Have Apple lost it?

edEx · 05-10-2011, 13:42

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But it's happened all over again with Android vs. iOS and Apple are making all the same mistakes....

Apple, as with all companies, make mistakes. I don't see how these are necessarily the same ones as before though. Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO.

BTW, looks like the legal spats aren't abating...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/te...ion/index.html

Stiggles · 05-10-2011, 13:47

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

Apple couldn't offer an iPhone 5 with major hardware upgrade, LTE and the like in a sexy new package as the technology just isn't there in the size they need to squeeze it in a new case.

The functionality of iPhone is still better than all the Smartphones out there.

Lol ok....

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Name me one phone that does ALL of this.

ok

AirPlay :- DNLA. GS2
8 megapixel BACKLIT sensor:- GS2
2.4 aperture lens:- not checked yet.
1080 HD video:- GS2
Great battery time:- GS2
Dual Core:- GS2
300+ ppi screen:- Gimmick but the GS2 has an equally as good screen which no one can yet tell the difference between this and retina.
Manufacturer shops in most big cities around the world.:- Most? I dont think so lmao!
iTunes remote, Keynote remote. :- i can control my telly from my GS2 using no 3rd party software. Can you?
FaceTime which is free to use:- Rubbish. Its only free over wifi. haha! in fact, it only works over wifi. Any other phone has Video calling which can be used anywhere. It flopped just like facetime has. GS2 again.
Non network branded over the air updates:- Wtf! Any phone that isnt locked to a network will get this. Apple are last in the queu here for OTA updates. Been going on for years. GS2 once again and also pretty much every other phone.
HSPA+ :- GS2
Plus more:- which are?

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It doesn't matter if the case is 18 months old, for me It still the best solution for my situation.

So esscntially your buying an old case with tech inside many other phones already have and has been out for the last 6 months.

Zack06 · 05-10-2011, 13:48

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Originally Posted by edEx

Apple, as with all companies, make mistakes. I don't see how these are necessarily the same ones as before though. Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO.

BTW, looks like the legal spats aren't abating...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/te...ion/index.html

They are the same in essence, and instead of realising that Android is growing exactly how Windows was all those years ago, Apple aren't adapting...

Even a brand new low cost iPhone would have gone some way to fighting off Android, but instead they've chosen to keep old models, and have the new one as just as minor spec bump....

Apple failed to act quickly with Windows, and when they finally realised what was going on it was too late. It looks like they've noted the threat of Android already, but imo they aren't making the right moves at all.

Stiggles · 05-10-2011, 13:57

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Originally Posted by edEx

Apple, as with all companies, make mistakes. I don't see how these are necessarily the same ones as before though. Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO.

BTW, looks like the legal spats aren't abating...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/te...ion/index.html

Oh dear.....

Izak · 05-10-2011, 14:10

I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors.

What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G.

edEx · 05-10-2011, 14:20

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Originally Posted by Izak

I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors.

Agreed. If Apple had promised a 4" screen or 4G and then released the 4s I could understand the disappointment, but the only expectations being dashed are those of the famously inaccurate Internet rumour mill.

Gaz125 · 05-10-2011, 14:21

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Originally Posted by sammyvine

How have Apple lost it?

Their computers/laptops are excellent.

couldnt agree more,i have an Apple i mac and a macbook laptop,superb pices of kit,as for an i phone!!!! far to expensive for me on a contract,but like many others i do believe Apple have missed a trick for sure by not releasing a new model!!

elena · 05-10-2011, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Izak

I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors.

What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G.

A lot of people thought that seeing as the release was 'out of sync' from the usual iPhone refresh Apple were going with something 'special' like a redesign.

It is true that Apple are often behind the spec curve. The iPhone 4S is no different. But to some people that won't matter because they like the design, iOS, the App Store etc. So they'll buy it.

