"Jones the Voice" being on does kind of have a logic to it.

We all know this show will be shite, viewed as a TXF copy, and an expensive flop. I don't think it really matters who the judges/presenters are.

Maybe ITV should try some kind of X Factor spin-off on Tuesday nights? It can't possibly do worse than what they've got there now. Maybe a proper interview with the eliminated act mixed in with a recap of the weekend and a preview of the next live shows. I imagine that would also be relatively cheap as well.

I don't think we do know that. Assuming the BBC don't screw up the casting of the judges (which is a big assumption) they should at least be able to get a good initial sampling for the show. Then it'll depend on how good the show actually is.

Keep in mind everyone wrote the show off in the US before it debuted and it surprised everyone with how well it went. And that was on NBC. If NBC can turn The Voice into a hit there's zero reason I can think of that the BBC shouldn't be able to do the same.

They used to do a show during S3 on Thursday or Friday nights on ITV2 which was an hour of what the contestants had been doing all week - vocal coaching, choreography, trips/nights out, etc. It was actually a really interesting show. Could do one each Tuesday night for the previous week - behind the scenes during the Saturday and Sunday shows too would be pretty interesting.

thats my thing

The main reason The Voice will never do as well as X Factor is that X Factor uses the old tabloid tricks to keep it in the news all the time.

Louis and Simon used to sit all series ringing every contact they had at every tabloid telling them Sharon/Dannii/Cheryl was throwing a strop/arguing/bickering, that the contestants were divas/bitches, etc. A trick they learned from Boyzone/Westlife.

It guarantees the show gets talked about in papers, on radio, on TV, on the internet.

No-one at the BBC will do that.

Wouldn't it be easier for you to add me to your ignore list?

I don't hate ITV fwiw. I just provide a counterbalance to those who endlessly slag the BBC.

Yep. It's thought by some that Breakfast will LOSE viewers when it moves....but I bet it doesn't. Many thought Daybreak would do better than GMTV....but it didn't. Nobody (not least TV execs) knows anything.

A drama series about a group of obese people trying to slim down to get a date ....Single Figures

Or a new 9pm sci-fi adventure.....Zero Hour

Well it's not very balanced when you're 100% of the time critical of ITV. Fair play criticise it's tuesday output etc but when you write Spooks getting 4 million is fantastic and Downtown Abbeys 9 million is poor it's clear you're not providing a clear and balanced assessment just you're own bizarre agenda against ITV. I do wonder why you seem so full of hate and anger towards a TV channel?

Aww But it wouldn't be nearly as entertaining. I love Robbies posts, they provide some much needed comedy to the thread. All joking aside, I think beneath the sarcasm and OTT ITV bashing, he makes some very good points. (I'll get my coat)

Keep in mind that unlike ITV the BBC have their own fairly diverse promotional platforms. For example does anyone think The Voice won't be all over Radio 1 and 1 Xtra before it debuts and during the run itself? It'll probably even get play on Radio 2 as well. And if the BBC can use their own promotional platform to get people interested and/or excited about the show then the commercial sector will pick up on the show as well.

Hell The Voice has already had more press coverage than just about everything else on the BBC except for maybe Strictly and its still months away from airing.

Also I'd suggest that the strength of The Voice will come from making it as different as they possibly can to The X Factor. Not playing the tabloid game etc. can be spun into a positive for the show if they stick to the basic concept of the show.

Any figures for the final two episodes of SJA on CBBC?

K

im already working on a script.

Its about a team of people, whose job it is to save the world, the catch is that they only know about it 1 hour before it happens. Its 24 meets Doctor Who, in a fast paced action thriller, with nothing less than the future of the world at stake.

For plots sakes, all of the world ending threats will be within a London with little traffic

Actual London or Cardiff/Manchester/Somewhere cheaper posing as London?

