Having just watched Fridays EE (which was ab fab btw) I have decided to make this thread.

The scenes with the Watts were great, but they are SO messed up! One of them ALWAYS has a secret, one of them ALWAYS is drunk, one is ALWAYS crying and one of them is ALWAYS pissed off as hell.

Sharon was drunk, Chrissie turned into a strangely sinister psyco (the female den?), Sharon cried and Dennis was pissed off.

There are just SO MANY problems within the family! The Dad, den, dies, comes back from the dead, wife, chrissie, follows suit, den has an affair with a woman, kate, who his son, dennis, has slept with, his wife works with, daughter, Sharon, is good friends with and is the wife of his arch enemy, Phil Mitchell.

Adopted daughter Sharon sleeps with son, Dennis, on the night of fathers return from the dead. It blows up, then goes quiet again and now is back while father Den has buggered off. Son currently has a girlfriend only about 19, who supposedly loves him. Adopted daughter Sharon also has problems with trust issues and had massive arguements with den and dennis over stiching up man, Phil, she had an affair with whilst married to his brother.

Youngest daughter, Vicki, love child of father and adopted daughters' best friend Michelle, still in school now has a boyfriend only about 15 years younger than father who just happens to be her college lecturer. Should blow up a bit when den returns, just as 'denron' / 'shannis' will.

Soon enough ian, the son of dens old best mate with be revealed to be the fathers fourth child, after ians mother supposedly slept with den, best friend of her husband.

What else can they actually DO to this family? Bloody hell. But, to be fair, its pretty interesting

Wow that was long It just sort of displays the problems that I felt like writing

I love chrissie when she is mad!

I love Chrissie just for being Chrissie. God forbid it, she can act! Plus she is INTERESTING! I do think she should stay with Den though, because I LOVE the verbal battles.

I thought this went hand in hand with my thread, so this is Sharon's life as posted by willhung:

"She's been back for I'd say its nearly three years now. She returned to Walford in 2001 to take over the Vic, remember she reappeared behind the bar and Peggy was stunned "Wotchu doin behind there? Get auuuut of it!" And Sharon had that smirk on her face "Well hello Peggy, bet you thought you'd never see me again" lol That was a good comeback, but she's been through hell since she came back. She reunited with Phil, but that went to hell after she found out Lisa was lying to everyone about Louise's paternity. At the same Phil wanted a baby with Sharon but Sharon knew she couldn't have kids, after she'd aborted Grant's baby years ago, she told him and all hell broke loose. Phil got banged up and poison peggy moved in and made her life hell. Xmas Eve 2001 Sharon revealed that Phil was Louise's father and then legged it from Walford as all hell broke loose on Xmas Day.

She then returned in early 2002 to bury her mother Angie. Peggy made her presence felt at this an all and warned her to stay away from Phil. Sharon sold the Vic and met up with Tom who was the love of her life. That is until Sadie Tom's psycho ex wife showed up in Walford and tried to kill Sharon in her flat, but when she failed, Sadie tried jumping from the window. They eventually got rid of her and everything was rosy. Yes? No! Tom found out he had a brain tumour and rather than put Sharon through the hell of watching him die, he forced her to break up with him, leaving her devestated. Eventually she found out why and she loved him so much they got back together, awww.

Sharon and Tom then launched Angie's Den, they tried getting on with their lives, not thinking about Tom's terminal illness. That is until Halloween 2002, Trevor had kidnapped Little Mo from her engagement do at Angie's Den and after terrorising her, she stood up to him finally, however he lit a match and the house went ablaze. The word soon reached Angie's Den that the Slaters house was in flames, meanwhile the rest of the Slaters Kat, Mo and Charlie had found Donna lying unconcious in her living room, baby Sean had been taken by Trevor and was now also in the raging inferno back in Walford! Tom raced into the Slaters and rescued Little Mo and Sean. As the residents of the Square watched on in terror, the flames lit a petrol can and a fireball ripped through the house, killing both Trevor and Tom, a hysterical Sharon screamed her lovers name as she watched the house explode.

