Have Apple lost it?

Zack06 · 04-10-2011, 20:01

I can't help feeling rather bewildered that Apple didn't take the opportunity to release the iPhone 5.

While the 4S has a reasonable spec bump, consumers are becoming more and more aware of features, and with phones like the Galaxy S2 and the Sensation already as good and better than the 4S, I can't help feeling that Apple is struggling to keep up...

I think they will realise that waiting over a year to release a minor upgrade was a big mistake. Especially with Google's Nexus Prime around the corner...

danleto · 04-10-2011, 20:06

Sums it up nicely.

KieranDS · 04-10-2011, 20:08

I was so underwhelmed. I'll be getting the new Blackberry Bold when my upgrade comes.

Everything Goes · 04-10-2011, 20:10

Having an iPhone is a fashion statement. In the long term Apple may become the victim of its own success. Every man and his dog have one so its really not an exclusive product as it once was. Maybe one day the public will wake up and smell the coffee and realise its no longer trendy to have an iPhone. Much like its no longer trendy to buy duffel coats.

megaresp · 04-10-2011, 20:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Maybe one day the public will wake up and smell the coffee and realise its no longer trendy to have an iPhone. Much like its no longer trendy to buy duffel coats.

Hah, shows what you know. My iCoat is vastly superior to all other coats. For a start, only the iCoat has iButtons.

Microkorg · 04-10-2011, 20:19

Got rid of my iPhone today, and went to Android
I would have bought an iPhone 5, but not bothered about a 4S

Zack06 · 04-10-2011, 20:29

Lol their stock dropped $13 after that announcement...ouch.

Ads · 04-10-2011, 20:34

I don't think having the 4s look exactly the same as the 4 is a wise move - lots of people buy Apple products to show them off, but no one is going to look twice if they think you are waving around an Iphone4

jjesso123 · 04-10-2011, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Having an iPhone is a fashion statement. In the long term Apple may become the victim of its own success. Every man and his dog have one so its really not an exclusive product as it once was. Maybe one day the public will wake up and smell the coffee and realise its no longer trendy to have an iPhone. Much like its no longer trendy to buy duffel coats.

That is generally how the tech world works.

_SpeedRacer_ · 04-10-2011, 20:39

Perhaps this is why Steve Jobs walked.

I think they would've gotten away with this IF they'd released in July like the others.

Making people wait longer for the smallest upgrade is pathetic.

Gormond · 04-10-2011, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ads

I don't think having the 4s look exactly the same as the 4 is a wise move - lots of people buy Apple products to show them off, but no one is going to look twice if they think you are waving around an Iphone4

Whats the shock, Apple often only redesign every 2 years. Look at the iphone 3G and 3GS.

matty168 · 04-10-2011, 20:50

i think they will suffer from this, it has a dual core processor, but i guarantee that Androids and other phone will be Quad core by early next year and by the time apple release the iPhone 5 with Quad core the others would have already moved on im afraid

linkinpark875 · 04-10-2011, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

I can't help feeling rather bewildered that Apple didn't take the opportunity to release the iPhone 5.

While the 4S has a reasonable spec bump, consumers are becoming more and more aware of features, and with phones like the Galaxy S2 and the Sensation already as good and better than the 4S, I can't help feeling that Apple is struggling to keep up...

I think they will realise that waiting over a year to release a minor upgrade was a big mistake. Especially with Google's Nexus Prime around the corner...

Go to the Galaxy S2 then.

I don't want a bigger screen on my phone I have an Ipad.

Have they lost it? No the Iphone 4 sold great so why change it usually Iphone designs last two or three cycles. I heard the same moans when the 3G went 3GS with only a 3MP camera update. How popular was that phone?

The big update is the camera and A5 chip on IOS5 with 200 features so it will be decent.

Gormond · 04-10-2011, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by matty168

i think they will suffer from this, it has a dual core processor, but i guarantee that Androids and other phone will be Quad core by early next year and by the time apple release the iPhone 5 with Quad core the others would have already moved on im afraid

Moved on to what?

I'm not sure what use quad core would be on a phone, my home computer isn't even quad core...

linkinpark875 · 04-10-2011, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Microkorg

Got rid of my iPhone today, and went to Android
I would have bought an iPhone 5, but not bothered about a 4S

Android will be out dated in three months as the next model will come along

I'll stick to a 4S until the next Iphone update.

_SpeedRacer_ · 04-10-2011, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Go to the Galaxy S2 then.

I don't want a bigger screen on my phone I have an Ipad.

