Death in Paradise does look to be very good.
The Ratings Thread (Part 26)
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Originally Posted by rzt:
“In a way, this is quite good for BBC1 and ITV1 as the soaps won't be affected much. Only really the 20.30 Corrie episodes will be affected and Emmerdale on occasions the 5pm match overuns perhaps? I would say the 11pm kick-offs are quite similar to the 12.30pm kick-offs in World Cup 2010 in terms of ratings potential. The 02.00am ones will rate low but pull in high shares.
Edit: Scrap what I said in the first sentence; reading that Fifa page, it seems like group matches will be at 8pm mainly not 9pm.
Ah fair enough. I read in the Broadcast article saying that each episode cost £1.2m and assumed that BBC One was the primary major financer with French Televisions being the secondary one. I guess with that kind of model though, as you say BBC1 won't be paying too much. True, there's tough competition on the way - it'll be interesting to see though if the first 3 episodes which face just 71DN can rate at 6m+ official figures. I know it's difficult, but I really do think some dramas in that Tuesday 9pm slot should be rating better than just 4.5-5.0m overnights when they're facing c2-2.5m opposition from ITV1. Part of the problem I feel is that they don't start high enough and that could be down to promotion - starting at 5.3m-ish like Body Farm and Silk isn't the best base level to begin from, if promotion could be better they could be starting closer to 6m like Luther series 1, and with the kind of retention they experienced, they could've been in the 5m category overnights-wise and 6m officials-wise.”
“In a way, this is quite good for BBC1 and ITV1 as the soaps won't be affected much. Only really the 20.30 Corrie episodes will be affected and Emmerdale on occasions the 5pm match overuns perhaps? I would say the 11pm kick-offs are quite similar to the 12.30pm kick-offs in World Cup 2010 in terms of ratings potential. The 02.00am ones will rate low but pull in high shares.
Edit: Scrap what I said in the first sentence; reading that Fifa page, it seems like group matches will be at 8pm mainly not 9pm.
Ah fair enough. I read in the Broadcast article saying that each episode cost £1.2m and assumed that BBC One was the primary major financer with French Televisions being the secondary one. I guess with that kind of model though, as you say BBC1 won't be paying too much. True, there's tough competition on the way - it'll be interesting to see though if the first 3 episodes which face just 71DN can rate at 6m+ official figures. I know it's difficult, but I really do think some dramas in that Tuesday 9pm slot should be rating better than just 4.5-5.0m overnights when they're facing c2-2.5m opposition from ITV1. Part of the problem I feel is that they don't start high enough and that could be down to promotion - starting at 5.3m-ish like Body Farm and Silk isn't the best base level to begin from, if promotion could be better they could be starting closer to 6m like Luther series 1, and with the kind of retention they experienced, they could've been in the 5m category overnights-wise and 6m officials-wise.”
I would love to see ratings for a England Match at 2.00 in the morning. I wonder if it would still get 10m +
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“I would love to see ratings for a England Match at 2.00 in the morning. I wonder if it would still get 10m +”
“I would love to see ratings for a England Match at 2.00 in the morning. I wonder if it would still get 10m +”
We would have to wait like 30+ hours to find out how such a game had rated in the "overnights."
Originally Posted by Samthefootball:
“I would love to see ratings for a England Match at 2.00 in the morning. I wonder if it would still get 10m +”
“I would love to see ratings for a England Match at 2.00 in the morning. I wonder if it would still get 10m +”
Possibly, the share would be ridiculously high into the 90%s!
I wonder how BARB does consolidated ratings for shows which start at 1.30am for example and end at 4am? I'm not too sure. Technically that covers 2 days, as BARB count 2am as the cut-off point for a day. I wonder if they give shows 2 consolidated ratings (1.30-2.00 and 2.00-4.00) or if they are able to combine it.
Looking at the FIFA schedule, it seems like the 2am kick-offs will be rare anyway. Maybe 2 or 3 in the tournament, not much more than that. I reckon they'll put one or two of the USA games in that slot for TV purposes, as well as one or two for a major South American nation (Brazil themselves possibly).
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Harrys Law skews really old! Think they should consider moving it back to Mondays. CSI held steady but I think its likely it'll come to an end within a couple of seasons.”
“Harrys Law skews really old! Think they should consider moving it back to Mondays. CSI held steady but I think its likely it'll come to an end within a couple of seasons.”
I can't think of any reason why they would move Harry's Law back to Monday nights. It wasn't doing dramatically better than it currently is by the end of its first season. The season finale had a 1.4.
