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There has been quite a few shows on ITV, that have returned to much lower numbers on ITV in their second series. 71 Degrees North, That Sunday Night Show & Popstar to Operastar.
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Homeland is very good. However like just about everything on Channel 4 these days it'll have to be a self starter and exist by itself in the schedule. There just seems to be no rhyme or reason to 4's schedule these days with only a handful of shows seeming to support or compliment one another.
Their best bet might be to put it Sunday at 10 and try and line up some film premieres to lead into it. Or at least one premiere to lead into episode 1. However it does not strike me as a mainstream hit and I hope C4 have realistic expectations for it. Also think that out of the terrestrials Channel 5 would probably do a much better job marketing it and making it a focal point of their schedule. Still guess we will have to wait and see how C4 treat it and whether viewers will give it a chance or see it as yet another 24/Spooks style show (despite the fact it feels much fresher than previous 'terror/intelligence' related programmes). |
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I've been mystified by 71DN'S loss of a third of its audience since Series One, but - having made an effort to watch it tonight - I'm no longer puzzled. This once-decent little programme is now crap.
Who the hell thought it was a good idea to make Paddy McGuinness the host? He's like a moden-day Jim Bowen. And the "celebs"? Dear God. It comes to something when the only person I recognise is Rav Wilding. (At least, I think it was him) |
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E4 seems to be building up its own "Animation Domination"
The Cleveland Show, Bobs Burgers, Napoleon Dynamite & Allen Gregory. All FOX animation, add Family Guy to that line up, and E4 basically becomes Fox, I assume there is a reason why The Simpsons is never on E4, and so cant join "E4s Animation Domination" line up. That said if I recall correctly Bobs Burgers was lucky to get a 2nd series, whilst both Napoleon Dynamite & Allen Gregory.are new shows, and may not survive, so E4 should not be surprised if one of the 3 is axed. |
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BBC One were basically on a hiding for nothing last night but at least recorded respectable figures with nothing falling below the 3.4m mark. EastEnders was damaged slightly by The Betty Driver Story but bounced back with the BBC Three repeat.
It Takes Two is really taking off now with another good rating at 6.30pm. University Challenge also did excellently and I wish they would think about moving Only Connect from BBC Four to tie up with it as I think it'd do well. The night petered out slightly after University Challenge had finished. ITV1 will be pleased to see those figures after what was apparently a poor weekend for them! Doc Martin is a steller performer at 9pm and Coronation Street and Emmerdale both recorded good figures while The Betty Driver did well. That's the first time in a while, IIRC, that News at Ten has hit 3m. The kings of the overkill have to be Channel 4. Embarrassing Bodies isn't doing as well as it could be, possibly because people know that the next series is only a couple of months away!! Rude Tube did well again at 10pm, and they'll be pleased to get over 1m in the 8pm considering the opposition. And maybe it was that opposition that hurt The Gadget Show; I think it'll bounce back above 1m next week. The Hotel Inspector didn't really improve and Big Brother remains steady in the 10pm slot but, as others say, it'll be interesting to see how the twist impacts on tonight's figures. |
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I've been mystified by 71DN'S loss of a third of its audience since Series One, but - having made an effort to watch it tonight - I'm no longer puzzled. This once-decent little programme is now crap.
Who the hell thought it was a good idea to make Paddy McGuinness the host? He's like a moden-day Jim Bowen. And the "celebs"? Dear God. It comes to something when the only person I recognise is Rav Wilding. (At least, I think it was him) It's a good little show IMO, but suffers from the limitations of it's location - most things this year we saw last year. It's also more challenge based than personality based, which to a fan of reality TV "formats" like myself is brilliant, but to a wider audience, especially an ITV audience, probably doesn't do itself any favours. |
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I've been mystified by 71DN'S loss of a third of its audience since Series One, but - having made an effort to watch it tonight - I'm no longer puzzled. This once-decent little programme is now crap.