Have they lost it? No the Iphone 4 sold great so why change it usually Iphone designs last two or three cycles. I heard the same moans when the 3G went 3GS with only a 3MP camera update. How popular was that phone?

The big update is the camera and A5 chip on IOS5 with 200 features so it will be decent.

At that time, iOS was still undesputedly the best operating system at least for usability.

Apple had an enormous head start but the others have really caught up both on spec and software, I'm afraid instead of leading the way Apple are now beginning to play catch-up against other phone manufacturers,

PrinceGaz · 04-10-2011, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Microkorg

Got rid of my iPhone today, and went to Android
I would have bought an iPhone 5, but not bothered about a 4S

Yeah, right. It all comes down to name.

The iPhone 4S is to the iPhone 4 what the iPhone 3GS was to the iPhone 3G, but quite a bit more so in terms of its hardware upgrades.

Does it matter if it is an iPhone 5 or a 4S? Personally I won't be getting either, but I don't get anyone dissing the 4S with iOS5 just because it wasn't the much awaited iPhone 5.

Zack06 · 04-10-2011, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by linkinpark875

Go to the Galaxy S2 then.

I don't want a bigger screen on my phone I have an Ipad.

Have they lost it? No the Iphone 4 sold great so why change it usually Iphone designs last two or three cycles. I heard the same moans when the 3G went 3GS with only a 3MP camera update. How popular was that phone?

The big update is the camera and A5 chip on IOS5 with 200 features so it will be decent.

The difference is, Apple isn't the market leader, so introducing incremental updates like that only affect you as the consumer. They don't care as they make their money, but you are locked into a contract lasting over a year with a phone that was already way out of date from the day you bought it.

It's not about screen size, its about value, and iPhone 4S has zero value imo. There is no point switching to this phone when SGS2 and Sensation give you way better specs for less money.

Apple aren't in a position to make fools out of their consumers any more. You may be OK with throwing away cash on silly upgrades like this, but many others are not and will switch to something that will give them more bang for their buck, and the iPhone 4S does not do this.

sammyvine · 04-10-2011, 21:35

How have Apple lost it?

Their computers/laptops are excellent.

Zack06 · 04-10-2011, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyvine

How have Apple lost it?

Their computers/laptops are excellent.

Windows still owns over 80% of the computer market, Android has overtaken iPhone in the mobile market, and their founder is no longer in a real position at the company...

They have an uphill battle ahead of them imo.

sammyvine · 04-10-2011, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

Windows still owns over 80% of the computer market, Android has overtaken iPhone in the mobile market, and their founder is no longer in a real position at the company...

They have an uphill battle ahead of them imo.

No windows own more of the market because of the amount of different companies which use window's such as HP, Dell, Sony etc....

Mac computers are better than Window's on reliability etc...

Zack06 · 04-10-2011, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyvine

No windows own more of the market because of the amount of different companies which use window's such as HP, Dell, Sony etc....

Mac computers are better than Window's on reliability etc...

Where are these facts coming from? And don't say that Macs never gets viruses. They do. It's just that no-one can be bothered to make viruses for Macs because hardly anyone uses them. I also find the Office for Mac to be worse than the Windows version, and some programs don't even support Mac.

Apple made the same mistake with iOS which is why they are losing the mobile market. Support of OEMs is a very powerful thing.

Gormond · 04-10-2011, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zack06

Where are these facts coming from? And don't say that Macs never gets viruses. They do. It's just that no-one can be bothered to make viruses for Macs because hardly anyone uses them. I also find the Office for Mac to be worse than the Windows version, and some programs don't even support Mac.

Apple made the same mistake with iOS which is why they are losing the mobile market. Support of OEMs is a very powerful thing.

You are comparing hardware to software... If you compare mac sales then compare then to other hardware manufacturers such as HP, Sony, Dell.

jjesso123 · 04-10-2011, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyvine

No windows own more of the market because of the amount of different companies which use window's such as HP, Dell, Sony etc....

Mac computers are better than Window's on reliability etc...

Very bold statement that is untrue. Please explain how MAC is less reliable than a PC's running windows 7 ? Especially when hardware is the same but in most cases a lot more advanced.

sammyvine · 04-10-2011, 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gormond

You are comparing hardware to software... If you compare mac sales then compare then to other hardware manufacturers such as HP, Sony, Dell.

Exactly.

