even trying

Twice the RAM, but has an inferior GPU.

I'd rather have the superior GPU of the iPad 2, than have the increased RAM of the Tab 10.1 / Xoom etc. The iPad 2 doesn't seem to suffer from only having 512MB RAM, but it does benefit from having a better GPU.

Resolution... True, but only because of the slightly larger screen due to the AR being 16:9 instead of 4:3. It's not particularly significant IMO. I would prefer 16:9 to 4:3, as I watch a lot of videos, but then again 4:3 is better for other things. The sort of resolution increase I'd really like though would be the rumoured/expected "Retina" display for the iPad 3, with it expected to be doubled from 1024x768 to 2048x1536. That's next year though...

Cameras... True, but I personally don't see the point in cameras on a tablet. Don't use mine, and still wouldn't use them even if they were as good as those on the Tab 10.1.

Dimensions... Tab 10.1: 256.7 mm (10.11 in) H, 175.3 mm (6.90 in) W, 8.6 mm (0.34 in) D. iPad 2 9.50 in (241 mm) (height), 7.31 in (186 mm) (width), 0.346 in (8.8 mm) (depth). [From here and here]. The height and width are due to the screen's AR being different, while the depth is only 0.6mm less on the Tab 10.1.

Overall, I still don't see how that makes it a "trouncing" (even if someone did actually feel a need for cameras). Again, I'd take the GPU over the RAM, cameras, and the difference in dimensions.

Even then, the iPad still doesn't have HSPA+ so you'll still be browsing at slower speeds, plus the obvious omission of Flash from the iPad.

The difference between GPUs is questionable, and the Galaxy Tab uses an Nvidia Tegra 2 chip CPU which has better overall performance than the iPad 2's A5 Cortex...

I have a WiFi only iPad 2, so that doesn't bother me. Apple doesn't release sales figures specific to each model, but "anecdotal evidence" of friends and from forums and so on etc. etc. would suggest that more people buy WiFi only tablets than 3G tablets. Still, I'll give you that one.

Questionable difference between the GPUs? Did you not see the benchmarks at the links I posted?

Here's a newer one from a Tab 10.1 review. The Tab 10.1, like the Xoom before it (which has the same Tegra 2), is outperformed by the iPad 2 when it comes to graphics. Other benchmarks... The Sunspider Javascript benchmark doesn't have a lot in it between them, however the Rightware BrowserMark score for the Android tablets is clearly better (one benefit of the increased RAM I assume). Graphics, though? iPad 2 wins.

I'm sure if you searched elsewhere you'd also find similar conclusions: the PowerVR SGX543MP2 dual-core GPU in the iPad 2's "Apple A5" SoC is superior to the GeForce ULP GPU in the "Tegra 2" SoC used in the Tab 10.1 / Xoom / etc.

Better overall performance? Where?

The "Apple A5" and the Nvidia Tegra 2 both contain the same CPU: A dual-core ARM Cortex-A9.

... but, as mentioned, the "Apple A5" has a superior GPU: A PowerVR SGX543MP2 dual-core GPU instead of a GeForce ULP.

So, I don't see how the Tegra 2 can have better overall performance...


Flash? Lol... I have no need of Flash. I avoid it where possible on my Win7 PC, and don't miss it at all on my iPad 2.

I have free apps for iPlayer, 4oD, ITV Player, and YouTube (& can use the YouTube website).

I can stream live Freeview TV using a free app (FilmON TV) or a free website (TVCatchUp.com), and stream certain Sky TV channels using the Sky Go app.

I can watch news videos with the BBC, C4 and Sky News apps; etc. etc.

I don't want to see Flash adverts, I despise Flash websites, and I don't play browser games.

Who cares about Flash?

And given the quite frankly ridiculously high ratio of iPad sales : non-iPad sales, I'd guess that Flash isn't much of a USP for the vast majority of tablet consumers.

D'oh. Typo. Should say 0.2mm (I can't edit it anymore).

Initially i thought the 4s was a little disappointing but after letting it sink in i think it will be a really good update for those users still using the 3gs (like me) and its not a worthwhile upgrade for those on the iPhone 4.

I saw a youtube video with someone talking about this situation and i think they summed it up great by saying,

"the iPhone 4s is not for people who have an iPhone 4!... it is for the people who have a 3gs and are now out of contract and ready to upgrade. we never got to use all the new features that the iPhone 4 brought to the table and that makes the 4s a good upgrade. The iPhone 5 will be a worthwhile update for those with the iPhone 4 and by then you will be out of contract"

After sleeping on it, I think I may buy one. I fancy a change from Android and many of the reasons I was considering buying an iPhone remain.

I'm in the same boat. May go for the cheaper 8GB iPhone 4, but I'll take a look at pricing and see how I feel.

My Android experience has been a pretty good one but I do sorta miss my 3GS. There are advantages and disadvantages to each platform but I'm probably going back to Apple for the look, support, less fragmentation and better integration with my other products (own a Mac and iPad).

yup - 16:9 retina display would really tempt me for an iPad 3.

with the cameras, i see them as more for video calls, then taking photos.

i've tried webcams and laptops with my mum, but she's completely phobic about them, but think she'd love to use a tablet for video calls, where it was no longer a *computer*, but just a screen you touched.

Iain

There is of course the option of trying to get a good bargain on a 4 with 32GB as the switch over happens...

You're unlikely to find any at lowered prices.

Apple have withdrawn the old iPhone 4 SKUs already and the networks won't switch over until the 4S is launched at which point they will no longer be permitted to sell the discontinued SKUs.

You can get the samsung galaxy tab 7.7 tablet that has a super AMOLED plus screen in a couple of months time (maybe sooner).

The best screen at the moment.

Hmm Odd, when the iPhone 4 was announced my GF bought a 32GB iPhone 3GS 2 days before the iPhone 4 came out from 02, so not sure where you got that from.

Tesco are getting it http://phone-shop.tesco.com/tesco-mo...4s-update.aspx

my upgrade is in a couple of months so will see how much it will cost

The networks can sell withdrawn SKUs until launch day, but not after.