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Old 12-10-2011, 11:05
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Glad it helped a bit anyway. It will get better.

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To be honest I'm just looking forward to seeing Marc in an interview..we hardly ever ever get him so my only preperation will be setting the recorder and looking forward to seeing him on my tellybox as himself rather than Syed. Particularly as he isn't mad about this kind of thing so I'm just really pleased he is on. (sorry)

I have to go though anyway so I couldn't have helped really!
Bye for now.x See you later.
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Hello Part 213 - and Congrats to Who me? on getting the OP! xxx

I just posted a massive ramble on the last thread but no one will read it now! Ha.

Cazzie - beautiful pic you made right at the end of the last thread. Thank you.
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Hello Part 213 - and Congrats to Who me? on getting the OP! xxx

I just posted a massive ramble on the last thread but no one will read it now! Ha.

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Starfish - not a ramble at ALL - fascinating, and how my mind's been working about Zainab.

I too see her as both cornered and unleashed - I hadn't got as far as seeing the guilt and manipulation as mirroring and foreshadowing Syed's interactions with Amira, but that is true, I think.

Interesting - as Yusef has pushed everyone away from Zainab - constantly using her own guilt about him and PRIDE as a way of manipulating her -

So Amira will try and manipulate Syed, using his guilt about her, and his UNCERTAINTY - about two men bringing up a child - in order to manipulate him.

This will isolate Syed from the source of safety - Christian. AS Zainab has been isolated from Masood.

Dear oh dear.

I'm very worried about the Pakistan thing - it seems unreal and fraught with danger or something.

I agree though that SOMETHING massive will happen, and the scales will fall off all their eyes, vis a vis Yusef.

Zainab will be finally humbled, and have to face up to her mistakes - and her pride which has had a large hand in getting her into this mess.

And Masood will be there. I cannot see them apart for ever.
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Morning everyone...morning Mrs P

Thanks cooko
Neither are nice but we have to remember that Syed lies because Christian tells him he is afraid he will lose him to Yasmin right at the start of this...then he feels guilt because he feels having stood by with Christian and denied himself access, he caved when Amira threatened to leave. Then he planned to tell Christian but for whatever reason, Roxy and Amy there, something else said to increase the guilt, so he can't bring himself to do it, as Marc said so as not to rub Christian's nose in it, out of trying not to hurt him. Wrong of course..

Christian issues the ultimatum also wrong of course but on the back of the lies...of Ben telling Roxy that they kissed and her telling him and finding out that Syed hadn't been to the solicitors all this time.So out of hurt and anger.

It is soapy drama and we'll need to focus on the end game sometimes. Plus for me anyway some of the emotional highs and lows during it. They'll all be brilliant.
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Bib: This!! What is the end goal to all this rotteness? Is it to big-up the CP next year and make it an epic event? Is it for the Masoods to come to accept Syed and Christian's relationhip, once they realise the manipulative role Yusef has played in their lives? And then there is the aftermath of all this. There will monumental pain on all sides: Zainab and Masood; Afia and Tam; Christian and Syed; Amira and Syed; Amira and Christian. And the fallout from what Yusef does may take sometime to come to terms with. So I don't think this is about Chryed per se, but about the Masoods and Chryed, and perhaps something more - which will probably be a far greater gift to them than they (Christan, Zaniab, Syed and Masood) ever imagined, believed or thought. But again this is EE, so who knows?

I remember BK saying in his TM interview that "[the] reconciliation will not be easy". And, boy, is there much to reconcile.

With Zainab and Masood, Christian and Syed, what needs to reconciled isn't just their relationships with one another but their characters as well. They have been utterly ruined by these turn of events. Yet 'ruined' not in the sense that we know it.

For instance, it is interesting that BK has chosen all through the year to focus on certain aspects we utterly dislike in the two characters we love (in most characters actually, but I ain't interested in the Moons): Syed's lies, deceit, need to keep the peace/please everyone, or his inability to make a decision and stick with it; Christian's selfishness and insecurities.

We understand where these characters flaws come from, and how and why Syed and Christian have them and act on them. Interestingly, they too are aware of it, and have either hinted at this or explicity said so many, many times (yesterday with Syed, Gay Bar argument, even BF). They unconsciously don't like their character flaws because it controls them, their actions and the quality of relationship with detrimental effects. Neither do we like these flaws too. And yet if these character flaws aren't met and dealt with head on, anyone can come in-between Syed and Christian and their relationship, and play them like puppets. Zainab did - she unwittingly plays on Christian's insecurities so Christian goes into 'selfish' mode. Roxy did - she plays on Syed's indecisive nature, and ergo Syed's goes into 'dishonest' mode.