04-10-2011, 20:01	#1
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Have Apple lost it? I can't help feeling rather bewildered that Apple didn't take the opportunity to release the iPhone 5. While the 4S has a reasonable spec bump, consumers are becoming more and more aware of features, and with phones like the Galaxy S2 and the Sensation already as good and better than the 4S, I can't help feeling that Apple is struggling to keep up... I think they will realise that waiting over a year to release a minor upgrade was a big mistake. Especially with Google's Nexus Prime around the corner...

04-10-2011, 20:06	#2
danleto Guest Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,519	Sums it up nicely.

04-10-2011, 20:08	#3
KieranDS Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 15,938	I was so underwhelmed. I'll be getting the new Blackberry Bold when my upgrade comes.

04-10-2011, 20:10	#4
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Having an iPhone is a fashion statement. In the long term Apple may become the victim of its own success. Every man and his dog have one so its really not an exclusive product as it once was. Maybe one day the public will wake up and smell the coffee and realise its no longer trendy to have an iPhone. Much like its no longer trendy to buy duffel coats.

04-10-2011, 20:14	#5
megaresp Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 866	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes Maybe one day the public will wake up and smell the coffee and realise its no longer trendy to have an iPhone. Much like its no longer trendy to buy duffel coats. Hah, shows what you know. My iCoat is vastly superior to all other coats. For a start, only the iCoat has iButtons.

04-10-2011, 20:19	#6
Microkorg Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sussex Posts: 2,341	Got rid of my iPhone today, and went to Android I would have bought an iPhone 5, but not bothered about a 4S

04-10-2011, 20:29	#7
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Lol their stock dropped $13 after that announcement...ouch.

04-10-2011, 20:34	#8
Ads Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pimlico, central London, UK Posts: 14,886	I don't think having the 4s look exactly the same as the 4 is a wise move - lots of people buy Apple products to show them off, but no one is going to look twice if they think you are waving around an Iphone4

04-10-2011, 20:38	#9
jjesso123 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,505	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes Having an iPhone is a fashion statement. In the long term Apple may become the victim of its own success. Every man and his dog have one so its really not an exclusive product as it once was. Maybe one day the public will wake up and smell the coffee and realise its no longer trendy to have an iPhone. Much like its no longer trendy to buy duffel coats. That is generally how the tech world works.

04-10-2011, 20:39	#10
_SpeedRacer_ Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,800	Perhaps this is why Steve Jobs walked. I think they would've gotten away with this IF they'd released in July like the others. Making people wait longer for the smallest upgrade is pathetic.

04-10-2011, 20:40	#11
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by Ads I don't think having the 4s look exactly the same as the 4 is a wise move - lots of people buy Apple products to show them off, but no one is going to look twice if they think you are waving around an Iphone4 Whats the shock, Apple often only redesign every 2 years. Look at the iphone 3G and 3GS.

04-10-2011, 20:50	#12
matty168 Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 57	i think they will suffer from this, it has a dual core processor, but i guarantee that Androids and other phone will be Quad core by early next year and by the time apple release the iPhone 5 with Quad core the others would have already moved on im afraid

04-10-2011, 21:01	#13
linkinpark875 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24,424	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 I can't help feeling rather bewildered that Apple didn't take the opportunity to release the iPhone 5. While the 4S has a reasonable spec bump, consumers are becoming more and more aware of features, and with phones like the Galaxy S2 and the Sensation already as good and better than the 4S, I can't help feeling that Apple is struggling to keep up... I think they will realise that waiting over a year to release a minor upgrade was a big mistake. Especially with Google's Nexus Prime around the corner... Go to the Galaxy S2 then. I don't want a bigger screen on my phone I have an Ipad. Have they lost it? No the Iphone 4 sold great so why change it usually Iphone designs last two or three cycles. I heard the same moans when the 3G went 3GS with only a 3MP camera update. How popular was that phone? The big update is the camera and A5 chip on IOS5 with 200 features so it will be decent.

04-10-2011, 21:02	#14
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by matty168 i think they will suffer from this, it has a dual core processor, but i guarantee that Androids and other phone will be Quad core by early next year and by the time apple release the iPhone 5 with Quad core the others would have already moved on im afraid Moved on to what? I'm not sure what use quad core would be on a phone, my home computer isn't even quad core...

04-10-2011, 21:02	#15
linkinpark875 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 24,424	Quote: Originally Posted by Microkorg Got rid of my iPhone today, and went to Android I would have bought an iPhone 5, but not bothered about a 4S Android will be out dated in three months as the next model will come along I'll stick to a 4S until the next Iphone update.