Sharon buried Tom and resigned herself to wear black from that day on to the forseeable future. Vicky Fowler arrived in Walford from America and moved in with Sharon. Sharon ran Angie's Den single handedly, all the while grieving for Tom. The following year, Vicky and Sharon tracked down Dirty Den's son, Dennis Jnr, he was banged up for GBH but eventually joined his sisters in Walford upon his release. Sharon, Vicky and Dennis became a family, even if Sharon did have a problem with Dennis at first.

August/September 2003, Dennis tells Sharon that Den is still alive! Sharon won't believe it and tells Dennis "He was my Dad and I loved him!" but he's dead! gone! forever. Dennis reveals that he went to Spain to find Den but didn't see him. Vicky gets wind of this and goes off to Spain to find her father. A week later and the affair to be later known as Shannis begins in the flat, after a furious row with Pauline in the Vic, and feeling depressed over Tom, worried sick over a missing Vicki, a showdown in the flat with Dennis ends up with them both in bed together for the first time.

Later that night.....a phone call....its Vicki! She's in the club? Dennis and Sharon race to the club where Vicki is standing there. then a figure emerges from the darkness "Ello Princess" Dirty Den is back. After a week of nonsense of why didn't you call mes and I hate yous, Den competes the Watts family and by some hell of a miracle Sharon finally has a family. And not just any family either. A family manages to run the the mighty Phil Mitchell out of Walford and return his daughter to Loopy Lisa, who flees Walford forever.

Early 2004 and Sam Mitchell is furious now that she knows Den put Phil away. When Den tries to buy the Vic from her she is seething and vows to crush the competition. Sam gets Billy to burn down Angie's Den. The same night Andy Hunter is found on the doorstep of the Queen Vic covered in blood. Later on he and Sam become an item, an just before Den is to return, Sam and Andy almost get the Vic, until Den comes back with the money for reopening the club.

Easter 2004, Sharon and Dennis are an item. Vicki is disturbed and their affair is about hte blown apart. Den Watts returns to find clothes littering the hallway, he confronts both Sharon and Dennis, ordering them both to break up. Eventually he gets his way when Dennis goes beserk in the Vic and Den makes it look like he attacked Sharon on purpose. This leads us to the present day, where Chrissie has joined the Watts, Den is missing again and Shannis is about to kick off all over again!

Just a brief history of Sharon's return lol"

lol And thats just since she came back! No wonder the poor love has issues, she's had such a rough time in Walford, a sane person would think why the **** am I here? this place is cursed lol

I have to agree with you chocopop, the Watts are the most screwed up family in Walford. Before that it was the Slaters, but the Watts as they stand are a boiling pot of secrets, lies and issues just waiting to explode......again lol

And the funny thing is that we know there is more! The boiling pot of secrets is never ending! I mean after Vicki and boyfriend, Shannis and Ian being Dens son storylines end, do you honestly think that will be the end of the Watts fireworks? I dont... The secrets shall go on forever lol

Did you do that all off the top of your head Chocopop??? I had forgotten half of that, you told it in great detail!!!! Pity they don't do degrees in this sort of thing!

I really think that if Ian is Den's son then the word realism no longer has any place next to the word Eastenders - so no i hope it doesn't happen.

The only problem i see with the watts is their strange behaviour of dating people either considered too old or too young for them - as far as exciting go - yes the original watts were - but in my opinion not any more - they are pretty bland.

Yeah I got it off the top of my head... Hehe.. I win award for best memory of watts history! yay!

I think though for me, I was too young to remember to really remember the Watts, the original Watts family, Den Sharon and Angie in the Vic. I remember it but like at the time I wouldn't have understood it enough to talk about it if ye know what I mean.

I think if they could just keep them in the bloody show for long enough ot sustain a good storyline, they would be brilliant, but Den is disappearing every five minutes, with the result that Chrissie usually has to go for a while, then that leaves Sharon and Dennis, and well the effect of Shannis is lot if theres nobody around to go omg! again!? lol I'd like see more of the Den we had in the double hander with Dot. That was good.

The Watts are an oddity in every sense of the word. There isn't a solid relation-connection between them. They're all half-this, adopted-that & step-the other. The problem is that the family has no real core. They are all attractive and sparky enough to produce the goods if well used, but there's nothing holding them together. They're never going to be able to deliver a line like "...being a Watts means something..." because it simply doesn't. Dennis & Vicky aren't even Watts by name.

