Emeli Sande is doing well and is tipped to be huge next year
She is really bringing Urban back with a slight soulful and Massive attack vibe.
She is really bringing Urban back with a slight soulful and Massive attack vibe.
MOBO Awards 2011
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Originally Posted by Reem2011:
“What upsets me, is the lack of successful uk black and mixed race female. But not being racist, but as soon as white girl comes on scene singing soul, rnb, its getting praised and noticed!”
“What upsets me, is the lack of successful uk black and mixed race female. But not being racist, but as soon as white girl comes on scene singing soul, rnb, its getting praised and noticed!”
2008 was a good year Leona, Estelle, Alesha and Alexandra all had huge hits, we have taken a big step backwards. There was a good article in the Independent about it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...d-2196311.html
Originally Posted by Lushness:
“Folks crying about "black awards" but who has scooped the major gongs this year lol”
“Folks crying about "black awards" but who has scooped the major gongs this year lol”
No one asked you to butt in!!
So far Jessie J has won Best Album and Best Newcomer Rihanna won best international act Tinie Tempah Best hip hop act and Tinchy Stryder and Dappy best video for spaceship
Originally Posted by QWERTYOP:
“"Black" is not a style of music.”
“"Black" is not a style of music.”
"Black music" is. It refers to genres created in black communities. So RnB (e.g. Jessie J), soul (e.g. Adele), hip hop (e.g. Eminem), some branches of electronica (e.g. Chase N Status), and so on.
It's got nothing to do with the colour skin that the artists have. It's to do with the COMMUNITIES where the music originated from, which with most of these genres are communities in the USA or London predominantly consisting of black people, so they call them black communities. Of course, there's some white people living in those communities, and white people are free to create their own music within those genres.
Originally Posted by Reem2011:
“What upsets me, is the lack of successful uk black and mixed race female. But not being racist, but as soon as white girl comes on scene singing soul, rnb, its getting praised and noticed!”
“What upsets me, is the lack of successful uk black and mixed race female. But not being racist, but as soon as white girl comes on scene singing soul, rnb, its getting praised and noticed!”
Not just now. Even in the past decade, you have white artists such as Christina Aguilera, Eminem, Justin Timberlake, etc. who were doing black music. It seemed a lot of the people that liked them didn't like the black artists that were doing a very similar type of music. Especially with Eminem and his success in Europe this time 10 years ago, I really think the fact that he was white opened him up to a whole other audience, who might not have ever considered listening to hip hop before. Similar with Justin TImberlake when he started to do RnB and hip hop music.
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“Jessie J, Jason Derulo etc....crap?”
“Jessie J, Jason Derulo etc....crap?”
yes.complete garbage,as is every act at these farce awards.
I think western music has been mixed for well over 100 years now. It's the record companies historically who have divided it into black and white.
Still, I'm all for promoting unrecognized talent, not sure if the MOBOs really does that anymore though.......
Still, I'm all for promoting unrecognized talent, not sure if the MOBOs really does that anymore though.......
Originally Posted by Eric_Blob:
“"Black music" is. It refers to genres created in black communities. So RnB (e.g. Jessie J), soul (e.g. Adele), hip hop (e.g. Eminem), some branches of electronica (e.g. Chase N Status), and so on.
It's got nothing to do with the colour skin that the artists have. It's to do with the COMMUNITIES where the music originated from, which with most of these genres are communities in the USA or London predominantly consisting of black people, so they call them black communities. Of course, there's some white people living in those communities, and white people are free to create their own music within those genres.
Not just now. Even in the past decade, you have white artists such as Christina Aguilera, Eminem, Justin Timberlake, etc. who were doing black music. It seemed a lot of the people that liked them didn't like the black artists that were doing a very similar type of music. Especially with Eminem and his success in Europe this time 10 years ago, I really think the fact that he was white opened him up to a whole other audience, who might not have ever considered listening to hip hop before. Similar with Justin TImberlake when he started to do RnB and hip hop music.”
“"Black music" is. It refers to genres created in black communities. So RnB (e.g. Jessie J), soul (e.g. Adele), hip hop (e.g. Eminem), some branches of electronica (e.g. Chase N Status), and so on.
It's got nothing to do with the colour skin that the artists have. It's to do with the COMMUNITIES where the music originated from, which with most of these genres are communities in the USA or London predominantly consisting of black people, so they call them black communities. Of course, there's some white people living in those communities, and white people are free to create their own music within those genres.
Not just now. Even in the past decade, you have white artists such as Christina Aguilera, Eminem, Justin Timberlake, etc. who were doing black music. It seemed a lot of the people that liked them didn't like the black artists that were doing a very similar type of music. Especially with Eminem and his success in Europe this time 10 years ago, I really think the fact that he was white opened him up to a whole other audience, who might not have ever considered listening to hip hop before. Similar with Justin TImberlake when he started to do RnB and hip hop music.”
Very well said.
Originally Posted by Reem2011:
“Well stop being cocky!”
“Well stop being cocky!”
There's nothing wrong with what I said, if you don't like it well I guess that's just too bad...
Originally Posted by sammyvine:
“Anybody watch it....i missed it?
Was it good?”
“Anybody watch it....i missed it?
Was it good?”
no.it was crap as always.