On CSI I suspect that CBS may very well try and milk this show for as long as they possibly can. Its still bringing in big bucks internationally and in syndication and I imagine CBS will continue to prop it up on their schedule for as long as that's true.
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Criminal Minds is worth a mention again, IMO. That 3.9 fast national already ties the final rating for NCIS last night, putting it on course to tie as the #1 drama of the week. Also skews pretty young for a CBS procedural - 38% in the 18-49 demo (NCIS on Tuesday was 26%). CSI only retaining 67% of its lead-in is a sign of how strong CM is (to be fair, CSI seems to be holding up OK on Wednesday nights so far).”
“Criminal Minds is worth a mention again, IMO. That 3.9 fast national already ties the final rating for NCIS last night, putting it on course to tie as the #1 drama of the week. Also skews pretty young for a CBS procedural - 38% in the 18-49 demo (NCIS on Tuesday was 26%). CSI only retaining 67% of its lead-in is a sign of how strong CM is (to be fair, CSI seems to be holding up OK on Wednesday nights so far).”
Worth mentioning that Criminal Mind airs in the higher PUT hour. I imagine if CBS were to move NCIS to 9PM it would easily be above a 4 every week.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“According to someone who went to the filming of it, BBC1's new series of 'Room 101' will be shown in the Wednesday 20.30 slot from January 2012.”
“According to someone who went to the filming of it, BBC1's new series of 'Room 101' will be shown in the Wednesday 20.30 slot from January 2012.”
That's a terrible slot.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I completely agree sn_22. With budgets tight, I dunno why they waste so much money and time on the limited 2-5 parters which have no chance of returning...”
“I completely agree sn_22. With budgets tight, I dunno why they waste so much money and time on the limited 2-5 parters which have no chance of returning...”
I agree. Sort of.
However I would say that I think the problem is less that they're investing in these limited run dramas but more that they're investing in them when their success rate with them is so poor. If they were producing a handful of them a year and they were doing well then you could understand why they'd keep at it but for the most part they're not doing well.
In regards to the BBC I'd agree that they should probably have a much bigger focus on (potential) returning drama for the next 18 months but at the same time I do think they need to keep investing in serials. What both ITV and the BBC really want is a whole batch of serials in the vein of Torchwood: Children of Earth. Something that stands alone as a self contained serial but has the potential to return each year.
Of course the flipside to this I suppose is that are some of the names (both in front and behind the camera) that we've seen attached to serials and 3 pat dramas in recent years going to be interested in doing something that is potentially a yearly series? Although to be fair a lot of the serials and one offs don't really attract big name talent either. At least not such big names that they wouldn't be willing to do a yearly series anyway.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“On CSI I suspect that CBS may very well try and milk this show for as long as they possibly can. Its still bringing in big bucks internationally and in syndication and I imagine CBS will continue to prop it up on their schedule for as long as that's true.”
“On CSI I suspect that CBS may very well try and milk this show for as long as they possibly can. Its still bringing in big bucks internationally and in syndication and I imagine CBS will continue to prop it up on their schedule for as long as that's true.”
Especially as there's no obvious successor right now. The new dramas at CBS haven't fared too well really. Person of Interest in particular has been a massive disappointment (well called by yourself).
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Looking at the FIFA schedule, it seems like the 2am kick-offs will be rare anyway. Maybe 2 or 3 in the tournament, not much more than that. I reckon they'll put one or two of the USA games in that slot for TV purposes, as well as one or two for a major South American nation (Brazil themselves possibly).”
“Looking at the FIFA schedule, it seems like the 2am kick-offs will be rare anyway. Maybe 2 or 3 in the tournament, not much more than that. I reckon they'll put one or two of the USA games in that slot for TV purposes, as well as one or two for a major South American nation (Brazil themselves possibly).”
Because Brazil are hosts, they are allocated slot 'A1' as it were, and as thus their games are on 12th June 2014 (9pm UK), 17th June 2014 (11pm) and 23rd June 2014 (5pm).
I think the Vancouver opening/closing ceremony spanned the 2am cut off - and doesn't the Superbowl/Oscars usually, so nothing too unusual.
Exactly, especially when many of the 2-parters especially are simply one-offs with no series returning potential. C4 annoy me too with their 4-part stuff like Any Human Heart/The Promise commissioned at a time when they desperately need to find new returning series. It's disapointing too This is England '88 will be just three parts when it could easily have been eight or more based on the performance of This is England '86.
Exactly - and really it's only 2-3 13-parters that a channel needs to begin to give the schedule some familarity which they can build upon.
I do wonder how Monroe and Scott & Bailey will do in their season seasons - I didn't watch either so I'm commenting as an outsider but I don't see either broadening their appeal.
