The Ratings Thread (Part 26)

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Dancc

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by davey_wavey:
“The X Factor bunch are really talented this year... I'd argue that they are the best bunch since the 2008 series. The problem is none of them are big characters. They are talented and can perform but there are no big characters or personalities. No one is standing out - they are all really good and that's about it.

In 2008, they were all really talented but you had the personalities to go with it. You had Daniel and his personal story, you had the marmite character in Diana, we had the shock of Laura leaving early, Ruth had a journey. She started off as an underdog and was in the background but then broke through as a serious contender to win. Rachel was opinionated and feisty, the Owen boy was likeable and cute to all the mums and teenage girls... in other series, we've had Jedward and Wagner, the big characters, the cheeky chappie Olly Murs and Stacey Solomon who is a funny, larger than life character. Last year, we had similar marmite characters in Cher Lloyd and Katie Waissel. This year, we don't have any of those kind of characters and I think that's why the ratings aren't as big as past years. The contestants just aren't connecting with the public in a big way, despite them all being likeable and talented.”

I've read reports to the contrary though regarding the talent on offer this year, indeed it's one of the reasons cited in the BBC's comprehensive review of why The X Factor could be "losing its sparkle." Not opportunistic at all!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15520622

AlexiR

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“That's true. For me, ITV1's scheduling is damaging the show more than anything - the 8.30-10 slot was perfect for it as it allowed it to miss EastEnders and get a jump on the 9pm slot instead of starting halfway through it.

Saying that, I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one hour long EastEnders against the next Britain's Got Talent final week (I'd guess at the Thursday) as the BBC are being more aggressive with their scheduling.”

And so they should be. I know not everyone is but I'm liking the more aggressive BBC scheduling. If nothing else it makes this thread more interesting.

grahamzxy

31-10-2011

Quote:
“Rumour that the clocks going back has somehow hit the release of last night's TV overnights. Surely some mistake?”

Rumour on Twitter - as clocks went back at 2.00am to 1:00am, barb measure until 2:00am, potentially Sunday ratings are for 25 hours or Saturday's were and Sunday 23 hours - maybe the computer said no...

Quote:
“ dsrealitybites - Reality Bites
Overnight ratings delayed until tomorrow. The X Factor vultures will have to wait another night.”

Fudd

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“I've read reports to the contrary though regarding the talent on offer this year, indeed it's one of the reasons cited in the BBC's comprehensive review of why The X Factor could be "losing its sparkle." Not opportunistic at all!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15520622”

As I said - reviewing the level of talent is subjective.

I notice the BBC fails to note that Strictly is also down this year.

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“And so they should be. I know not everyone is but I'm liking the more aggressive BBC scheduling. If nothing else it makes this thread more interesting.”

Re. a war zone.

AlexiR

31-10-2011

War zones can be fun!

Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“Rumour on Twitter - as clocks went back at 2.00am to 1:00am, barb measure until 2:00am, potentially Sunday ratings are for 25 hours or Saturday's were and Sunday 23 hours - maybe the computer said no...”

Surely they can't possibly be caught off guard by the yearly event of the clocks going back...

Andy23

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“As I said - reviewing the level of talent is subjective.

I notice the BBC fails to note that Strictly is also down this year.

Re. a war zone. ”

When did the BBC reporting become no better than a tabloid newspaper. They also think that SCD/TXF isn't just worthy of a story in 'entertainment' but also one of the main stories in 'UK News'

allthingsuk

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“I Think BGT Will be up next year by about 5% if it's in the right timeslot, better talent and the judges are right.”

It needs to find a winner that isn't a singer or dancer, that is critical.

allthingsuk

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“War zones can be fun!

Surely they can't possibly be caught off guard by the yearly event of the clocks going back...”

Were the overnights this late this time last year?

Dancc

31-10-2011

Monday night ratings will be buried in amongst the reaction to the latest chapter in the Strictly/TXF saga then.

Data delays really do harm the flow of this thread and we'll see this tomorrow. Can't be helped I suppose but disappointing all the same.