It's all about freedom of choice. If you wanted a phone that really blew everything else, spec-wise, out of the water, I don't think you'd plump for an iPhone. But sometimes it's not what's under the bonnet, it's just whether you 'like' the phone or not.

I was a little underwhelmed by the iPhone 4S but, as I've said on other threads, an iPhone is likely to be my next phone (it may be I just plump for a 4 now though). Doesn't mean I can't maturely debate the pros and cons of Apple products, though.

One of the things a lot of people miss in the smartphone wars is that these new phones, whatever their specs, are generally incredibly high-end pieces of kit. People are walking around with what are, really, mini-computers in their pockets costing hundreds upon hundreds of pounds. Chances are, whichever smartphone you plump for, you are buying a pretty advanced product whose functionality is very good.

elena · 05-10-2011, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Gaz125

couldnt agree more,i have an Apple i mac and a macbook laptop,superb pices of kit,as for an i phone!!!! far to expensive for me on a contract,but like many others i do believe Apple have missed a trick for sure by not releasing a new model!!

That was one of the reasons I avoided an iPhone for my last contract. I got a very good deal with a HTC phone instead. The cost is what really puts me off going back, but I'll have a look at pricing structures when my contract runs out in December and make a decision then.

Akane Tendo · 05-10-2011, 14:36

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Originally Posted by Izak

I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors.

What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G.

Because Izak it's not a samsung galaxy 2. It's the king of phones now you know. You must bow down before it.

ACU · 05-10-2011, 14:38

I think Apple have messed up here, quite a bit. I lot of people are not happy with yesterdays announcement. Some have decided to stay on 4, some have said they will buy android/blackberry. At a time where Apple are losing market share, they need a device that would wow the public. Instead a lot of people watched the 90 odd minute presentation and were left underwhelmed. The die-hards would have been happy with anything.

It took them 15 odd months, and this is what they have come up with? When they were leading the smartphone market it would have been enough. When you losing ground to android, it simply wont do. Smasung/HTC etc are releasing top end phone every few months. Apple are just going to lose more market share.

Will then sell loads of unit, yes but not as much they would want. To me it seems like Apple have sort of given up on the iphone market, and concentrating on the tablet market.

I think the samsung event next week, will certainly leave people a lot happier than the apple people were yesterday.

Is this the start of apple demise....nah not even close. But they arent the force they once were in the smartphone market, and given a couple of years the tablet market will also be lost.

I can bet a lot of people last night were left thinking, where is Jobs.

Zack06 · 05-10-2011, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Izak

I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors.

What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G.

Ok so next Tuesday when Google and Samsung debut the Nexus Prime, tell me which phone you'd rather have...

The leaked shots of the Prime show it having a 720p resolution which is as good as Retina, except that it's on SAMOLED+ and not IPS so it will look better than the Retina Display...

Also 1.5GHz dual core and curved glass screen. I think Apple missed a huge opportunity with this launch, and where they could have put a spanner in the works for Android, all they could come up with was a mediocre revision over a year and a half after the iPhone 4 launch...

Staunchy · 05-10-2011, 14:46

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Originally Posted by ACU

...I can bet a lot of people last night were left thinking, where is Jobs.

I can't help but think that if yesterday's presentation had been made by Jobs, the post event mood would have been a lot less "Meh".

tdenson · 05-10-2011, 14:50

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Originally Posted by iannai

Bottom line?

Apple share price will recover.
iPhone 4S will sell by the truck-load.
Apple will turn in yet another massive profit next year.
iPhone 5 and iPad 3 will release at some point in the next 12 months and again sell by the shit-load.
Loads of people will still label the products over-priced trendy tat.

I think the fruity logo is going to be around for a while yet.

