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The Ratings Thread (Part 26)
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Fudd
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It's clearly a typo, don't fret!”

The start time is a typo, but I don't think the end time is as Merlin's time agrees with it (assuming they're both referring to the same night).
Samthefootball
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“The start time is a typo, but I don't think the end time is as Merlin's time agrees with it (assuming they're both referring to the same night).”

Well i thought the 7.55-8.20 was the sunday show but you could be right that it's the saturday show. I think X Factor is due to start 8.15 on the saturday is that correct because of the football match on before it.
grahamzxy
01-11-2011
Saturday 12 November - Digiguide

BBC1
6:55 Strictly Come Dancing
8:20 Merlin
9:05 National Lottery
9:15 Festival of Remembrance

ITV1
8:15 The X Factor

Just a 5 minute clash

Sunday 13 November - Digiguide

BBC1
6:25 Countryfile
7:25 Strictly Come Dancing
8:00 Antiques Roadshow
9:00 Garrow's Law

ITV1
7:00 The Cube
8:00 The X Factor
9:00 I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here

No doubt IACGMOOH will beat GL almost 2:1 in the overnights - but we all know what the better programme is.
Fudd
01-11-2011
digiguide have for 12th November:

BBC One
5.55 Tonight's The Night
6.55 Strictly Come Dancing
8.20 Merlin
9.05 National Lottery Draws
9.15 Festival of Remembrance

ITV1
4.45 Football: England v Spain
7.15 New You've Been Framed
7.45 Harry Hill's TV Burp
8.15 The X Factor
9.45 Piers Morgan's Life Stories
AlexiR
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“As incompetent as ever..”

I'd like to pretend that this is a new level of incompetence but I'd just be lying to myself!

Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Clearly FOX has no faith in either Allen Gregory or Napoleon Dynamite if they're ordering more episodes of Bob's Burgers. Think it would be easier for 2012-2013 just to keep the Animation block intact and maybe have Bob's Burgers at 7.30pm at midseason until The Flintstones debuts. FOX haven't had a hit animated show that isn't from Seth MacFarlane. I wonder if maybe they should consider an animated action drama which I don't think has been attempted outside of Cartoon Network.”

In truth Seth MacFarlane's hit rate hasn't been particularly good. Family Guy (eventually) exploded but American Dad and Cleveland haven't. I think at this stage Fox isn't really sure what they're doing with Animation Domination because try as they might they cannot launch a new hit there. I think if The Flintstones doesn't breakout it might be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak and they'll dramatically rethink Sunday nights. Although having said that Animation Domination is generally a profitable block because it attracts young men and they do well in late night syndication in particular. Its a tricky beast but with The Simpsons seemingly ready to wrap and Family Guy fading they need a new hit to power that block sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Well the makers certainly have the option - I'm sure the BBC wouldn't end it. I was only saying because the received wisdom is they're operating to a 5 year plan. That said, the glory of a prequel means as long as they can keep the core actors in place they can go on and on, really.”

That its a prequel is why I was never entirely sure why it would have to end after the five year plan. And frankly so many shows go on beyond their supposed five year plans that I'm not sure that matters anymore either. If the main cast are willing to stick around then I can't see any reason why they'd end it after five years. Creatively there's enough material to mine for a few more years yet.

Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Merlin, Doctor Who and Strictly on the same schedule is certainly mighty strong - but it would rather expose the paucity of Saturday nights for the rest of the year! I'm surprised the BBC haven't launched another Saturday family drama, to be honest. I know they're expensive to get off the ground - but the omens are pretty good. Since 2005, Doctor Who became the flagship drama to define the channel, Merlin is an international hit looking stronger than ever in a fourth series, and even the weakest of the trio, Robin Hood, managed two strong series before a weaker third saw it canned. That's a pretty good hit rate, in any book.”

I think the fact that Saturday night is basically a wasteland outside of Strictly makes it a little tricky to launch a new Saturday night family drama. Lets face it Doctor Who really only worked because it was a known brand. If they'd tried launching something new I suspect it wouldn't have gone anywhere near as well, And indeed Robin Hood and Merlin both used the Strictly lead-in to launch. If The Voice takes off then they obviously have more options open to them in the future but I think they'd probably have to move Merlin (and now Doctor Who) away from Strictly to launch a new family drama now.