D.M.N.

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Monday night ratings will be buried in amongst the reaction to the latest chapter in the Strictly/TXF saga then.

Data delays really do harm the flow of this thread and we'll see this tomorrow. Can't be helped I suppose but disappointing all the same.”

Looking at tonight's schedule, I don't forsee any surprising ratings to be honest, apart from your usual minor fluctuations in the 9pm hour - Doc Martin should increase with it being the last in the series.

Fudd

31-10-2011

The strange thing is Sunday and Monday can probably be reviewed now: The X Factor improves on Saturday; Strictly takes a very slight dip; Big Brother recovers back to the 1m+ mark; Junior Apprentice holds up well against Doc Martin which records a very strong figure and the soaps do very well.

allthingsuk

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Looking at tonight's schedule, I don't forsee any surprising ratings to be honest, apart from your usual minor fluctuations in the 9pm hour - Doc Martin should increase with it being the last in the series.”

Could EastEnders be lower than usual due to Halloween, perhaps a chunk of the young audience are out, plus the fact that the end of October/start of November is unusually warm (in the south at least)? Maybe EastEnders could be down to maybe borderline 7/8 million.

Andy23

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Monday night ratings will be buried in amongst the reaction to the latest chapter in the Strictly/TXF saga then.”

Indeed, there are various side stories that will get overlooked, will Downton increase now it isn't against Spooks?, how will BBC1 hold up?. Tonight will the soaps increase now we are back on GMT? Will The Apprentice hold up or decline?

Not to mention the ratings for all the other channels.

allthingsuk

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Indeed, there are various side stories that will get overlooked, will Downton increase now it isn't against Spooks?, how will BBC1 hold up?. Tonight will the soaps increase now we are back on GMT? Will The Apprentice hold up or decline?

Not to mention the ratings for all the other channels.”

Could we conceivably see Downton Abbey edging towards 11.5/12 million in the officials now that it's not up against Spooks?

grahamzxy

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Surely they can't possibly be caught off guard by the yearly event of the clocks going back...”

Originally Posted by allthingsuk:
“Were the overnights this late this time last year?”

All ratings were posted by 1pm for the same Sunday last year.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...halloween.html

Quote:
“ ***** Sunday October 31 2010 *****
BBC1
18:30- Countryfile Autumn Special 8.05m (34.8%)
19:30- Strictly Come Dancing Results 10.12m (38.8%)
20:00- Antiques Roadshow 5.89m (20.5%)

ITV1
19:00- The Cube 5.34m (21.8%)
20:00- The X Factor 13.85m (48.3%)
21:00- Downton Abbey 9.02m (32.9%)”

Who said Sunday night schedules are repetitive?

Last edited by grahamzxy : 31-10-2011 at 19:13

GBali

31-10-2011

Merlin seems to gain momentum. I'm almost sure 1.44m is the best timeshift in the history of the show, while 5.9m is the best overnight rating of Series 4 so far.

If anyone's interested, I have created a simple diagram to compare all the official ratings of Merlin.
As you can see, Series 3 had an amazing run last year, and I think Series 4 has a good chance to top that.

davey_wavey

31-10-2011

Thanks for the link. I'd agree that there's no standout performer this year. Like in the third series, Leona Lewis was seen as the big standout performer and provided the 'wow' factor. This year, I'd say they are all really good but no one is providing that wow factor.

But as has been mentioned, judging the talent is all subjective.

Pizzatheaction

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“At least they are still commissioning new programmes for the 10:15pm Sunday slot, unlike certain other channels.”

No shortage of cash, then?

dave01

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Have some US numbers for Sunday to tide you over...

US Ratings Sunday October 30

Over on Fox the latest instalment of The Simpsons Treehouse of Horror pulled in a 4.0 but that didn't help Allan Gregory it looks to be another swing and a miss for Animation Domination. Family Guy was down 9% from its last original.