Totally agree. I bought a shed load of Apple stock at under $100 when the original iPhone was launched as I could see it was going to be a commercial success (it was clear in my mind that it was the first smartphone that the man in the street would "get"). However, at the time all the Apple haters in this and other forums were saying exactly the same thing "overpriced designer rubbish", and it will be commercial disaster.
Well, 4 years on with the stock hovering around $400 and destined to go 500+ who is laughing now (me, all the way to the bank). Will not be selling just yet, and by the way my technical opinion is that Apple make first class products, but the real secret of their success is an end to end ecosystem which no other company on the planet can hope to come near - with the possible exception of Amazon. Google are just a amateurish techie mess - yes they appeal to the diehard techies amongst us, but the inevitable fragmentation introduced by having an open system leads to a morass of confusion amongst Joe Public.

tdenson · 05-10-2011, 14:56

[quote=edEx;53307031 Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO.
[/QUOTE]

When Steve Jobs came back to (failing) Apple in the 90's one of the first things he did was axe the plans to license the Mac OS to OEMs. This was a masterstroke as the secret of their success (whether you like it or not) is their closed walled garden system. As a techie I hate lots of the walled garden stuff, but I cannot deny that it has enormous advantages.

Inkblot · 05-10-2011, 14:58

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Originally Posted by Zack06

over a year and a half after the iPhone 4 launch...

I may be missing something here but why do people keep saying it's over a year and a half since the iPhone 4 was launched?

It was launched just under 14 months ago.

Zack06 · 05-10-2011, 15:01

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Originally Posted by Inkblot

I may be missing something here but why do people keep saying it's over a year and a half since the iPhone 4 was launched?

It was launched just under 14 months ago.

Give or take 2 months...but in any case, it's still an awfully long time to wait just to release a minor incremental update.

Akane Tendo · 05-10-2011, 15:03

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Originally Posted by ACU

I can bet a lot of people last night were left thinking, where is Jobs.

Jobs launched the ipad 2 and people still had a good old moan.

Akane Tendo · 05-10-2011, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Give or take 2 months...but in any case, it's still an awfully long time to wait just to release a minor incremental update.

And what about the iphone 3g and 3gs. They did it before. Why are people surprised?

Staunchy · 05-10-2011, 15:05

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Give or take 2 months...but in any case, it's still an awfully long time to wait just to release a minor incremental update.

Wasn't the Japanese Tsunami a contributing factor in the longer time between releases?

edEx · 05-10-2011, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Akane Tendo

Jobs launched the ipad 2 and people still had a good old moan.

Of course they did. Apple are like Nintendo. They don't release the products the hardcore techies want, but their stuff easily finds mass appeal outside of tech obsessives.

Zack06 · 05-10-2011, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Staunchy

Wasn't the Japanese Tsunami a contributing factor in the longer time between releases?

Considering the iPhone is manufactured by Foxconn who operate in China and Taiwan, and Samsung supply the majority of the parts who are based in Korea, I don't think so no.

Inkblot · 05-10-2011, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Give or take 2 months...

Er, last time I checked there were 12 months in a year.

tdenson · 05-10-2011, 15:09

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Also 1.5GHz dual core and curved glass screen.

Apple haters seem determined to miss the point and concentrate on hardware specs. The very fact that Apple control the whole ecosystem, but particularly the h/w design and the O/S means that everything is designed to work together efficiently. Give me a 1GhZ CPU with custom designed software over 1.5GhZ and a morass of different companies hardware and and variants of Android anyday. Having to be hardware agnostic inevitable leads to inefficiency in the use of the CPU.

Staunchy · 05-10-2011, 15:10

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Considering the iPhone is manufactured by Foxconn who operate in China and Taiwan, and Samsung supply the majority of the parts who are based in Korea, I don't think so no.

Where do the the camera gubbins, one of the major updates come from?