It's one advantage of more co-productions. I think 6-8 for a first series is fine, but for subsequent series a channel should be looking at 10-13 episodes in most cases, although having a series which can run for 22 episodes would surely boost any primetime schedule.
True, but it's the price worth paying I guess.
Interesting comments from Paul Abbott. On this topic too it's interesting how virtually all British dramas are completely in the can before transmission rather than filmed close to broadcast as most US shows are (and of course continuing dramas are here). Indeed I think even our soaps have a longer period from filming to airing than many US shows.
Confused enough to watch though. It all fits the theme!
Easy enough to schedule around, but difficult to schedule against really with kick-off times switching from 8pm to 9pm mid-tournament, as with games at 8pm and 11pm I'd have thought 10pm would be a good slot to get content on air while people are waiting around for the next match.
Obviously though it's a schedule for Europe rather than the host nation - and although I'm not surprised the semi-finals and final are at 9pm/8pm, I thought some of the Round of 16/QFs would be midnight kick-offs so they're primetime for local audiences.
It doesn't really complicate things - both should see ratings rise as Hollyoaks has this week, and I'm sure in both soaps cases it makes better financial sense to have say 50% of the main channel audience watching a "first look" airing than to have 50% more viewers watching the main channel airing.
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Sometimes I think that ITV acts in remarkably uncommercial fashion, considering the business they're in. I'll never get over the number of 2 or 3 parters they seem to bother with. From a money-making point of view, what's the point?! If I were in charge and looking to make money, there's no way you'd see me investing several million pounds into a limited 5-part serial, when I could spend the same money on a series that might (and OK, it's a long shot) give me 5 series' worth of joy.”
“Sometimes I think that ITV acts in remarkably uncommercial fashion, considering the business they're in. I'll never get over the number of 2 or 3 parters they seem to bother with. From a money-making point of view, what's the point?! If I were in charge and looking to make money, there's no way you'd see me investing several million pounds into a limited 5-part serial, when I could spend the same money on a series that might (and OK, it's a long shot) give me 5 series' worth of joy.”
Exactly, especially when many of the 2-parters especially are simply one-offs with no series returning potential. C4 annoy me too with their 4-part stuff like Any Human Heart/The Promise commissioned at a time when they desperately need to find new returning series. It's disapointing too This is England '88 will be just three parts when it could easily have been eight or more based on the performance of This is England '86.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“But in the eighties and nineties you would get a lot of returning series like Howard's Way or London's Burning that would happily run for at least thirteen weeks of the year and it's perhaps surprising we don't have more shows like that these days. I'm sure it's not for the want of trying, though.”
“But in the eighties and nineties you would get a lot of returning series like Howard's Way or London's Burning that would happily run for at least thirteen weeks of the year and it's perhaps surprising we don't have more shows like that these days. I'm sure it's not for the want of trying, though.”
Exactly - and really it's only 2-3 13-parters that a channel needs to begin to give the schedule some familarity which they can build upon.
I do wonder how Monroe and Scott & Bailey will do in their season seasons - I didn't watch either so I'm commenting as an outsider but I don't see either broadening their appeal.
Originally Posted by derek500:
“All of Sky's new commissions, so far, have been at least eight episodes.
The two recommissioned so far, have been extended to 13+13+1x 30m and 9+1 x 60m.
Ruth Jones' comedy drama Stella, is 10x60m and Sinbad is 13x60m.”
“All of Sky's new commissions, so far, have been at least eight episodes.
The two recommissioned so far, have been extended to 13+13+1x 30m and 9+1 x 60m.
Ruth Jones' comedy drama Stella, is 10x60m and Sinbad is 13x60m.”
It's one advantage of more co-productions. I think 6-8 for a first series is fine, but for subsequent series a channel should be looking at 10-13 episodes in most cases, although having a series which can run for 22 episodes would surely boost any primetime schedule.
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“One thing as regards longer series runs. In these US series of 22 episodes, there are always about 2 or 3 at least that are complete duffers and if there was proper quality control wouldnt have made it to screen. But presumably because of the need to fill airtime they get made.”
“One thing as regards longer series runs. In these US series of 22 episodes, there are always about 2 or 3 at least that are complete duffers and if there was proper quality control wouldnt have made it to screen. But presumably because of the need to fill airtime they get made.”
True, but it's the price worth paying I guess.
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“Yeah, I was just registering my surprise that we don't see far more team writing, really (I realise my post sounded irritated about it. I wasn't - it was just 3am) and just speculating as to why that's so.
