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In shares? yes
in viewers? no plus strictly's result has sort of leaked onto the internet I think or does that happen every week. |
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If it hasn't clashed it would have got around 10.9 again, which is similar to 2009 also
what was the peak anyway?
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The X Factor rated low compared its own standard for the last couple of years, though it's in line with the trends previously experienced. What I mean is that in the last two years, the second performance show has rated -5% vs. week one: the same thing happened last night. And the previous 6 episodes have been down an average of -11%/-15% (inc/exc +1) year-on-year: the same thing happened last night. It just seems like for various reasons, after such an excellent auditions stage ratings-wise, the momentum didn't pick up at bootcamp and that's carried onto the live stages. Considering it's been rating at -11%/-15% y-o-y consistently for the last 7 episodes in a row, I think that's going to be the level it sticks at for the remainder of the series (apart from the odd bump here and there). So I think we can almost certainly rule out 14m+ results averages (apart from the final) if/when that pattern continues and the final itself, I suspect, will be down close to a 15m average rather than c17m which it had last year.
There's not as much buzz around the show as there was the last couple of years. This year, the 'controversial acts' aren't as controversial as previous years, the 'joke act' isn't as funny as previous years, and the 'quality acts' aren't as talented as in previous years. The judges are okay but the panel misses the spark that last year's panel had - although maybe with time, that'll come. So it just seems like a below-par version this year. Doing a few calculations, if the -10%/-15% declines do continue for the rest of the series, the official series average, bearing in mind it's timeshifting slightly more this year, will be about -8% vs last year and slightly up from 2009 (inc +1) or slightly down (exc +1). So it could still end up as the 2nd most watched series, but that'll mainly be due to a very strong rated auditions stage rather than the live shows which have disappointed thus far. Strictly Come Dancing did well last night. The BBC have been clever with their scheduling of SCD- it started 25 minutes later than the equivalent episode last year, so although its share was lower than every Saturday episode last year, its year-on-year decline was minimal (only -0.2m). I suspect, as with last week though, the results show will be slightly up vs. 2010 due to weak competition so all in all, SCD is in a very good and steady place this series. Also Merlin's doing better than last year, as is Casualty which was well scheduled directly after Merlin. The same thing's happening next week too and for the rest of Autumn, I'd imagine, so we'll probably continue to see Casualty rating in the mid 4's rather than 3's/low 4's where it was last Autumn. TV Burp should've done better last night given the slightly later slot than last week and Jonathan Ross back down to the mid 3's figures which isn't good considering the lead-in. |
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The SCD results show is recorded at around 10pm on Saturday night for transmission on Sunday. By around 10.45pm, a mole has leaked the name of the dancer going home to DigitalSpy's SCD spoiler thread (so thanks to t'internet, those who want to know who lost can easily find out by the time they go to bed on Saturday).
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That's the danger of a recorded results show, but this happens every year and people still watch the results show.
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The X Factor rated low compared its own standard for the last couple of years, though it's in line with the trends previously experienced. What I mean is that in the last two years, the second performance show has rated -5% vs. week one: the same thing happened last night. And the previous 6 episodes have been down an average of -11%/-15% (inc/exc +1) year-on-year: the same thing happened last night. It just seems like for various reasons, after such an excellent auditions stage ratings-wise, the momentum didn't pick up at bootcamp and that's carried onto the live stages. Considering it's been rating at -11%/-15% y-o-y consistently for the last 7 episodes in a row, I think that's going to be the level it sticks at for the remainder of the series (apart from the odd bump here and there). So I think we can almost certainly rule out 14m+ results averages (apart from the final) if/when that pattern continues and the final itself, I suspect, will be down close to a 15m average rather than c17m which it had last year.
There's not as much buzz around the show as there was the last couple of years. This year, the 'controversial acts' aren't as controversial as previous years, the 'joke act' isn't as funny as previous years, and the 'quality acts' aren't as talented as in previous years. The judges are okay but the panel misses the spark that last year's panel had - although maybe with time, that'll come. So it just seems like a below-par version this year. Doing a few calculations, if the -10%/-15% declines do continue for the rest of the series, the official series average will be about -8% vs last year and slightly up from 2009 (inc +1) or slightly down (exc +1). So it could still end up as the 2nd most watched series, but that'll mainly be due to a very strong rated auditions stage rather than the live shows which have disappointed thus far. Strictly Come Dancing did well last night. The BBC have been clever with their scheduling of SCD- it started 25 minutes later than the equivalent episode last year, so its share was lower than every Saturday episode last year, its year-on-year decline was minimal (only -0.2m). I suspect, as with last week though, the results show will be slightly up vs. 2010 due to weak competition so all in all, SCD is in a very good and steady place this series. Also Merlin's doing better than last year, as is Casualty which was well scheduled directly after Merlin. The same thing's happening next week too and for the rest of Autumn, I'd imagine. TV Burp should've done better last night given the slightly later slot than last week and Jonathan Ross back down to the mid 3's figures which isn't good considering the lead-in. |
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SCD doing very well last night.