04-10-2011, 21:06	#16
_SpeedRacer_ Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,800	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 Go to the Galaxy S2 then. I don't want a bigger screen on my phone I have an Ipad. Have they lost it? No the Iphone 4 sold great so why change it usually Iphone designs last two or three cycles. I heard the same moans when the 3G went 3GS with only a 3MP camera update. How popular was that phone? The big update is the camera and A5 chip on IOS5 with 200 features so it will be decent. At that time, iOS was still undesputedly the best operating system at least for usability. Apple had an enormous head start but the others have really caught up both on spec and software, I'm afraid instead of leading the way Apple are now beginning to play catch-up against other phone manufacturers,

04-10-2011, 21:07	#17
PrinceGaz Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Newcastle-upon-Tyne Posts: 8,175	Quote: Originally Posted by Microkorg Got rid of my iPhone today, and went to Android I would have bought an iPhone 5, but not bothered about a 4S Yeah, right. It all comes down to name. The iPhone 4S is to the iPhone 4 what the iPhone 3GS was to the iPhone 3G, but quite a bit more so in terms of its hardware upgrades. Does it matter if it is an iPhone 5 or a 4S? Personally I won't be getting either, but I don't get anyone dissing the 4S with iOS5 just because it wasn't the much awaited iPhone 5.

04-10-2011, 21:30	#18
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by linkinpark875 Go to the Galaxy S2 then. I don't want a bigger screen on my phone I have an Ipad. Have they lost it? No the Iphone 4 sold great so why change it usually Iphone designs last two or three cycles. I heard the same moans when the 3G went 3GS with only a 3MP camera update. How popular was that phone? The big update is the camera and A5 chip on IOS5 with 200 features so it will be decent. The difference is, Apple isn't the market leader, so introducing incremental updates like that only affect you as the consumer. They don't care as they make their money, but you are locked into a contract lasting over a year with a phone that was already way out of date from the day you bought it. It's not about screen size, its about value, and iPhone 4S has zero value imo. There is no point switching to this phone when SGS2 and Sensation give you way better specs for less money. Apple aren't in a position to make fools out of their consumers any more. You may be OK with throwing away cash on silly upgrades like this, but many others are not and will switch to something that will give them more bang for their buck, and the iPhone 4S does not do this.

04-10-2011, 21:35	#19
sammyvine Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,959	How have Apple lost it? Their computers/laptops are excellent.

04-10-2011, 21:37	#20
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by sammyvine How have Apple lost it? Their computers/laptops are excellent. Windows still owns over 80% of the computer market, Android has overtaken iPhone in the mobile market, and their founder is no longer in a real position at the company... They have an uphill battle ahead of them imo.

04-10-2011, 21:43	#21
sammyvine Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,959	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Windows still owns over 80% of the computer market, Android has overtaken iPhone in the mobile market, and their founder is no longer in a real position at the company... They have an uphill battle ahead of them imo. No windows own more of the market because of the amount of different companies which use window's such as HP, Dell, Sony etc.... Mac computers are better than Window's on reliability etc...

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04-10-2011, 21:50	#22
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by sammyvine No windows own more of the market because of the amount of different companies which use window's such as HP, Dell, Sony etc.... Mac computers are better than Window's on reliability etc... Where are these facts coming from? And don't say that Macs never gets viruses. They do. It's just that no-one can be bothered to make viruses for Macs because hardly anyone uses them. I also find the Office for Mac to be worse than the Windows version, and some programs don't even support Mac. Apple made the same mistake with iOS which is why they are losing the mobile market. Support of OEMs is a very powerful thing.

04-10-2011, 21:52	#23
Gormond Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 15,714	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Where are these facts coming from? And don't say that Macs never gets viruses. They do. It's just that no-one can be bothered to make viruses for Macs because hardly anyone uses them. I also find the Office for Mac to be worse than the Windows version, and some programs don't even support Mac. Apple made the same mistake with iOS which is why they are losing the mobile market. Support of OEMs is a very powerful thing. You are comparing hardware to software... If you compare mac sales then compare then to other hardware manufacturers such as HP, Sony, Dell.

04-10-2011, 21:53	#24
jjesso123 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,505	Quote: Originally Posted by sammyvine No windows own more of the market because of the amount of different companies which use window's such as HP, Dell, Sony etc.... Mac computers are better than Window's on reliability etc... Very bold statement that is untrue. Please explain how MAC is less reliable than a PC's running windows 7 ? Especially when hardware is the same but in most cases a lot more advanced.

04-10-2011, 21:54	#25
sammyvine Inactive Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,959	Quote: Originally Posted by Gormond You are comparing hardware to software... If you compare mac sales then compare then to other hardware manufacturers such as HP, Sony, Dell. Exactly.