Who the hell thought it was a good idea to make Paddy McGuinness the host? He's like a moden-day Jim Bowen. And the "celebs"? Dear God. It comes to something when the only person I recognise is Rav Wilding. (At least, I think it was him) Should IAC start to tank, then ITV should drop this whole genre of shows. If they want reality hits, the new way is graft a reality element onto an entertainment show involving the general public or go back to shows like Rich Girl Poor Girl, which were quite entertaining. |
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This really should be the death knell for this sort of show on ITV1, barring IAC. Hell's Kitchen went due to falling ratings and useless celebs, Marco was a flop and Popstar to Operastar struggled to get more than 3 million viewers. These sort of let's send some celebs on a free jolly reality show, or see how they can cook or sing, really belong on teatime Channel 4 now. While 1.5 million people will willingly tune in to see Abi Titmuss burn her dinner on Channel 4, this stuff no longer works on ITV1.
Should IAC start to tank, then ITV should drop this whole genre of shows. If they want reality hits, the new way is graft a reality element onto an entertainment show involving the general public or go back to shows like Rich Girl Poor Girl, which were quite entertaining. |
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Gives Pointless a big opportunity to build its audience.
![]() I suppose the good thing is, the more episodes of Pointless that are made, the less likelyhood of Epic Win! coming back! |
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I'm sure you have that pre-written to paste in everytime anyone mentions one of ITV's second tier reality/talent shows! No mention of Ladette to Lady though, shame.
It's not that I'm totally against celeb reality, Celebrity Come Dine With Me has been a decent low budget hit, it's just the main commercial channel isn't the place for it now( barring IAC) and they have created some real stinkers over the years. |
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lets not forget that Katie Price has moved from Freeview channel ITV 2, to Pay TV channel Sky Living.
Still this is Sky, so obviously Katie Price & viewers should "Believe in Better" |
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BBC One were basically on a hiding for nothing last night but at least recorded respectable figures with nothing falling below the 3.4m mark. EastEnders was damaged slightly by The Betty Driver Story but bounced back with the BBC Three repeat.
It Takes Two is really taking off now with another good rating at 6.30pm. University Challenge also did excellently and I wish they would think about moving Only Connect from BBC Four to tie up with it as I think it'd do well. The night petered out slightly after University Challenge had finished. ITV1 will be pleased to see those figures after what was apparently a poor weekend for them! Doc Martin is a steller performer at 9pm and Coronation Street and Emmerdale both recorded good figures while The Betty Driver did well. That's the first time in a while, IIRC, that News at Ten has hit 3m. The kings of the overkill have to be Channel 4. Embarrassing Bodies isn't doing as well as it could be, possibly because people know that the next series is only a couple of months away!! Rude Tube did well again at 10pm, and they'll be pleased to get over 1m in the 8pm considering the opposition. And maybe it was that opposition that hurt The Gadget Show; I think it'll bounce back above 1m next week. The Hotel Inspector didn't really improve and Big Brother remains steady in the 10pm slot but, as others say, it'll be interesting to see how the twist impacts on tonight's figures. |
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maybe off topic, so PM if you want, but what is this twist?
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lets not forget that Katie Price has moved from Freeview channel ITV 2, to Pay TV channel Sky Living.
Still this is Sky, so obviously Katie Price & viewers should "Believe in Better" |
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Well now you have to pay more to watch her career fall off a cliff.
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maybe off topic, so PM if you want, but what is this twist?
