Lets not forget that Jem did say she thinks Aaron likes her, she never said Aaron's feelings weren't real.

Judging by today Faye hasn't given much credance to it!

You are right she doesnt seem to be swayed by it at the moment. I think Jem is a bit jealous of Faye.

I do think if Anton goes then Jay will revert to just being his normal self. He isnt intelligent enough to really play the game on his own. So maybe Anton would be a better bet to go.

She listens to her sister way to much.

As far as I'm concerned Anton has to go, and I'll certainly be voting for Jem.

If Jem goes then Anton will be left in to work against Aaron, and mess with Fayes head, with no balancing factor from Jem.

Jem may not fully trust Aaron, but she has her sister's interests at heart, and Aaron could easily persuade her that he is genuine, if he would just spend some time talking to her, rather than avoiding her, as he seems to do now.

I reluctantly agree, not liking Jem though.

However affronted people might feel at the moment, bear in mind that Jem is more likely to be acting out of genuine concern for her sister than the obsessional Anton will ever be.

What Jem said wasn't all that bad if you sit and think about it, she didn't say that he was pretending to like Faye, and went to great pains to reiterate that she believes he does like her, when it was Faye who immediately worried about that.

I don't think that poor little Anton's bombshell is going to have the seismic impact he thinks it will -

Faye has already heard it from her sister and seems at the moment to have largely dismissed any concerns. She's already cautious so absent some other 'evidence' I can't see her suddenly having a change of (importantly!) heart over Aaron.

Louise might give the idea some weight, since, lets be honest, she's not a great thinker, I doubt she's going to analyse it much.

Tom will probably want to believe it because he still feels a bit betrayed and hurt from earlier when he was 'crushing' on Aaron.

I suspect Alex and Harry will both probably regard it as faintly nonsensical since it won't chime with their experience, and will ascribe Jem's doubts to the short time she's been in the house with Aaron personally and sisterly concern for Faye.

And Aaron knows that Jem isn't his most enthusiastic supporter and knows well enough why that would be, so he isn't likely to really care.

Don't 'punish' Jem for having what are no more than doubts, and thus allow Anton to slip through the net. Without the egregious buggering about, he would be gone this weekend anyway - let's ensure that normality is restored!

Judging from the clip shown on BBOTS Jem voices her concerns to Aaron and he doesn't deny that he looks at situations, hopefully he assuaged her fears!

2355: Aaron has been discussing his short time in a glass box in the outside world with Faye. She's fascinated by his tales

Looks like they are showing no interest in What J&A have seen!

All is well

jem should but less credence in anything jay and anton have to say about aaron now that they've nominated her.

dumb move for them...

for Aaron and Fay to survive in there together Jem has to go...

.... but not yet.

Jay or Anton leaving this week is vital to Aaron and Faye BOTH staying in the house.

Jem can wait - she wont nominate Faye and although I said somewhere earlier that I thought she might vote for Aaron next week, I think she may well hold off unless they (Farron) fall out again as she wont want to hurt her sister by contributing to her losing him.

It's a gamble worth taking (atm) to get shot of the Puppypack once and for all.

We know for certain that if Jay and Anton stay they will Nom Faye and Aaron next week, who knows who else they could turn!

We don't know what Jem will do so that makes her the lesser of all evils, and I reckon as she had a chat with Aaron today he will hopefully have made her happier about the situation!

exactly.

....jem is a little bit of a risk, but anton is a guaranteed enemy....go with the best bet, and that's jem....

If Anton and Jay try to exploit Jem's "private" convo with Faye I can see Jem kicking off. It looks like she's already had a chat with Aaron about his "manipulating situations" and I doubt she's aware that Aaron and Faye have already discussed their initial attractions to Louise and Jay, which is probably something she saw Aaron talk about before she went in.

She's also someone else for the original HM's to nominate before they have to start nominating two "friends".

I can't believe Anton and Jay have actually been planning to lie to Faye and Jem about Aaron in a deliberate ploy to break up a budding relationship. Basically, just for fun

That's not just gameshow villainy that's despicable human behaviour. At least Jem is acting out of concern for her Sister.