If the CP is going to mean anything at all - whether that is for Syed and Christian, Masood and Zainab, us as viewers, even EE's desire for awards - all 4 characters (including ourselves) will have to reach rock bottom. Indeed, Syed/Christian, Zainab/Massood may have to be at the brink of losing what is most precious to them, precious enough for them to realise that deceit, lying, being insceure and reactive, pride, manipulation, not standing up for what you believe, and so on are all not worth the aggro. If a reconciliation is ever to happen, it has to be real and effective. Real because Masood and Zainab (and yes, even Christian and Syed) have been brought to a place where they know can't judge others because they too have done things that have hurt others. Effective because their realtionships need to move on from the Yusef fiasco. Everyone will have been duped by that guy. To be torn apart by that man's deeds and not do anything about it, not make some approach or amends, would efffectively mean that he has won.

Finally, it also interesting to see how Yusef gets to his victims. He gets to them via their character flaws, their weaknesses that controls them: Zainab's pride and overbearing nature; Christian's insecurities; Amira's need to loved and wanted; Syed's indecisiveness, Masood's perceived belief he lacks power and respect from his family, and so on. The list goes on ...

Yusef has already isolated Masood from the family; he does so by playing Masood's emaculated sense of self. And yet as head of the family, Masood is actually the most powerful and respected member of the family, though this is often not seen on screen. Why do I say this? Because of what I do see on screen. It is incredibly subtle. I see Masood's power and respect through Zainab's pain as Mas divorces her over the kitchen table; I see it when Syed spoke to Mas about the adoption, and Mas giving Syed pretty go advice about being up-front with things. And we will hopefully see this next week when Syed goes to Mas for help. Now w/o Mas, we can see Zainab was never the most powerful and respected member of the family, but the most controlling and overbearing of the two.

But to what end may all this nastinss lead? There is a process of elimination with Yusef wittingly or unwittingly playing with everyone's character weakness.

First there is Zainab. Zainab starts a relationship with Yusef, with Yusef playing with her vulnerablities - she has no pride left and no-one left in the family to be overbearing over (there's no Masood to nag at; Syed's stood his ground; Tam's married, he has Afia to contend with; adorable Kamil prefers his toys. Toys always wins, regardless). With a stroke of luck, needy Amira with Yasmin arrives and starts to emotionally manipulate Syed via Yasmin. And just like with the ABRC and Ben's interference, Syed's child is unplanned event that could scupper Yusef's plans. But these events play right into Yusef's hands, using them for his own advantage.

Christan unwittingly interferes with the paternity issues, with Yusef playing on Christian's insecurities once Christian finds out about Amira and Syed, which is only brought on by Amira's threats. And then there is Syed. Unlike Zainab and Christian, however, Syed's weakness is psychological. Much of Syed's problem often stems from his psychology, with what is going on inside his head with the questions such as: "what if I do this, will I lose Christian? What if I do that, will I lose my parents's love? If I don't that, will I ever see Yasmin again?, and so on. Syed's weaknesses kick in, and he starts on his path of dishonesty in order to see his daughter and be with Christian. So Yusef can get to Syed in the same way he gets to Christian and Zainab. This was evident yesterday with their MM scene. He has (may?) an inkling that Syed doesn't trust him. But like Zainab and Christian, Yusef (unwittingly?) hones in on Syed's weakeness: Syed's mind, his process of thinking. As for Amira, he doesn't know her, but in time he'll probably take advantage of her own weaknesses: revenge and need to be genuinely loved and cared for.

Losing their lives or at the crux of losing their lives will make people come to their senses, because once they are gone, they are gone. But will all be lost before any of them come to their senses?

It is an absolutely rotten ride EE have put us on, one that I hope I can personally get to grip with, or else I will be flying in air helpless, ready for that 'splat' on the ground...

ETA: Nearly lost this post Hey, congrats whome? OP, yay!

ETA 2: Morning to everyone logged on! Don't know if you've read cooko's spoilers? Hugs to those feeling meh, , , or even :yawn: about them.

ETA 3: OK, that was a bit of broadsheet newspaper to read. Sorry. But hey, at least it's free!!
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Congrats on new part, and well done on OP who me? Thanks mods!

Just tried to post this in old part, luckily I saved it!

((((hugs)))) to starfish, Rhumba, MrsP and anyone else feeling a bit fragile today

Yes it would be lovely to have a proper Marc and Johnny one on tv. We have so many fab ones of them at awards it's easy to forget we haven't had an actual joint one as such.