05-10-2011, 13:42	#76
edEx Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Londres, Tierra del Fuego Posts: 12,952	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 But it's happened all over again with Android vs. iOS and Apple are making all the same mistakes.... Apple, as with all companies, make mistakes. I don't see how these are necessarily the same ones as before though. Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO. BTW, looks like the legal spats aren't abating... http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/te...ion/index.html

05-10-2011, 13:47	#77
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan Apple couldn't offer an iPhone 5 with major hardware upgrade, LTE and the like in a sexy new package as the technology just isn't there in the size they need to squeeze it in a new case. The functionality of iPhone is still better than all the Smartphones out there. Lol ok.... Quote: Name me one phone that does ALL of this. ok AirPlay :- DNLA. GS2 8 megapixel BACKLIT sensor:- GS2 2.4 aperture lens:- not checked yet. 1080 HD video:- GS2 Great battery time:- GS2 Dual Core:- GS2 300+ ppi screen:- Gimmick but the GS2 has an equally as good screen which no one can yet tell the difference between this and retina. Manufacturer shops in most big cities around the world.:- Most? I dont think so lmao! iTunes remote, Keynote remote. :- i can control my telly from my GS2 using no 3rd party software. Can you? FaceTime which is free to use:- Rubbish. Its only free over wifi. haha! in fact, it only works over wifi. Any other phone has Video calling which can be used anywhere. It flopped just like facetime has. GS2 again. Non network branded over the air updates:- Wtf! Any phone that isnt locked to a network will get this. Apple are last in the queu here for OTA updates. Been going on for years. GS2 once again and also pretty much every other phone. HSPA+ :- GS2 Plus more:- which are? Quote: It doesn't matter if the case is 18 months old, for me It still the best solution for my situation. So esscntially your buying an old case with tech inside many other phones already have and has been out for the last 6 months.

05-10-2011, 13:48	#78
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by edEx Apple, as with all companies, make mistakes. I don't see how these are necessarily the same ones as before though. Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO. BTW, looks like the legal spats aren't abating... http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/te...ion/index.html They are the same in essence, and instead of realising that Android is growing exactly how Windows was all those years ago, Apple aren't adapting... Even a brand new low cost iPhone would have gone some way to fighting off Android, but instead they've chosen to keep old models, and have the new one as just as minor spec bump.... Apple failed to act quickly with Windows, and when they finally realised what was going on it was too late. It looks like they've noted the threat of Android already, but imo they aren't making the right moves at all.

05-10-2011, 13:57	#79
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by edEx Apple, as with all companies, make mistakes. I don't see how these are necessarily the same ones as before though. Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO. BTW, looks like the legal spats aren't abating... http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/05/te...ion/index.html Oh dear.....

05-10-2011, 14:10	#80
Izak Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Stockport, Cheshire Posts: 3,416	I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors. What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G.

05-10-2011, 14:20	#81
edEx Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Londres, Tierra del Fuego Posts: 12,952	Quote: Originally Posted by Izak I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors. Agreed. If Apple had promised a 4" screen or 4G and then released the 4s I could understand the disappointment, but the only expectations being dashed are those of the famously inaccurate Internet rumour mill.

05-10-2011, 14:21	#82
Gaz125 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Burnley Posts: 225	Quote: Originally Posted by sammyvine How have Apple lost it? Their computers/laptops are excellent. couldnt agree more,i have an Apple i mac and a macbook laptop,superb pices of kit,as for an i phone!!!! far to expensive for me on a contract,but like many others i do believe Apple have missed a trick for sure by not releasing a new model!!

05-10-2011, 14:32	#83
elena Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 13,864	Quote: Originally Posted by Izak I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors. What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G. A lot of people thought that seeing as the release was 'out of sync' from the usual iPhone refresh Apple were going with something 'special' like a redesign. It is true that Apple are often behind the spec curve. The iPhone 4S is no different. But to some people that won't matter because they like the design, iOS, the App Store etc. So they'll buy it. It's all about freedom of choice. If you wanted a phone that really blew everything else, spec-wise, out of the water, I don't think you'd plump for an iPhone. But sometimes it's not what's under the bonnet, it's just whether you 'like' the phone or not. I was a little underwhelmed by the iPhone 4S but, as I've said on other threads, an iPhone is likely to be my next phone (it may be I just plump for a 4 now though). Doesn't mean I can't maturely debate the pros and cons of Apple products, though. One of the things a lot of people miss in the smartphone wars is that these new phones, whatever their specs, are generally incredibly high-end pieces of kit. People are walking around with what are, really, mini-computers in their pockets costing hundreds upon hundreds of pounds. Chances are, whichever smartphone you plump for, you are buying a pretty advanced product whose functionality is very good.