Fox
7PM: The Cleveland Show[r] – 1.9 [4.84]
7:30PM: The Simpsons[r] – 2.5 [5.41]
8PM: The Simpsons – 4.0 [8.01]
8:30PM: Allen Gregory – 2.4 [4.74]
9PM: Family Guy – 3.2 [5.97]
9:30PM: The Cleveland Show – 2.3 [4.63]

NBC
7PM: Football Night in America – 3.4 [9.09]
8PM: Football Night in America – 5.9 [15.14]
8:30PM: Sunday Night Football – 8.5 [21.98]
9PM: Sunday Night Football – 8.5 [21.26]
10PM: Sunday Night Football – 7.6 [18.16]”

The Simpsons did really well for its Halloween episode at 8pm; they are always highly anticipated by the fans, so it would have seen a boost due to this. It skews really young too, as 8 million viewers equaled a 4.0 rating. When you look at Family Guy pulling in a 3.2 at 9pm, it makes me wonder Fox really should find a way of keeping The Simpsons running. Just looking at the NBC football ratings though, they didn't really peak until after The Simpsons had finished so Family Guy would have been hit more in that respect.

I think a schedule of The Simpsons at 8pm, followed by The Flintstones at 8:30pm could be a really strong line-up. I suppose they will have that for one year anyway in the 2012/2013 season.

Which show typically has the higher season average, The Simpsons or Family Guy?
[EDIT - pretty sure it would be Family Guy but interested to know the gap]

D.M.N.

31-10-2011

Chris Moyles
I'm doing a new tv dating show ... Wanna be a contestant on it? email for more info, subject 'Love Machine' applications@princesstv.com
8 minutes ago

I imagine this is Channel 4 or Sky, I doubt it is ITV1.

sn_22

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The strange thing is Sunday and Monday can probably be reviewed now: The X Factor improves on Saturday; Strictly takes a very slight dip; Big Brother recovers back to the 1m+ mark; Junior Apprentice holds up well against Doc Martin which records a very strong figure and the soaps do very well.”

You're probably spot on.

I remember years ago on this thread, we used to go through days with no data quite regularly - not necessarily because of BARB but just because sites didn't update and no-one had access to the raw data. IIRC, there used to be one day a week when we very rarely got anything through at all - think it was a weekend because we got more in autumn when the XF/Strictly wars heated up again. We're quite spoilt now, really!

Mind you, back then, we didn't burn through almost 20 pages over the course of a weekend, either.

Fudd

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Chris Moyles
I'm doing a new tv dating show ... Wanna be a contestant on it? email for more info, subject 'Love Machine' applications@princesstv.com
8 minutes ago

I imagine this is Channel 4 or Sky, I doubt it is ITV1.”

Channel 5? Though this would've been something they could've aired with a Big Brother lead in.

Pizzatheaction

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Saying that, I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one hour long EastEnders against the next Britain's Got Talent final week (I'd guess at the Thursday) as the BBC are being more aggressive with their scheduling.”

There was an hour-long EastEnders on the Monday in 2010, but there wasn't one in the same week this year.

Fudd

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by sn_22:
“You're probably spot on.

I remember years ago on this thread, we used to go through days with no data quite regularly - not necessarily because of BARB but just because sites didn't update and no-one had access to the raw data. IIRC, there used to be one day a week when we very rarely got anything through at all - think it was a weekend because we got more in autumn when the XF/Strictly wars heated up again. We're quite spoilt now, really!

Mind you, back then, we didn't burn through almost 20 pages over the course of a weekend, either. ”

Wasn't it Saturday nights? We had to wait until Monday for Saturday and Sunday's figures.

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“There was an hour-long EastEnders on the Monday in 2010, but there wasn't one in the same week this year.”

I think it'll return in 2012 - especially if BGT airs in Jubilee week.

Pizzatheaction

31-10-2011

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“When did the BBC reporting become no better than a tabloid newspaper. They also think that SCD/TXF isn't just worthy of a story in 'entertainment' but also one of the main stories in 'UK News'”

You didn't seem to mind when the BBC website did stories about big ratings for ITV shows such as X Factor and Talent.

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