Okay, they nominated as usual, Jay and Anton received the most votes by the HMs, they announced it to the housemates, BB then said "Please collect your suitcases", they then went into the DR and put into a room called the "Crypt", like a rehash of BB5 Bedsit. They have to wear Halloween costumes. They recorded a message shown to the others saying "we have been evicted" (no one believe dit though) They will be watched the Live Feed and see what the others are doing (even in the Diary Room). Now here comes the bad part..... BB has told them that they have the power to change who is up for eviction. People are angry because seeing as they received the most noms, they should be up, but they are supposedly aloud to pick 2 HMs to replace them (most probably Aaron and Faye, the 2 favourites). Meanwhile, BB is playing games with teh HMs, they are being scared, images and skeletons are appearing behind mirrors, blood coming out of the taps and shower ect... To sum up, they, the nominated HMs have the power to control the house, WHY? The twist is juts bloody awful. |
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Demographic Information for BBC1 and ITV1 covering the period of Monday 10th to Sunday 16th October: http://i55.tinypic.com/sp7vkg.jpg
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On that note it still amazes me that we only got two series of both Pop Idol and Popstars before they were retired by The X Factor.
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Generally speaking when most shows start dropping they tend to continue dropping. I'd agree that a lot of people are over estimating the speed with which The X Factor is likely to fall though. As I said previously I suspect it'll follow the same path as American Idol and see a consistent year-on-year decline. I don't think that drop will be as drastic as 10% and if memory serves the average Idol drop is low single digits
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Also they tried getting The Voice, possibly looking at this to become a possible replacement for TXF should TXF decline substantially in future years, but the Beeb got it instead. Interesting to see Danny Cohen comment about that the other day:
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Strong night for CBS there. House must be a disappointment this season numbers wise for Fox.
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It seemed at the time that ITV just wanted to keep it out of the BBC's hands. IIRC, someone involved said much the same and suggested that was why ITV never really had a shot at landing it.
As you say ITV only really wanted to stop the Beeb getting it - I don't think anyone saw their interest as very serious. |
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Salv* does sound like Big B is going a bit far.
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It really is an awful twist on BB. I don't think it will impact ratings for tonight/tomorrow, however if it is the case that Jay/Anton can completely switch the noms (most likely to Aaron/Faye) then I can see ratings falling.
I just do not understand why BB thought this was a good idea. |
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Far be it from me to praise ITV1 - but they seem to be going through a ratings boom just recently, Coronation Street doing 9m+ overnight, Emmerdale over 7m, Doc Martin along with Downton Abbey doing incredibly well, The X Factor still currently the #1 rated show. Yes they have a more than equal share of dire flops, That Sunday Night Show (2.08m), Holding Out For A Hero (2.29m), ITV News at Ten (2.1m), Mayday Mayday (2.61m), High Stakes (2.19m), 71 Degrees North (2.24m), Tonight (2.7m).
There is still a lot to fix with ITV1 but they are finding some depth, Soaps are still the backbone of the weekly schedule, if only they could find a couple more quiz formats that are not total failures, make ITV News at Ten & Tonight more appealing to viewers. I would argue that 4m viewers ought be the baseline for primetime on ITV1, I cannot imagine advertisers are queueing up to buy slots on the above flop shows - which represents more than 25% of (6:30-10:30pm) primetime. |
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The big unknown is the Euro2012 rights. It would complete a miserable year for those of us who back BBC Sport, and the Beeb as an institution generally, if the cutbacks/Salford move/continuing The Asian Network/acquiring The Voice forced them not to bid for Euro2012, or concede ground to ITV in return for paying less than half. I guess the price has now gone up with England qualifying - but perhaps the Beeb and ITV could use Roooney's absence to negotiate down a bit?
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In any case, surely the Beeb will go all out to get Euro 2012, if they don't get it it would be the biggest disaster in the history of BBC Sport, I reckon.
