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The big question is whether they'll press the panic button and try and regain viewers through twists (like Big Brother did in 2008 to disastrous effect in the end) or whether they'll let this year slide and accept the inevitable before building for next year.
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Part of me wonders whether the show would've done better had Goldie taken part.
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I was about to say is a show's success dependent on one character, of course we all know 2009 says Yes for both The X Factor and Britain's Got Talent.
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The big question is whether they'll press the panic button and try and regain viewers through twists (like Big Brother did in 2008 to disastrous effect in the end) or whether they'll let this year slide and accept the inevitable before building for next year.
Unsurprisingly the press are pushing the Cheryl Cole agenda at every opportunity (the latest rubbish being Simon is letting Louis Walsh decide the new panel and he'll dump Tulisa for Cheryl) - but all viewers polls suggested most people were happy to see the back of Cheryl. As we've all said it comes down to talent - and as well as the below par group this year I wonder if the relative lack of success of most previous winners means people just aren't buying into it anymore. |
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The big question is whether they'll press the panic button and try and regain viewers through twists (like Big Brother did in 2008 to disastrous effect in the end) or whether they'll let this year slide and accept the inevitable before building for next year.
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I think they need to just accept it now and not do anything stupid. It's much better to ride it out for the rest of the series, accepting these declines and making changes next year rather than doing stupid twists for a short term ratings fix but could end up having a damaging effect in the long term.
Saying that, I'm not sure whether adding an additional celebrity guest judge (as long as it's a star name) every week would be disastrous for the show. Especially if they end up making the decision instead of the mentors. |
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You don't think they've already pushed the panic button? Have you been following some of the stuff they've been doing over the past few weeks?
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I agree - they just need to look how Big Brother 7 and the subsequent celebrity series damaged the franchise almost beyond repair thanks to the twists and changes to the format.
Saying that, I'm not sure whether adding an additional celebrity guest judge (as long as it's a star name) every week would be disastrous for the show. Especially if they end up making the decision instead of the mentors. Ultimately what they really need next week is for at least one of the contestants to break away from the pack with a standout performance that grabs people's attention for the right reasons. That means not the production values and the backing dancers but the actual musical content. They need to get people talking about someone on this show in a positive and excited light. |
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At least next year's series will have a nice low benchmark to compare it with. I imagine some will tend to insist that comparisons are made with 2010 though!
It's also funny how there are no complaints that this thread is being taken over by X Factor talk this year, unlike previous years, I wonder why! |
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It has been coming for the past few weeks - both shows might be down but X Factor is now down by an unacceptable amount. Advertisers before the show said they expected 10% - they might still end up with that but only because it started so well. Next week will likely be down again but tonights results rating could be interesting. X Factor may well still come out on top this series, but it should definitely be more of a contest this time than it has been for the past few years and Strictly will get a few more wins along the way. Reminds me a bit of American Idol 2010 - guest judges went down OK, Ellen was initially well received and ratings were level for the first time in years. Then on the live shows it collapsed, down 20% by episodes towards the end of the series. Indeed, some weeks it lost out to Dancing With The Stars (in total viewers) for the first time.
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They need to make changes in various areas. I still think that last auditions show was atrocious. That should be a point to build anticipation for the bootcamp phase, which still needs to be sorted. I'd consider splitting bootcamp again, focussing on smaller numbers with the judges and bringing in those guest judges for longer (back in series 1-3, judges helpers were there from bootcamp through judges houses).
The final auditions show was really poor for some reason, and I do think that ending with Ceri left a bad taste that may have started this year's decline. I don't think they need to change the auditions though, they're the one part of this series that worked. Splitting bootcamp could work and I agree about the guest judges, but the problem is would they get big names to commit to it? Judges houses is OK as it is but they need better guests next year and need to get rid of Sinitta. I do like the idea of battles like on The Voice though.As for the live shows, the twist has ended up being a disaster and left another bad taste in people's mouths. It definitely shouldn't be repeated and they should just start with 12 in the live shows. This year's contestants are OK but they aren't interesting enough, so they need to do better there next year. The panel will definitely change. I'm certain that Kelly won't be back next year and Louis definitely will. As for Tulisa and Gary, I suspect they'll keep one of them just to save face, but they won't keep both. I guess which one they keep depends on who else they can get. Cowell won't come back but they could do with someone a bit more fun than Gary. I remember Michael Buble's name was mentioned when the judges were unknown earlier in the year. He's another 'friend of the show' and a 'friend of ITV' too so he might do it. Obviously they'd want to get Cheryl back but whether she'd do it or not is another matter. Nicole went down well over here last year so they could swap her to the UK version, and Alexandra wasn't bad last night so they could consider her. They've got a few options at least. |
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I don't really know what a guest judge would add to the show at this point. It would just feel as if they're auditioning potential replacement judges for next year (which ultimately they probably would be) and I don't think that would help hook viewers in.
Ultimately what they really need next week is for at least one of the contestants to break away from the pack with a standout performance that grabs people's attention for the right reasons. That means not the production values and the backing dancers but the actual musical content. They need to get people talking about someone on this show in a positive and excited light. Though there does need to be a 'water cooler' moment of some sort of a good kind. |
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This is standard X Factor rubbish that they produce every year. By panic button I mean suddenly switching the panel around; having a 'bring back' week where those eliminated at judges houses/week 1 get a second chance to enter the competition or a replacement week where those eliminated are replaced by earlier entrants; switching the acts mentors around to create controversy (imagine if Tulisa or Louis ended up mentoring Misha); sacking the producer an making it public etc. Something massive that hugely effects the dynamics of the show.
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At least next year's series will have a nice low benchmark to compare it with. I imagine some will tend to insist that comparisons are made with 2010 though!