05-10-2011, 14:34	#84
elena Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Posts: 13,864	Quote: Originally Posted by Gaz125 couldnt agree more,i have an Apple i mac and a macbook laptop,superb pices of kit,as for an i phone!!!! far to expensive for me on a contract,but like many others i do believe Apple have missed a trick for sure by not releasing a new model!! That was one of the reasons I avoided an iPhone for my last contract. I got a very good deal with a HTC phone instead. The cost is what really puts me off going back, but I'll have a look at pricing structures when my contract runs out in December and make a decision then.

05-10-2011, 14:36	#85
Akane Tendo Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,813	Quote: Originally Posted by Izak I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors. What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G. Because Izak it's not a samsung galaxy 2. It's the king of phones now you know. You must bow down before it.

05-10-2011, 14:38	#86
ACU Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 7,916	I think Apple have messed up here, quite a bit. I lot of people are not happy with yesterdays announcement. Some have decided to stay on 4, some have said they will buy android/blackberry. At a time where Apple are losing market share, they need a device that would wow the public. Instead a lot of people watched the 90 odd minute presentation and were left underwhelmed. The die-hards would have been happy with anything. It took them 15 odd months, and this is what they have come up with? When they were leading the smartphone market it would have been enough. When you losing ground to android, it simply wont do. Smasung/HTC etc are releasing top end phone every few months. Apple are just going to lose more market share. Will then sell loads of unit, yes but not as much they would want. To me it seems like Apple have sort of given up on the iphone market, and concentrating on the tablet market. I think the samsung event next week, will certainly leave people a lot happier than the apple people were yesterday. Is this the start of apple demise....nah not even close. But they arent the force they once were in the smartphone market, and given a couple of years the tablet market will also be lost. I can bet a lot of people last night were left thinking, where is Jobs.

05-10-2011, 14:46	#87
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by Izak I don't understand why people think the iPhone 4S is lacklustre? It's got a dual core processor, a lot of phones still have single core processors. What did people actually want with the new iPhone? It seems to have everything I would ever need from a phone myself!!! Then again I have a simple standard mobile and an iPod Touch 1G. Ok so next Tuesday when Google and Samsung debut the Nexus Prime, tell me which phone you'd rather have... The leaked shots of the Prime show it having a 720p resolution which is as good as Retina, except that it's on SAMOLED+ and not IPS so it will look better than the Retina Display... Also 1.5GHz dual core and curved glass screen. I think Apple missed a huge opportunity with this launch, and where they could have put a spanner in the works for Android, all they could come up with was a mediocre revision over a year and a half after the iPhone 4 launch...

05-10-2011, 14:46	#88
Staunchy Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,780	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU ...I can bet a lot of people last night were left thinking, where is Jobs. I can't help but think that if yesterday's presentation had been made by Jobs, the post event mood would have been a lot less "Meh".

