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Does Len hate Aliona?
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ianswaiting
15-10-2011
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“That's it?

I thought she'd done something terrible ... I've been reading and contributing to these boards for some years now and I don't recall quite this level of vitriol levelled at anyone before (although it's come close; however, because it's been a gradual thing over the series, I've seen it develop). This, however, seemed to come out of nowhere from all quarters and seems to be more personal than any of the criticism I've seen directed toward others.

I wondered if she'd killed someone's pet or stolen their child or something!

Poor Lulu. Every time I've seen her on ITT (and in any interviews, which I have seen today in one Saturday magazine), she seems very humble and only wanting to do her best.

And ... I have to be honest. I don't remember seeing her on ANYTHING recently aside from SCD. So i don't know where this exposure thing has come from, either.

Still utterly confused!! However, it has made me want to support her, simply because I'm rather sad to see all the dislike that's being hurled toward her for seeimingly no reason!

And, to keep this*On topic* ....

I have to say, I found Aliona's apology to be ... a little bit of a 'non-apology', to be honest! She DID say she didn't pay the judge's comments any attention the other week (irrespective of whatever else she said). And Len's comments re Harry's shoulders etc were perfectly valid. Even I as an armchair SCD reviewer can now see the problems with posture and other things (especially after watching it for so many years! I saw Rory's problems in the first week and was rather pleased to have them verified by the judges afterward!).

it may be that Aliona is aware of the problems with posture etc and is working to counteract them (it wouldn't take long, for goodness sake, as Harry is a natural mover and could be stunning if he sorts out those minor issues); or it could be (as I got the impression from the original interview), that she is more focused on delivering the dance and not working on the basics.

I could be wrong, of course (I often am!), but that's what it said to me as a casual viewer (who actually LIKES Aliona!).”

You obviously don't remember what it was like when Kelly Brook was in it Things were so bad back then people were getting barred from the BBC messageboards.
attackmusic
16-10-2011
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“I suspect this one will rumble on for a while now ... ITT should know better and let sleeping dogs lie - unless Aliona's days are numbered and the producers are just giving her enough rope ...?”

I doubt it. This is the only incident involving her and the judges.

Brendan has had so many rows with the judges, got in trouble for putting lifts in and jeopardising his partners scores and NEVER got fired. They love controversy.
JVS
16-10-2011
Originally Posted by FelineFantastic:
“Are you kidding!

Whatever your personal opinions ...Len in particular has been one of the most respected judges for years.
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I think Len has age and assertiveness on his side, but the evidence points to him being petulent, antagonistic and inconsistent in his marking. He has his favourites where he is prepared to overlook shortcomings and dislikes where he marks far harder. His habit (usually) to only use marks between 5 and 10 favours the no-hopers and penalises the better dancers.

In any event, he may read the forums because he made no reference to his contempt for Aliona this week.
JVS
30-10-2011
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Looks like the vindictive Len has increased his resentment for Aliona by deducting 2 points for her choreography instead of his usual one.

Apparently he thinks Harry's dance was only worth 2 more points than Nancy's.

Starting his critique by saying, "Don't think I have a downer on you or Aliona" is fooling nobody.
Aleksis
12-11-2011
Bump.
olivej
12-11-2011
Originally Posted by Aleksis:
“Bump. ”

lol

yes, after tonights explosions from Len at Aliona for an AT that was oozing in passion it very clear that he does hate her!!
TabithaTwinkle
12-11-2011
ask a silly question.....
tenchgirl
12-11-2011
My fella said to me tonight why does Len Hate Aliona whats she done to him, he slags her off every week.
AntoniaA
12-11-2011
I am a Len fan and didn't like to think that he hated Aliona. After tonight I seriously think he doesn't care much for her. Hate is a bit too strong a word but his attitude towards her is noticeable.
Does anyone know why?
Aleksis
12-11-2011
Originally Posted by AntoniaA:
“I am a Len fan and didn't like to think that he hated Aliona. After tonight I seriously think he doesn't care much for her. Hate is a bit too strong a word but his attitude towards her is noticeable.
Does anyone know why?”