Leaving that aside though we hardly see Marc on tv so I am really pleased he's on Lorraine (who must be better than Eamonn) and since Marc gets mega nervous at these things I'd like to wish him good luck. x

People were playing youtube cheer me ups the other day including Mads brilliant one..this is an Ellitridge one that always works for me.

Till we do get one.
Aaaw, great vid, they are so relaxed and giggly together. Shame we haven't had a joint interview, maybe it's because Johnny has been busy lately with his wedding and outside work commitments and appearances. Or maybe they are saving Johnny/Marc interviews for later on in the story when it climaxes () Yes, good luck to Marc, interviews must be a strange experience for someone not completely comfortable in the limelight and doesn't really like talking/drawing attention to themselves (unless drunk)



This!!! An ultimatum makes no sense because neither decision would result in happiness! Christian would surely know that if Syed chose him that Syed would end up resenting him and miss his daughter and their relationship would fail or never be the same again anyway. And if he Syed chose Yasmin he would lose him sooner. Making him choose makes literally no sense! I can only see it happening if it's a frustrated, heat of the moment thing which Chrisian then says back and says he's just so frustrated and worried and then they talk about how they can make things work. Or, even better, like you say, it doesn't come across how it does in spoilers and Christian doesn't literally tell him to choose...because I would hate that
I can just about live with the other spoilers we've been getting, because I can see all the mixed emotions that must be going on. Syed's lying is more extreme and goes on longer than I'd like, but I can empathise with why he's doing it and see it's in character, he's not just thinking of himself, but also trying to avoid hurting Christian and damaging his relationship, however misguided and deluded Similar with Christian and the DNA test, he's being manipulated by Yusef, and if he really doubts Syed is Yasmin's father, then part of him is doing it because he loves Syed and wants him to know the truth before he gets too attached. Of course there is some selfishness in there, he would probably prefer it if Syed wasn't Yasmin's father, and also in Syed lying there is some selfishness at wanting to avoid confrontation and 'trouble', but that is not all, they are thinking of each other too. But if this ultimatum from Christian, if that's what it is, plays out exactly as it sounds 'me or Yasmin', then I can feel no empathy because it is entirely selfish, he wouldn't be thinking of Syed at all, or even more importantly Yasmin, and I don't believe that Christian would do this, even feeling devastated and incredibly hurt by Syed, I'm sure he would have enough sense to see the futility of it. Sorry, I'm rambling again

Just had a thought. When does the DNA test happen in relation to Christian's 'ultimatum'? Does he doubt Yasmin's parentage before or after? I'm getting so confused, info overload
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Absolutely agree.

And this will lead to the end game.
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Can I ask can we get through part 213 pretty quick don't need any unlucky numbers for us for the next few weeks please x
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Aaaw, great vid, they are so relaxed and giggly together. Shame we haven't had a joint interview, maybe it's because Johnny has been busy lately with his wedding and outside work commitments and appearances. Or maybe they are saving Johnny/Marc interviews for later on in the story when it climaxes () Yes, good luck to Marc, interviews must be a strange experience for someone not completely comfortable in the limelight and doesn't really like talking/drawing attention to themselves (unless drunk)




I can just about live with the other spoilers we've been getting, because I can see all the mixed emotions that must be going on. Syed's lying is more extreme and goes on longer than I'd like, but I can empathise with why he's doing it and see it's in character, he's not just thinking of himself, but also trying to avoid hurting Christian and damaging his relationship, however misguided and deluded Similar with Christian and the DNA test, he's being manipulated by Yusef, and if he really doubts Syed is Yasmin's father, then part of him is doing it because he loves Syed and wants him to know the truth before he gets too attached. Of course there is some selfishness in there, he would probably prefer it if Syed wasn't Yasmin's father, and also in Syed lying there is some selfishness at wanting to avoid confrontation and 'trouble', but that is not all, they are thinking of each other too. But if this ultimatum from Christian, if that's what it is, plays out exactly as it sounds 'me or Yasmin', then I can feel no empathy because it is entirely selfish, he wouldn't be thinking of Syed at all, or even more importantly Yasmin, and I don't believe that Christian would do this, even feeling devastated and incredibly hurt by Syed, I'm sure he would have enough sense to see the futility of it. Sorry, I'm rambling again

Just had a thought. When does the DNA test happen in relation to Christian's 'ultimatum'? Does he doubt Yasmin's parentage before or after? I'm getting so confused, info overload
DNA is after , 'ultimatum' is 25th and Yusef says about the parentage the 27th , with 'christian taking matters into his own hands' the 28th
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