But I don't think it's a 100% certainty. DQF has reduced the BBC Sport budget by 15%. DQF has pretty much said that this saving can be achieved by the F1 saving plus dropping various lower profile events (some already announced and probably a few more to come). DQF also said that the BBC will not cut the Crown Jewels. However: It strikes me that the BBC may have put itself in a weak position. The above statements must be based on an assumption about the renewal cost of existing contracts and I strongly suspect that the assumption is that renewals will be at broadly similar prices to existing contracts. Now we know that both the recent Champions League and Football League contracts have seen a fall in values so on the face of it the above assumption may, initially, look reasonable. But what about F1? Reports suggest the total value of the new Sky and BBC contracts is significantly higher than the current BBC contract. So the BBC could face price rises for some of its contracts. If it does, can it afford to keep them? Quite possibly not. One other point - by announcing the 15% cut, the BBC has told all other broadcasters how much money it has available for Sport. That could well be an unwise move. If Sky or ITV (ie the 2 most powerful competitors) decide to target a particular BBC contract, they could put in bids well above what the BBC is currently paying in the knowledge that it would be very hard for the BBC to respond. Might ITV do just that for Euro 2012 (ie by putting in a large bid for the whole event)? It's certainly not impossible. Obviously Sky is not a factor for Euro 2012 but it could potentially target other contracts - with the obvious "non A Listed" big one being the Six Nations. I personally think it's very unlikely Sky would get the Six Nations but F1 showed that surprises can happen and maybe Sky might have an outside chance of splitting the Six Nations 50/50 with the BBC. |
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Because, as we intelligent people in the ratings thread know, there is no ratings crisis...
What I think is particularly interesting about this series of The X Factor is the way that expectations for it have constantly shifted throughout. Its been a very strange run of both over performing and under performing. Quote:
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However it does not strike me as a mainstream hit and I hope C4 have realistic expectations for it.
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E4 seems to be building up its own "Animation Domination"...
I know right now everyone has their sights on the impending bidding war for Family Guy but I think the much more interesting question might very well be where The Flintstones lands in 2013. At that point its likely The Simpsons will (finally) be coming to an end around the same time as The Flintsones arrive which I think is likely to intensify things a little. Quote:
It seemed at the time that ITV just wanted to keep it out of the BBC's hands. IIRC, someone involved said much the same and suggested that was why ITV never really had a shot at landing it.
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Last season was the big problem for House, with massive losses. The fact that they planned Terra Nova as a lead-in for House says a lot! Obviously that hasn't really worked out.
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But what about F1? Reports suggest the total value of the new Sky and BBC contracts is significantly higher than the current BBC contract.
So the BBC could face price rises for some of its contracts. If it does, can it afford to keep them? Quite possibly not. Quote:
If Sky or ITV (ie the 2 most powerful competitors) decide to target a particular BBC contract, they could put in bids well above what the BBC is currently paying in the knowledge that it would be very hard for the BBC to respond.
-Olympics -World Cup -Euro Championship -British Open -Wimbledon -Six Nations I imagine those are the six core sports rights that the BBC will be looking to protect above others. Beneath those will be things like the general athletics coverage (such as the Diamond league coverage) and Premiership highlights. The majority of the crown jewels either Sky can't bid for or it has been made abundantly clear that the BBC is the preferred rights holder (Wimbledon). So those are basically safe from Sky and I'm not convinced ITV have the cash to go for exclusive rights to Euro 2012 for example nor do I think they'd relish the chaos that would unleash on their schedule. Truth be told I think both ITV and the BBC actually prefer the shared rights for Euros and the World Cup. Some of the lower level stuff might be in more danger but I'm not convinced. Sky might want some more of the athletics coverage although (unless they've been burnt by their experience with the World Championships) I suspect Channel 4 might be the more immediate threat. Would ITV make a play for the Premier League highlights again? I would think they're the only real danger on that front. I think its unlikely we'll see any major shifts in the sports rights. And frankly I think its time that the BBC stopped running away from the fact that they're the BBC and started leveraging that much more in any and all buying they do. There really isn't any other broadcaster that can offer the breadth and depth of coverage that the BBC does to the national audience that the BBC does. Can you imagine Wimbledon on ITV for example? |
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AlexiR agreed animation wise, The Flintstones is the one to watch.
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