X Factor's figure seems low for some reason. They should be getting 11m at least from all the promotion it has been getting. I think the shorter clash next week will give it a higher figure. I expect tonight's first public vote to make 12million. SCD could make 10million. |
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What did Strictly get Last year for the final Is there a chance it could be X Factor's final. I agree with you we won't see any 14m results show until the final maybe 13m for the semis though.
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The X Factor rated low compared its own standard for the last couple of years, though it's in line with the trends previously experienced. What I mean is that in the last two years, the second performance show has rated -5% vs. week one: the same thing happened last night. And the previous 6 episodes have been down an average of -11%/-15% (inc/exc +1) year-on-year: the same thing happened last night. It just seems like for various reasons, after such an excellent auditions stage ratings-wise, the momentum didn't pick up at bootcamp and that's carried onto the live stages. Considering it's been rating at -11%/-15% y-o-y consistently for the last 7 episodes in a row, I think that's going to be the level it sticks at for the remainder of the series (apart from the odd bump here and there). So I think we can almost certainly rule out 14m+ results averages (apart from the final) if/when that pattern continues and the final itself, I suspect, will be down close to a 15m average rather than c17m which it had last year.
There's not as much buzz around the show as there was the last couple of years. This year, the 'controversial acts' aren't as controversial as previous years, the 'joke act' isn't as funny as previous years, and the 'quality acts' aren't as talented as in previous years. The judges are okay but the panel misses the spark that last year's panel had - although maybe with time, that'll come. So it just seems like a below-par version this year. Doing a few calculations, if the -10%/-15% declines do continue for the rest of the series, the official series average will be about -8% vs last year and slightly up from 2009 (inc +1) or slightly down (exc +1). So it could still end up as the 2nd most watched series, but that'll mainly be due to a very strong rated auditions stage rather than the live shows which have disappointed thus far. Strictly Come Dancing did well last night. The BBC have been clever with their scheduling of SCD- it started 25 minutes later than the equivalent episode last year, so although its share was lower than every Saturday episode last year, its year-on-year decline was minimal (only -0.2m). I suspect, as with last week though, the results show will be slightly up vs. 2010 due to weak competition so all in all, SCD is in a very good and steady place this series. Also Merlin's doing better than last year, as is Casualty which was well scheduled directly after Merlin. The same thing's happening next week too and for the rest of Autumn, I'd imagine. TV Burp should've done better last night given the slightly later slot than last week and Jonathan Ross back down to the mid 3's figures which isn't good considering the lead-in. If it is Big Band last night I think it may do quite a bit better. tonight I reckon it will do well. |
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Not the best for TXF it has to be said. I predicted last week I can see it going sub 10m without +1 and someone on here said that will never happen. Well, here we are a week later, and look whats happened, 9.81m. It did record a stronger +1 rating this week and with that included it averaged 10.26m. The 2010 series had 11.5m (although that overnight rating was always in doubt as at the time it said only 0.3m watched in HD) and the 2009 series had 10.9m. Compared to 2-years ago its a drop of 0.6m. ITV need to move it away from SCD because its damaging the start of show massively. I've always said even matching the 2009 figures was going to be hard as it really did record some excellent ratings. This series started so well too so its hard to know where things have gone wrong. As for the talent issue, I'd say its no better or worse than previous years.
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I disagree with some of your points,wait until tonights results show but I think ratings will pick up when the act number has reduced and the shows are shorter, they also need more interesting song choices and themes.
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plus strictly's result has sort of leaked onto the internet I think or does that happen every week.
Except for 2009 when they did a combined performance and results show live. |
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Ratings will certainly pick up over the next couple of months- they always do, as the episodes get shorter, the SCD clashes get shorter, more people watch TV in November and viewers become more invested in the acts. And as you say, the ratings for the results show will naturally be higher than the performance shows. My point though is that it seems like all of this will happen at a -10%/-15% level lower than last year.