Some think it's because she made a flippant, jokey remark on ITT about not taking the judges' comments on board. Len brought this up on the second live show, saying he wasn't going to bother talking to Aliona because of it. He's pretty much ignored speaking to her ever since, even when he's had criticisms of the routine.

I think he's been unfair to her since the start. I remember him being unfairly harsh on her in the first series she appeared in (with Rav). On just her first or second dance on the show, he pointedly criticised her for something or other. I remember thinking it was out of order, and it wasn't like she could do any more with Rav (who had such big legs he needed special trousers) than she did.
strictlystylish
12-11-2011
I am not always a fan of Alionas choreo but she always seems such a pleasant easy going and kind of good natured in a casual way person that it seems strange how Len has taken against her
dogsdinner
12-11-2011
It doesn't seem to be just Len (who definitely appears to descriminate unfairly against them imo), there is also a lot of 'hate' against Aliona's personality on the boards - I really don't understand it. Particularly as it's unlikely any of us actually know her. Sure enough we may or may not like her choreography but so much of the criticism is personal. Some posters keep saying that she makes the dances 'all about her', that 'she's arrogant' etc. I really don't see this at all, Certainly no more than any other professional. She comes across as really sweet and with a good sense of humour. Maybe others know more than I do
JVS
13-11-2011
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Obviously Len is determined to look for any excuse to undermark Aliona and Harry. You have to worry about his competence when his fellow judges poured scorn on his remarks and expressed a completely contrary opinion. This appeared to leave him seething and sulking for ages afterwards.

Grow up, Len.
bbfivenever
13-11-2011
can't stand the way that Len looks incredulous when the crowd dare to boo his superior opinion.

and yet plays the goodie sneering at every constructive piece of criticism Craig gives.

It's clear Len has a problem with Aliona, who from what i have seen on the show seems a nice girl....
sonic157
13-11-2011
I never agree with Len's marking of the Argentine tango. To see more passion in Anita & Robin's dance than Harry & Aliona's was just plain ridiculous. And, yes, he's not keen on Aliona. I thought she danced superbly and got a great performance out of Harry,
bobble_hat
29-11-2011
I know no one else is probably interested and I feel very sad for trawling through youtube but I think I've found what annoyed Len. Remember in series 7, Aliona got absolutely slated by the judges for her choreography with Rav and then she responded on ITT and had a little bit of a rant for over a minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UggQm10Dcxw
About 1min20 in.

That's what did it I think!
Winter Is Comin
29-11-2011
Originally Posted by bobble_hat:
“I know no one else is probably interested and I feel very sad for trawling through youtube but I think I've found what annoyed Len. Remember in series 7, Aliona got absolutely slated by the judges for her choreography with Rav and then she responded on ITT and had a little bit of a rant for over a minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UggQm10Dcxw
About 1min20 in.

That's what did it I think!”

That link was Aliona & Matt, heres the one you're talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCN4t07NG84

Wouldn't call it a rant though, James has certainly said worse, even did so on Saturday. So has Brendan.

Len gave her and Harry a 10 this week though, he was looking a lot happier all show this week, did someone slip something in his cocoa.
bobble_hat
29-11-2011
Originally Posted by Winter Is Comin:
“That link was Aliona & Matt, heres the one you're talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCN4t07NG84

Wouldn't call it a rant though, James has certainly said worse, even did so on Saturday. So has Brendan.

Len gave her and Harry a 10 this week though, he was looking a lot happier all show this week, did someone slip something in his cocoa.”

Haha thanks clearly hadn't found it then!

And whoever did slip Len something... I'm very grateful to them!
He's so much better to watch when he's in a good mood
fatskia
30-11-2011
You could see that Rav decided to believe the judges and blamed the choreography, so Aliona was just pointing out the reasons why she didn't agree with 3 of the judges.

IMO, having experienced the problem of teaching someone who is going to side with the judges against the professional, Aliona is very clear now that the only way she and her celeb are going to succeed is if they are both on the same hymn sheet.

Fortunately Matt and Harry have seen the sense in that.
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