I continue to feel its a shame that the Kudos Pirate drama never made it out of development. Doctor Who, Merlin and Pirates sounds like a pretty brilliant family drama slate to me. Or I suppose they could get on the fairy tale theme that's hitting the US networks and try some kind of 'modern fairy tales' drama on Saturday nights. Or dinosaurs... although I suppose Primeval took that one off the table.
grahamzxy
01-11-2011
The England match will be past final whistle before SCD starts, so ought not dent the ratings.
AlexiR
01-11-2011
In a you couldn't make it up moment NBC has just announced a new show entitled Who's Still Standing? I assume ITV are desperately pursuing the rights for Tuesday night.

Actually it doesn't sound like a terrible format. Its based on the Israeli game show Still Standing and has apparently been quite successful in various countries

At the start of the trivia competition, there is one main competitor and 10 challengers. The main competitor chooses one of the 10 challengers to go head-to-head with in a trivia battle for a high-stakes pot that can lead them to a $1 million dollar jackpot. If one of the two players answers a question incorrectly they are dropped through a trap door and are out of the competition. The trivia battles continue until one player is left standing. Ultimately, if the main contestant prevails against the other 10 challengers, he or she can win up to $1 million.

NBC are going to strip it across the week of Monday December 19 and it'll then air Monday nights through to January 30.
Andy Parish
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“The England match will be past final whistle before SCD starts, so ought not dent the ratings.”

A rare piece of scheduling brilliance from the Beeb. Starting SCD just as ITV enter twenty minutes of Townsend/Southgate post-match shenanigans is win win.
grahamzxy
01-11-2011
The excellent George Harrison 'Film' by Scorsese may get crunched in the BBC1/ITV1 Battle on 13th November @ 9:00pm on BBC2 (and hopefully BBC2 HD.)

Quote:
“Arena - George Harrison: Living in the Material World -Scorsese traces Harrison’s life from his early beginnings in Liverpool to becoming a world-famous musician, philanthropist and filmmaker, weaving together interviews with George and his closest friends, photographs and archive footage including early live performances – much of it previously unseen. The result is a rare glimpse into the mind and soul of one of the most talented artists of his generation and a profoundly intimate and affecting documentary. Part one looks at George’s early years in The Beatles - from their first gigs in Hamburg and the beginning of Beatlemania through to his psychedelic phase, religion and Indian music. Racing legend Jackie Stewart tells of George’s love of motor racing, Monty Python’s Eric Idle recounts how George saved the Life of Brian from catastrophe by re-mortgaging his mansion to help finance it and we hear from Travelling Wilbury bandmates including Tom Petty. Harrison’s widow Olivia gives a poignant account of her life with the Beatle, including the harrowing tale of when a violent intruder attacked them at home one evening in 1999.”

Well done to BBC2 for getting it on the air so quickly, looks like it will be shown as one programme if digiguide is correct.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/pro...&channel=&day=
Jonwo
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“In truth Seth MacFarlane's hit rate hasn't been particularly good. Family Guy (eventually) exploded but American Dad and Cleveland haven't. I think at this stage Fox isn't really sure what they're doing with Animation Domination because try as they might they cannot launch a new hit there. I think if The Flintstones doesn't breakout it might be the straw that breaks the camels back so to speak and they'll dramatically rethink Sunday nights. Although having said that Animation Domination is generally a profitable block because it attracts young men and they do well in late night syndication in particular. Its a tricky beast but with The Simpsons seemingly ready to wrap and Family Guy fading they need a new hit to power that block sooner rather than later.

I continue to feel its a shame that the Kudos Pirate drama never made it out of development. Doctor Who, Merlin and Pirates sounds like a pretty brilliant family drama slate to me. Or I suppose they could get on the fairy tale theme that's hitting the US networks and try some kind of 'modern fairy tales' drama on Saturday nights. Or dinosaurs... although I suppose Primeval took that one off the table.”