Maybe Steps,Take That, Britney etc. loads of people watched for the Take that reunion |
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Ratings will certainly pick up over the next couple of months- they always do, as the episodes get shorter, the SCD clashes get shorter, more people watch TV in November and viewers become more invested in the acts. And as you say, the ratings for the results show will naturally be higher than the performance shows. My point though is that it seems like all of this will happen at a -10%/-15% level lower than last year.
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X-Factor is low, only just above 10 million if you include +1, is the show really starting to fail?
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Oh yes i completely agree, But if they manage to secure huge acts for the sunday shows again i think 14m + is possible.
Maybe Steps,Take That, Britney etc. loads of people watched for the Take that reunion ![]() Steps are not going to increase X-Factors ratings to 14 million. More to the point Steps have sold their souls for the Murdoch Dollar, they are lucky to get coverage on TV Burp last night, the other channels wont bother with them. This Steps revival will flop. |
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I agree. To be honest the lower ratings X Factor is getting this year might not be a bad thing. I don't think it was ever going to be higher then last year but there is a chance for X Factor to maybe grow again next year
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Not going to happen, I can't see it growing again next year.
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The EX Factor!
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Not going to happen, I can't see it growing again next year.
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Year after year we've said 'no way The X Factor will grow again next year! This is it at its peak!'... but it kept growing, year after year, with no sign of tumbling... well, it seems this is it. It has finally reached its peak.
It is doing solidly, no doubt about that. And I don't think the decline can be blamed on Strictly - I mean, didn't it used to beat it when they went head to head? Sure, the clash doesn't help - but the fact that Strictly is doing a lot better during the clash says more about The X Factor than Strictly. Strictly isn't doing brilliant - The X Factor is just doing poor compared to what it's used to. The shaking up of the judges, not many acts to root for, lengthy shows... and just a feeling of the show being past its prime is all taking its toll. I don't suspect we'll be seeing series 7 figures this year, or even those of series 6. I think the final will rate slightly above series 5's. Of course, the show is still a huge success... only when you compare it to itself can you say it's doing 'awful'. So, yep... it would appear TXF has peaked. I'd suggest they stop padding the shows out and cut down the air time by about 30 minutes - that'll improve the average, no doubt about it. THEN maybe when they've got some of the viewers back they can think about padding the shows out again... but right now they should be doing everything they can to bring back the casual viewers. If you're not very interested in it this year, you're not gonna want to sit through 2.5 hours of it... |
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That's an impressive victory for Strictly in the head to head, t w @tting TXF by 2.4m viewers in the first 15 mins - and that takes account of.folk watching TXF before 2am, so SCD must have been even further ahead on live viewing. Brilliant stuff.
No wonder ITV bosses have had to "panic-move" TXF to safety! Well done to Merlin and Casualty. The Beeb have got this right - Strictly not too early, beating the start of TXF, Merlin and Casualty complementing each other and the lotto at the margins. Stick with this, and have a stronger autumn than previously, capitalising on TXF's decline. |
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Year after year we've said 'no way The X Factor will grow again next year! This is it at its peak!'... but it kept growing, year after year, with no sign of tumbling... well, it seems this is it. It has finally reached its peak.
It is doing solidly, no doubt about that. And I don't think the decline can be blamed on Strictly - I mean, didn't it used to beat it when they went head to head? Sure, the clash doesn't help - but the fact that Strictly is doing a lot better during the clash says more about The X Factor than Strictly. Strictly isn't doing brilliant - The X Factor is just doing poor compared to what it's used to. The shaking up of the judges, not many acts to root for, lengthy shows... and just a feeling of the show being past its prime is all taking its toll. I don't suspect we'll be seeing series 7 figures this year, or even those of series 6. I think the final will rate slightly above series 5's. Of course, the show is still a huge success... only when you compare it to itself can you say it's doing 'awful'. So, yep... it would appear TXF has peaked. I'd suggest they stop padding the shows out and cut down the air time by about 30 minutes - that'll improve the average, no doubt about it. THEN maybe when they've got some of the viewers back they can think about padding the shows out again... but right now they should be doing everything they can to bring back the casual viewers. If you're not very interested in it this year, you're not gonna want to sit through 2.5 hours of it... |
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Well done to Merlin and Casualty. The Beeb have got this right - Strictly not too early, beating the start of TXF, Merlin and Casualty complementing each other and the lotto at the margins. Stick with this, and have a stronger autumn than previously, capitalising on TXF's decline.
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The X Factor lost in its H2H against Strictly last year when they had a brief overlap for 15 minutes on the 2nd live show
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