The MOBO awards keeps going downhill.. its pretty much the same nominees every single year, I agree with what a previous poster said about the contradicting nature of it.. is it an award show for black artists or music of black origin? If the Beatles received an outstanding achievement award there'd be an uproar, yet their music is mainly of black origin. If "Beat Again" was sung by NSYNC or the Backstreet Boys would it even get nominated.. I'm not sure what the MOBO awards is trying to be but ultimately it is a crap award show with the same old unoriginal artists being glorified.
Watching it now and im bored. I've never found it entertaining and let's be honest, the awards are nothing special. It's ok for Jessie J and the press to rave she won 4 awards. But let's be honest again, she won 4 MOBO's not 4 grammys. Now that would be something to be proud about.
Originally Posted by Biko:
“The MOBO awards keeps going downhill.. its pretty much the same nominees every single year, I agree with what a previous poster said about the contradicting nature of it.. is it an award show for black artists or music of black origin? If the Beatles received an outstanding achievement award there'd be an uproar, yet their music is mainly of black origin. If "Beat Again" was sung by NSYNC or the Backstreet Boys would it even get nominated.. I'm not sure what the MOBO awards is trying to be but ultimately it is a crap award show with the same old unoriginal artists being glorified.”
“The MOBO awards keeps going downhill.. its pretty much the same nominees every single year, I agree with what a previous poster said about the contradicting nature of it.. is it an award show for black artists or music of black origin? If the Beatles received an outstanding achievement award there'd be an uproar, yet their music is mainly of black origin. If "Beat Again" was sung by NSYNC or the Backstreet Boys would it even get nominated.. I'm not sure what the MOBO awards is trying to be but ultimately it is a crap award show with the same old unoriginal artists being glorified.”
I can see black music influences in Beat Again. Infact, I believe it samples an Akon song or something. But some of JLS's other songs (most notably She Makes Me Wanna) are not black music at all, and are not a whole lot different to the songs Britney Spears and S Club 7 used to put out.
However, everybody nominated this year I can see influences of black music in at least one of their songs. Except Alexis Jordan. Her three singles so far, Happiness, Good Girl and Hush Hush are all electropop. Those are songs of European origin. So I think Alexis Jordan is certainly an example of an artist getting nominated because she's black, and she works with Jay-Z, and she is on a record label with a lot of hip hop and RnB artists.
JLS's music has that origin of black in it. Not because of their skin colour but their music is Urban Pop. They are not doing pop music like One direction but their music is R&b influenced.
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“JLS's music has that origin of black in it. Not because of their skin colour but their music is Urban Pop. They are not doing pop music like One direction but their music is R&b influenced.”
“JLS's music has that origin of black in it. Not because of their skin colour but their music is Urban Pop. They are not doing pop music like One direction but their music is R&b influenced.”
Out of their singles:
Beat Again, Everybody in Love, Love You More and their next single (it's basically a rip-off of Nothin' On You by B.o.B and Lighters by Bad Meets Evil), have some urban influences I think.
But One Shot, Eyes Wide Shut and She Makes Me Wanna are pure pop. I can't see anything remotely urban about them.
But that said, I have no problem with them being nominated, since they do have a few urban-influenced songs. And even the artists that are widely considered proper RnB or hip hop artists these days have done pure pop songs from time to time aswell.
I disagree. I wouldn't say they are pure pop
Pure pop is like Spice girls. That's pure pop
JLS are not. Just imo.
Pure pop is like Spice girls. That's pure pop
JLS are not. Just imo.
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“I disagree. I wouldn't say they are pure popPure pop is like Spice girls. That's pure pop
JLS are not. Just imo.”
“I disagree. I wouldn't say they are pure popPure pop is like Spice girls. That's pure pop
JLS are not. Just imo.”
They really are.
Yeah, I can understand people seeing urban influences in Beat Again (as I said, it sounds like some songs by Akon/Colby O'Donnis/Kardinal Official, etc.).
But some of their other songs, especially One Shot, Eyes Wide Shut and She Makes Me Wanna, are pure pop. The same as what Britney Spears and Madonna do.
Characterists of RnB and hip hop songs are that they have a slow tempo, syncopated percussion patterns (usually with snares, kicks, etc.), instruments like piano, strings, guitar, and so on.
She Makes Me Wanna is insanely fast, similar tempo to the likes of On the Floor and Born This Way, has NO percussion in at all (well, almost none), and all the instruments are completely synthesized (it uses the same electronic sounds as songs such as More by Usher and Dirty Dancer by Enrique Iglesias, two other pure pop songs). So I would say that song in no way can be considered even slightly urban.
But some of their other songs, especially One Shot, Eyes Wide Shut and She Makes Me Wanna, are pure pop. The same as what Britney Spears and Madonna do.
Characterists of RnB and hip hop songs are that they have a slow tempo, syncopated percussion patterns (usually with snares, kicks, etc.), instruments like piano, strings, guitar, and so on.
She Makes Me Wanna is insanely fast, similar tempo to the likes of On the Floor and Born This Way, has NO percussion in at all (well, almost none), and all the instruments are completely synthesized (it uses the same electronic sounds as songs such as More by Usher and Dirty Dancer by Enrique Iglesias, two other pure pop songs). So I would say that song in no way can be considered even slightly urban.
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