A new crime serial: Move Along Now, Nothing To See Here...

obviously I would like it to be London, London but I suspect ITV will have me film it in Ireland like what happened with Primeval.


these are quite funny shows being named, by you and others.

I guess Tuesady wont be a good night for ITV to air (ratings thread favourite, despite the fact most of us have not seen it) Packed to the Rafters.

Channel 4
The Simpsons - 1.8m
Hollyoaks - 1.3m
Brave New World - 1.1m
Embarrassing Bodies - 2m
Rude Tube - 1.4m

E4
Hollyoaks - 870k

From doctorwhonews.com:

Sky Part 1 and 2 got 0.53 million each. Down 0.1 on the last series opener. But still a good bit ahead of any competition with Tracy Beaker only getting 0.4.

(Final figures btw)



On The Voice whilst I doubt it'll be as big as X Factor (least in its first year) its both ridiculous and naive to claim that that is somehow impossible.
X Factor's use of the tabloids only work when they have good stories, and atm their pretty dire!

The Voice can easily generate headlines in similar ways as the press jump onboard of a train just kicking out of the station.
Plus you can bet there will be a show on BBC Radio 1...ya know...the most listened to station in the UK? Then Breakfast...the one show...BBC Three show is possible (for the finale at least) but possibly the Beeb will see the Your Fired success and pin it to Two.


On Tom Jones - could work, but its The Sun I shan't be paying much attention tbh as this could just be a journalist trying to get something on print on a slow news day.
Hes actually well liked and respected as well as having the experience in the industry - a slot the panel WILL need.
Plus hes liked by all ages and is a bit of a legend.

Susannah will be doing Monday-Thursday with Bill.The Sun was spreading a rumour the other day that Tony Livesey would be doing weekends

If they have any sense, they will not make a big thing of the show being broadcast from Salford.

They should replicate the current set and not refer to the location at all.

I rather doubt they will keep the Salford Move quiet though, if the experience of the Five Live part recent move to Salford is anything to go by, they can't shut up about it.

Tony Livesey seem to have about a hundred BBC jobs as it is he never seems to be off the screen (north west England viewer mind)

To which the reply goes - um, not if Tuesday ratings are to be believed,

I bet ITV would kill for the figures for a show about UFOs that we did back in the mid 90s. Our Strange But True? special on the Rendlesham Forest case got one of the series best ratings at over 12 million.

Be lucky to get 1.2 million these days.

But back then these sort of shows were not on a zillion documentary channels ten times a day and were (um) well done.

Documentary and specials like this were events and not everyday occurrences so it is no surprise that these days the ratings are dismal.

So over 2million per episode including E4 then

I'm certain it's because C4 only have FTA rights to The Simpsons and Sky have the multichannel rights. And it would look a bit hopeless anyway, going up against newer episodes on Sky One. I think it was a waste of money buying The Cleveland Show, it just emphasises the fact they don't have Family Guy, but they do have a show almost exactly the same but not as good.


Maybe, but how would you work out a 50/50 split, because then there'd be endless discussions about how you'd do the split with all the other home nations quick to jump on accusations of bias towards England. We know what a disaster it was when England signed up with Sky in 1998, it almost led to the entire competition being abandoned.

One thing the 50/50 F1 split pointed out was that the argument about test cricket being on Sky is that if they didn't have it exclusively they wouldn't want it at all, then they're happy to share the F1.


That's true, and the other bonus of buying F1 is that, judging by the complaints about it, many F1 fans don't seem to have an interest in any other sport, given the number of people who are saying they don't have Sky Sports and don't want to subscribe just for the F1. With most other sports there seems to be more of a crossover between fans of other sports.

MOTD is vitally important for the Beeb as it gives them content virtually every week of the season, and lots of it as well.


In Will Wyatt's book he said the only one they could have done something about in that period was the cricket, because they could and should have found the money to hold on to it but they got complacent. The rest he reckons would have gone anyway as their rivals were offering far too much money.