It's also funny how there are no complaints that this thread is being taken over by X Factor talk this year, unlike previous years, I wonder why! |
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They just axed a member of a group and brought in a replacement from a previously eliminated group. A move made even more ridiculous by the fact the group itself was thrown together at the last minute during the judges houses stage. Then on top of that they let Kelly go MIA for a week after pushing the 'feud' between her and Tulisa and dropped a random replacement into the mix. I'm half expecting to tune in next week and see that Olly Murs has replaced Gary Barlow for no particular reason.
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Saying that, I fully expect the 2012 audition shows to be down on 2011 unless they manage to get a massive name on the panel.
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People will be interested to see the new panel, this year's tabloid ratings stories will be forgotten, plus there is the excitement of 'decent telly' starting again after a summer of nodoubt dross that always boosts the likes of TXF.
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I know the performance shows are down, but how are the results shows doing? I thought it got around 11m last week?
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I think it's more than talent that's the issue - as has already been said 2009 was worse than this talent wise and I don't think 2010 was brilliant either.
Though there does need to be a 'water cooler' moment of some sort of a good kind. Like I said I think next week the best thing that can happen is that someone, anyone will just hit it out of the park and have a genuine big 'I've arrived' moment that won't feel like it was manufactured by the staging and production. |
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I honestly think both of those were not twists instigated by the producers but natural changes - Ashley wanted to quit, and I think Kelly really is ill though they've taken advantage of her absence. I think they are planning to change the panel next year so it makes sense to audition judges while the show is flailing.
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People will be interested to see the new panel, this year's tabloid ratings stories will be forgotten, plus there is the excitement of 'decent telly' starting again after a summer of nodoubt dross that always boosts the likes of TXF.
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I would agree that as a whole group this years contestants are probably superior to what we've seen over the past two years but what this series lacks (which '09 and '10 didn't) is one or two stand out acts that are really driving the show forward. If you look back at last year you had Matt Cardle, Cher Lloyd and One Direction. Maybe not the most talented acts in the world but the audience was massively excited about them and they drove the show forward as a result. '09 had Joe, Olly and Jedward driving the show forward and getting people talking. This year they're lacking acts that really stand out from the pack which is odd because on paper people should probably be more excited about Misha and Kitty but for whatever reason they just aren't.
Like I said I think next week the best thing that can happen is that someone, anyone will just hit it out of the park and have a genuine big 'I've arrived' moment that won't feel like it was manufactured by the staging and production. The problem is, the acts that should be driving it forward are not working - Kitty is love to hate but is so good people can't hate her because she's one of the only entertaining one's there. Johnny is a joke act but is too strong a performer to be labelled that. Misha never really connected with the audience, even before the bullying accusation. TBH their biggest mistake for me was getting rid of Amelia. Her performance of E.T. proved that she was capable of a lot. |
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I think they might just be looking forward to getting to the end of this series They did have a shot at whipping up some controversy last week. But this week was pretty tame. We've long since established that nobody cares about Kelly Rowland whether she's there or not. And I'd be amazed if even 10% of the audience could have told you before last night who Ashford and Ashley were (I'm still not sure which one left and which one joined).
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I think its time ITV/Syco stopped presenting the show as being "in crisis" now its in a real crisis, it needs to show strength.
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I think its time ITV/Syco stopped presenting the show as being "in crisis" now its in a real crisis, it needs to show strength.
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This is standard X Factor rubbish that they produce every year. By panic button I mean suddenly switching the panel around; having a 'bring back' week where those eliminated at judges houses/week 1 get a second chance to enter the competition or a replacement week where those eliminated are replaced by earlier entrants; switching the acts mentors around to create controversy (imagine if Tulisa or Louis ended up mentoring Misha); sacking the producer an making it public etc. Something massive that hugely effects the dynamics of the show.
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As for the live shows, the twist has ended up being a disaster and left another bad taste in people's mouths. It definitely shouldn't be repeated and they should just start with 12 in the live shows. This year's contestants are OK but they aren't interesting enough, so they need to do better there next year.
The panel will definitely change. I'm certain that Kelly won't be back next year and Louis definitely will. As for Tulisa and Gary, I suspect they'll keep one of them just to save face, but they won't keep both. I guess which one they keep depends on who else they can get. Cowell won't come back but they could do with someone a bit more fun than Gary. I remember Michael Buble's name was mentioned when the judges were unknown earlier in the year. He's another 'friend of the show' and a 'friend of ITV' too so he might do it. Obviously they'd want to get Cheryl back but whether she'd do it or not is another matter. Nicole went down well over here last year so they could swap her to the UK version, and Alexandra wasn't bad last night so they could consider her. They've got a few options at least. As for the live show opening twist - yes, it shouldn't be repeated but I think the main reason it failed this year was a combination of the lack of strength in depth and it being the debut for three of the judges. I also think the way it was structured didn't help - perhaps having the judges ditch an act each but then have one of the rejects voted back in by the public - to be mentored by the judge who axed them - would have worked better. I agree though with the concensus here - just get through the rest of this series and then concentrate on what is needed next year to win back the viewers. |
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Or maybe someone in the sing off tonight - Ruth Lorenzo's Purple Rain gave 2008 a massive lift in terms of being a 'water cooler' moment.
The problem is, the acts that should be driving it forward are not working - Kitty is love to hate but is so good people can't hate her because she's one of the only entertaining one's there. Johnny is a joke act but is too strong a performer to be labelled that. Misha never really connected with the audience, even before the bullying accusation. TBH their biggest mistake for me was getting rid of Amelia. Her performance of E.T. proved that she was capable of a lot. Watching the recap of last nights show I think their best hope might be with Marcus this year. He seems to be the only standout act they have who is in anyway likeable. |
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