The Adult Swim ratings are impressive considering that they quite late and I think were key to the revival of Family Guy and Futurama along with DVD sales. Animation domination has only been around for a few years as FOX used to air The X Files and Malcolm in the Middle on Sundays. The Flintstones need to be a hit but it should draw in an audience but I think it's not going to be as adult compared to The Simpsons and Family Guy.

The Pirates drama does have potential although I imagine it would be expensive due to water although they could easily fake it with greenscreen, CGI or making it more land based. Had it not been for Sherlock and Sherlock Holmes the film, I would have thought Sherlock Holmes had potential as a family drama.

ITV1 should consider either a live action/CGI or fully CGI Thunderbirds although they screwed up the CGI Captain Scarlet by airing it on Saturday morning so I don't think Gerry Anderson will want them touching Thunderbirds. The Avengers is another one which ITV1 has considered reviving but they don't own the rights to it.
grimshaw
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“The Pirates drama does have potential although I imagine it would be expensive due to water although they could easily fake it with greenscreen, CGI or making it more land based. Had it not been for Sherlock and Sherlock Holmes the film, I would have thought Sherlock Holmes had potential as a family drama.”

Sherlock was originally conceived to be a 'later' Saturday night family drama.
Quickly over ruled mind and reworked.

The pirates drama could actually work very well - it'd likely have a pirate 'base' though.
Am still hoping for a future based series mind. Or a modern one.
iaindb
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“The England match will be past final whistle before SCD starts, so ought not dent the ratings.”

Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“A rare piece of scheduling brilliance from the Beeb. Starting SCD just as ITV enter twenty minutes of Townsend/Southgate post-match shenanigans is win win.”

It's a 5.15pm kick-off. Two halves of 45 minutes and a 15 minute half-time break means the match should finish at 7pm. But it won't. There's always several minutes of stoppage times. And some of these games don't start on time. I'll wager ITV will be scheming for a 5.18pm kick -off.

The game won't finish until 7.05pm or maybe even 7.10pm. So an overlap with the start of Strictly likely to damage Strictly's ratings.
ftv
01-11-2011
I doubt a friendly match with little significance except putting more money into the FA's bank account is going to damage Strictly very much. I'll settle for the two minutes of ''highlights'' on BBC News.
derek500
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I think the fact that Saturday night is basically a wasteland outside of Strictly makes it a little tricky to launch a new Saturday night family drama.”

What would be the cost difference of commissioning a new drama for Saturday nights or acquiring a ready made show like Grimm or Once Upon a Time from the US?
ftv
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by derek500:
“What would be the cost difference of commissioning a new drama for Saturday nights or acquiring a ready made show like Grimm or Once Upon a Time from the US?”

Producing a home-made drama would almost always be more expensive than buying-in from the US.
derek500
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Producing a home-made drama would almost always be more expensive than buying-in from the US.”

Perhaps with DQF it's an option? I remember when the Saturday BBC1 schedule almost invariably had a US show.

Whether it was the tea time Dukes of Hazzard or the detective shows like Cagney & Lacey, Kojak or Miami Vice, there was usually something from the US.

If Terra Nova can get up near 2m on Sky, imagine what it would get on BBC One.
KennyT
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by ftv:
“Producing a home-made drama would almost always be more expensive than buying-in from the US.”

Up front, yes. Down the line, if it's good enough, resale value could make that equation a bit more balanced.

K
Dancc
01-11-2011
Seven
18:00 Seven News: 1.17m
18:30 Today Tonight: 1.10m
19:00 Home & Away: 977k
19:30 The X Factor: 1.21m
*ratings are trending downwards as live shows continue.
20:30 Body of Proof: 935k

Nine
18:00 Nine News: 1.08m
18:30 A Current Affair: 847k
19:00 The Celebrity Apprentice: 963k
19:30 The Celebrity Apprentice: Challenge: 1.23m
20:00 The Big Bang Theory: 1.40m
20:30 The Mentalist: 1.08m
21:30 CSI: Miami: 673k

Ten
18:30 New Series: The Project: 571k
*rebranded from The 7pm Project to hour-long format.