There is a definite 'glue' between the Fowlers and the Mitchells, as well as the Slaters and possibly in the Millers, but the Watts are a bunch of disparate misfits all under the one roof. Perfectly combustible and suitable dramatic, but they lack depth, because at the end of the day: what is the consequence of any rift in the family? They're quite the non-family in the first place (unlike EE's other great non-family, the all-inclusive Jacksons, who were held together by the brilliant Carol), so 'breakfast-table-family' scenes don't wash and are as contrived as can be, and it never feels at all devastating when two family members fall out, because they probably don't like eachother in the first place.

Yeh I was just thinking that myself, how unstable they are as a family and how they could dissolve as fast as they came together, if not faster! IN a family where the father was dead for 14 years, and then suddenly came back, a brother whom they only found last year and who has since then slept with the adoptive sister Sharon, a sister who was in America for years, and now a mother figure who is the same age as the brother and adoptive sister, that with all the secrets and lies that are being kept hidden, Den's affairs, Shannis, not to mention what skeletons Chrissie might still be hiding.

I think the only solid relationship in this band of misfits would be Sharon and Vicki, but much of their relationship has been played offscreen over the years, so even on screen it still doesn't feel like they've been life long sisters, even though they supposedly have. The bloodtie may be the only thing that would keep Dennis and Vicki together, but as far as Dennis and Sharon go, its clear they can't survive just as brother and sister and its also clear they can't surely survive within the Watts stable as lovers, which means eventually the family unit Watts will combust and explode in spectacular fashion! lol.

I reckon before we're done, things will become even more twisted for the Watts.

I disagree. The ties are quite strong, no matter what they are called (ie - ADOPTED daughter, HALF brother etc)

Chrissie and Den are PROPER husband+wife
Dennis and Vicki ARE Den's PROPER children
Sharon is the odd one out. But she grew up with Den (well, until he buggered off)

I'm not making sense. Basically, no matter what the ties are labelled, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CRUNCH I feel they will all be there for each other. If anything happened to the kids, Den would be there in a flash. And no matter how much the kids dissaprove of Den, if anything happened to him they would be there ready to back him up.

The chemistry is great, but even though they dont show it, I feel that all the characters do love each other. One day that'll become more clear

But as will said, they would be EVEN BETTER if Den wasnt gone every 5 minutes. I think they work better TOGETHER.

I hope they get someone to replace Vicki, as she is needed to complete the Watts. And Chrissie/Sharon/Dennis/Den better not even THINK about leaving. LOL

Fridays episode made me laugh...even though it was pretty good.

Why did nobody point out to Vicky - who was getting stroppy because people didnt approve of her new fella - that when SHE decides she doesnt approve of people's relationships, they are forced to terminate them (ie Shannis), and therefore to shut her neck?

Why was Sharon rolling drunk, aggressive and feisty one minute and then five minutes later, totally sober, talking posh and apologising?

Why is Dennis trying to get back with her when it was HIM that didnt want it to continue and why has Sharon painted her face orange ? Is there a Holland match on???

I loved the bit though, when Vicky got into the car and Chrissie, after being sweetness & light to the lecturer, suddenly got all snarly and threatening when Vicky was out of earshot ..... totally unexpected and played perfectly by the actress that plays Chrissie ...

If The Watts have a problem with the age gap between Vicky and Tomm, then the whole lot of them are Hypocrites.

Im actually more p!ssed off that the producers have had the cheek to re-hash the old "Geoff the Lecturer romancing Michelle Fowler" storyline and all the hassle that caused with her family, and thinking we wont notice !!!!!!!!

The whole Shannis thing is so badly developed, it really could take any direction. I mean one day they could be back to mauling each other's faces off.. and the others may very well give it the thumbs up. Shannis has never made much sense. I mean even now, the way Dennis and Sharon even converse about everyday things is just plain ridiculous at times. One minute Dennis is vowing that if Sharon was still interested, he'd be back with her like a shot; she's backing away, he's disappointed.. and then bang! Next scene Dennis is all over Zoe, and Sharon and Dennis are chatting away normally. These people seem to have the memory span of a seriously thick goldfish.