05-10-2011, 14:50	#89
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by iannai Bottom line? Apple share price will recover. iPhone 4S will sell by the truck-load. Apple will turn in yet another massive profit next year. iPhone 5 and iPad 3 will release at some point in the next 12 months and again sell by the shit-load. Loads of people will still label the products over-priced trendy tat. I think the fruity logo is going to be around for a while yet. Totally agree. I bought a shed load of Apple stock at under $100 when the original iPhone was launched as I could see it was going to be a commercial success (it was clear in my mind that it was the first smartphone that the man in the street would "get"). However, at the time all the Apple haters in this and other forums were saying exactly the same thing "overpriced designer rubbish", and it will be commercial disaster. Well, 4 years on with the stock hovering around $400 and destined to go 500+ who is laughing now (me, all the way to the bank). Will not be selling just yet, and by the way my technical opinion is that Apple make first class products, but the real secret of their success is an end to end ecosystem which no other company on the planet can hope to come near - with the possible exception of Amazon. Google are just a amateurish techie mess - yes they appeal to the diehard techies amongst us, but the inevitable fragmentation introduced by having an open system leads to a morass of confusion amongst Joe Public.

05-10-2011, 14:56	#90
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	[quote=edEx;53307031 Unless you are referring to the idea that they have to license iOS out to other manufacturers in order to survive, which is a questionable strategy IMO. [/QUOTE] When Steve Jobs came back to (failing) Apple in the 90's one of the first things he did was axe the plans to license the Mac OS to OEMs. This was a masterstroke as the secret of their success (whether you like it or not) is their closed walled garden system. As a techie I hate lots of the walled garden stuff, but I cannot deny that it has enormous advantages.

05-10-2011, 14:58	#91
Inkblot Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: West London Posts: 24,316	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 over a year and a half after the iPhone 4 launch... I may be missing something here but why do people keep saying it's over a year and a half since the iPhone 4 was launched? It was launched just under 14 months ago.

05-10-2011, 15:01	#92
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by Inkblot I may be missing something here but why do people keep saying it's over a year and a half since the iPhone 4 was launched? It was launched just under 14 months ago. Give or take 2 months...but in any case, it's still an awfully long time to wait just to release a minor incremental update.

05-10-2011, 15:03	#93
Akane Tendo Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,813	Quote: Originally Posted by ACU I can bet a lot of people last night were left thinking, where is Jobs. Jobs launched the ipad 2 and people still had a good old moan.

05-10-2011, 15:05	#94
Akane Tendo Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 3,813	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Give or take 2 months...but in any case, it's still an awfully long time to wait just to release a minor incremental update. And what about the iphone 3g and 3gs. They did it before. Why are people surprised?

05-10-2011, 15:06	#96
edEx Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Londres, Tierra del Fuego Posts: 12,952	Quote: Originally Posted by Akane Tendo Jobs launched the ipad 2 and people still had a good old moan. Of course they did. Apple are like Nintendo. They don't release the products the hardcore techies want, but their stuff easily finds mass appeal outside of tech obsessives.

05-10-2011, 15:06	#97
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	Quote: Originally Posted by Staunchy Wasn't the Japanese Tsunami a contributing factor in the longer time between releases? Considering the iPhone is manufactured by Foxconn who operate in China and Taiwan, and Samsung supply the majority of the parts who are based in Korea, I don't think so no.

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Have Apple lost it?

05-10-2011, 15:07	#98
Inkblot Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: West London Posts: 24,316	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Give or take 2 months... Er, last time I checked there were 12 months in a year.

05-10-2011, 15:09	#99
tdenson Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,214	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Also 1.5GHz dual core and curved glass screen. Apple haters seem determined to miss the point and concentrate on hardware specs. The very fact that Apple control the whole ecosystem, but particularly the h/w design and the O/S means that everything is designed to work together efficiently. Give me a 1GhZ CPU with custom designed software over 1.5GhZ and a morass of different companies hardware and and variants of Android anyday. Having to be hardware agnostic inevitable leads to inefficiency in the use of the CPU.

05-10-2011, 15:10	#100
Staunchy Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,780	Quote: Originally Posted by Zack06 Considering the iPhone is manufactured by Foxconn who operate in China and Taiwan, and Samsung supply the majority of the parts who are based in Korea, I don't think so no. Where do the the camera gubbins, one of the major updates come from?