Besides, if Jem goes, Faye will be upset and that will make Aaron upset and that's not going to do either of them any good.

I'm definitely voting for Jem and Harry this week.

My head is and now agree, I changed my mind several times but I now agree Anton is trouble with a capital T. and he has to go. I made a complaint about the manipulation of vote and if I was to go any other way than try and save Harry and Jem I may as well have not bothered.

We can save them folks - with all of us voting for Harry and Jem, the other 2 cant possibly compete. If we can get Farron to 1 & 2 against these 2, we can do the same again if we all pull together.

Lets send a positive message to our couple and keep their allies if we can.

I'm off to watch some baseball - World Series, woo hoo

Night all xx

Before I decide what to do re voting, I want to analyse the continuity of the Faye/Gem conversation.

Are we really sure that it happened yesterday? Or did BB save up that clip?

It's all very convenient. Get Gem up and show a clip of her putting doubt in Faye's mind and accusing Aaron of playing a game. That way Aaron fans won't vote to save her, ensuring that Anton survives.

Very suspicious. Even if it did happen yesterday, I wonder whether Gem was set up in some way to speak to Faye. I'm not a believer in the show being scripted. However, I'm sure it's easy to put doubts into HM's minds in the DR.

Could you really live with yourself to see Anton crowing with triumph watching Jem get evicted. Grinning to himself with glee as Faye sobs her heart out?

Not everything's about tactics. If Anton survives again it will be a disaster

If I was Anton, and wanted to undermine Aaron, all it would take would be a few casual conversations with some of the others along the lines of.

"He's a clever bloke, that Aaron. Me and Jay saw him talking to the viewers through the cameras; telling them who he was going to target next etc"

The other HMs have all see Aaron talking to himself in the garden, and talking to the cameras, so they might give Anton the benefit of the doubt.

As Thrombin pointed out elsewhere, he is unlikely to do that till after the eviction, because lying might turn voters against him. Also if Jem was still in, she could say that she hadn't seen that while she was a viewer, so he'd have to be more careful in what he said.

i think you're on to something.

bb called jem in to ask about aaron, planting a little seed of doubt. "oh, why are they asking me that? he must be doing something bad."

bb also called in aaron to ask about jem. so aaron has a little seed of doubt. "oh, she doesn't like me. she's in here talking out me."

so you have both aaron and jem being questioned about the other at the same time, creating even more insecurity...

and then you show related footage to the clowns in the crypt, so they can capitalize on it, creating even more doubt between all 3 of aaron, faye and jem.

this is all bb-manufactured drama.

and who benefits the most? anton and jay.

who is harmed the most? aaron and faye.

I take your point, particularly the bit in bold. That might be enough to persuade me to throw a few votes Jem's way.

I'm not totally sure though whether Jem staying is in Faye's best interests, let alone Aaron and Faye's best interests.

Theres an interesting dynamic between Jem and Faye - Faye has accused Jem of ruining her 'BB experience' on a couple of occasions. I think Jem probably realises that this is true to a certain and is perhaps trying to deflect some of her guilt onto Aaron.

If Jem doesn't go this week, I think that will continue to fester, although you could argue that it gives Aaron more time to allay her fears.

I'm absolutely certain that Jem will be up for eviction again next week if she stays, possibly against Faye. I think the floaters will target her (or both of them) because of the perceived unfair advantage they have as sisters.

Indeed, if you are hoping for Faye to win (as I know you are!), I think it's essential that Jem goes this week or next, because the public are going to start thinking the same thing. It has to look as though it's a fair fight, unlike wrestling.

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. You've saved me having to explain myself properly.

Have to agree with you but think we need to vote for both Harry AND Jem to stand any chance of Anton going. I've already given them 5 telephone votes each.

I'm really annoyed that BB has messed up nominations. I really think Jem or Harry will go unless everyone who's annoyed by BB interference votes to keep Harry and Jem in.

So pleased neither Jay nor Anton voted for Aaron or Faye.