ABC1
19:00 ABC News: 911k
19:30 7.30: 777k
20:00 Australian Story: 851k
20:30 Four Corners: 812k

In primetime Ten was below 650k all evening. It once again finished bottom of the shares:

Nine: 24.1%
Seven: 21.8%
ABC1: 15.3%
Ten: 11.6%
ftv
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Perhaps with DQF it's an option? I remember when the Saturday BBC1 schedule almost invariably had a US show.

Whether it was the tea time Dukes of Hazzard or the detective shows like Cagney & Lacey, Kojak or Miami Vice, there was usually something from the US.

If Terra Nova can get up near 2m on Sky, imagine what it would get on BBC One.”

Radio Times for Saturday 21 December 1975 shows Kojak at 21.30 on BBC1. The following day Alias Smith and Jones (a Western) at 16.20 (and a heavy reliance on US films that week but perhaps because it was leading up to Christmas)

Grand Prix
The Graduate
National Velvet
Ice Station Zebra
True Grit
Bridge on the River Kwai
The Magnificent Seven
El Cid

...were all shown in that week on BBC1
garyessex
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Seven
18:00 Seven News: 1.17m
18:30 Today Tonight: 1.10m
19:00 Home & Away: 977k
19:30 The X Factor: 1.21m
*ratings are trending downwards as live shows continue.
20:30 Body of Proof: 935k

Nine
18:00 Nine News: 1.08m
18:30 A Current Affair: 847k
19:00 The Celebrity Apprentice: 963k
19:30 The Celebrity Apprentice: Challenge: 1.23m
20:00 The Big Bang Theory: 1.40m
20:30 The Mentalist: 1.08m
21:30 CSI: Miami: 673k

Ten
18:30 New Series: The Project: 571k
*rebranded from The 7pm Project to hour-long format.

ABC1
19:00 ABC News: 911k
19:30 7.30: 777k
20:00 Australian Story: 851k
20:30 Four Corners: 812k

In primetime Ten was below 650k all evening. It once again finished bottom of the shares:

Nine: 24.1%
Seven: 21.8%
ABC1: 15.3%
Ten: 11.6%”

How's Neighbours been doing. The usual Oz website seems to have stopped doing ratings?
Dancc
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by garyessex:
“How's Neighbours been doing. The usual Oz website seems to have stopped doing ratings?”

302k yesterday, most watched digital show as usual.

OzTam have cracked down on the publication of data so various sites have stopped publishing the numbers altogether for the time being whilst they are approved.

You can see the top 20 which I think will become the norm now on this website here:

http://www.throng.com.au/ratings

But already we're seeing how restrictive top 20s can be when yesterday's contained no shows from Channel Ten whatsoever. Shows how bad their current ratings crisis is when Junior MasterChef can't make that list.
all_night
01-11-2011
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“302k yesterday, most watched digital show as usual.

OzTam have cracked down on the publication of data so various sites have stopped publishing the numbers altogether for the time being whilst they are approved.

You can see the top 20 which I think will become the norm now on this website here:

http://www.throng.com.au/ratings

But already we're seeing how restrictive top 20s can be when yesterday's contained no shows from Channel Ten whatsoever. Shows how bad their current ratings crisis is when Junior MasterChef can't make that list.”

Ooh, imagine if they did that here. We'd be waiting days at the weekend if DS forget to report.
Dancc
01-11-2011
I'd be furious if they tried anything like that over here. We get very little data anyway beyond primetime for the main 5. Although, to their credit, DS are very good at providing numbers we wouldn't otherwise get such as soaps and multichannel.

P.S. Still no "overnight" data for Sunday and Monday- sorry!
Charnham
01-11-2011
more about TEN

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2011/11/...on-monday.html

and yeah this crack down on ratings down under would annoy me, if it was repeated over here.
paltonz
01-11-2011
I also get Oz ratings from TV Central website (http://www.tvcentral.com.au/), when I want demo ratings also. TV Tonight just summarizes the primetime ratings now. Junior Masterchef can only muster 599,000 viewers now. Could this affect Masterchef next year?
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