I'm not saying that "authored" drama or comedy is a bad thing in any way - you wouldn't want dumb TV execs wading in and telling Iannucci to get a team together and turn out 13 episodes of The Thick Of It. I'm just intrigued that it's so dominant in our TV market, and more shows aren't commissioned with a show runner type model in mind. I'm not sure whether it comes from the writers themselves or the commissioners, but there seems a bit of an attitude about "farming stuff out" that assumes it must mark the creative death of a series or will ruin it's popularity. When recent examples (in drama, less so in British comedy) don't seem to bear that out at all.
We keep being told how important international sales are - and longer runs (in one way or another) is surely something the likes of ITV are going to have to embrace if they're to exploit that market properly. Paul Abbott seems to want to go all-out for it - and while Shameless isn't the greatest example, having been pushed too far at too great an age, I think the industry might need to start listening to him a little more in the future.”
“Yeah, I was just registering my surprise that we don't see far more team writing, really (I realise my post sounded irritated about it. I wasn't - it was just 3am
) and just speculating as to why that's so.I'm not saying that "authored" drama or comedy is a bad thing in any way - you wouldn't want dumb TV execs wading in and telling Iannucci to get a team together and turn out 13 episodes of The Thick Of It. I'm just intrigued that it's so dominant in our TV market, and more shows aren't commissioned with a show runner type model in mind. I'm not sure whether it comes from the writers themselves or the commissioners, but there seems a bit of an attitude about "farming stuff out" that assumes it must mark the creative death of a series or will ruin it's popularity. When recent examples (in drama, less so in British comedy) don't seem to bear that out at all.
We keep being told how important international sales are - and longer runs (in one way or another) is surely something the likes of ITV are going to have to embrace if they're to exploit that market properly. Paul Abbott seems to want to go all-out for it - and while Shameless isn't the greatest example, having been pushed too far at too great an age, I think the industry might need to start listening to him a little more in the future.”
Interesting comments from Paul Abbott. On this topic too it's interesting how virtually all British dramas are completely in the can before transmission rather than filmed close to broadcast as most US shows are (and of course continuing dramas are here). Indeed I think even our soaps have a longer period from filming to airing than many US shows.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“C4 has been promoting this Wedding alot, now sure why its all in black however, that confused me.”
“C4 has been promoting this Wedding alot, now sure why its all in black however, that confused me.”
Confused enough to watch though. It all fits the theme!
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“World Cup 2014 game schedule announced today - kick off's mainly at 5pm, 9pm and 11pm but in some group games 2am. The final is at 8pm UK time.
One has to imagine ITV will be trying to get the 5pm and 9pm games, I imagine 11pm would only be viable if it is a big team or England.
EDIT: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/ne...755/index.html
Opening Match: 21.00
Group Stage matches: 17.00, 20.00, 23.00, 02.00
Round of 16/Quarter-finals: 13.00, 21.00
Semi-finals: 21.00
Match for Third Place: 21.00
Final: 20.00”
“World Cup 2014 game schedule announced today - kick off's mainly at 5pm, 9pm and 11pm but in some group games 2am. The final is at 8pm UK time.
One has to imagine ITV will be trying to get the 5pm and 9pm games, I imagine 11pm would only be viable if it is a big team or England.
EDIT: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/ne...755/index.html
Opening Match: 21.00
Group Stage matches: 17.00, 20.00, 23.00, 02.00
Round of 16/Quarter-finals: 13.00, 21.00
Semi-finals: 21.00
Match for Third Place: 21.00
Final: 20.00”
Easy enough to schedule around, but difficult to schedule against really with kick-off times switching from 8pm to 9pm mid-tournament, as with games at 8pm and 11pm I'd have thought 10pm would be a good slot to get content on air while people are waiting around for the next match.
Obviously though it's a schedule for Europe rather than the host nation - and although I'm not surprised the semi-finals and final are at 9pm/8pm, I thought some of the Round of 16/QFs would be midnight kick-offs so they're primetime for local audiences.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Episodes were up about 20% year-on-year when it aired in Oz last month, so it performed really well. 5* complicates things over here, in a way I'd have preferred it if they rested the first look episodes for a week.”
“Episodes were up about 20% year-on-year when it aired in Oz last month, so it performed really well. 5* complicates things over here, in a way I'd have preferred it if they rested the first look episodes for a week.”
It doesn't really complicate things - both should see ratings rise as Hollyoaks has this week, and I'm sure in both soaps cases it makes better financial sense to have say 50% of the main channel audience watching a "first look" airing than to have 50% more viewers watching the main channel airing.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Confused enough to watch though. It all fits the theme!”
“Confused enough to watch though. It all fits the theme!”
I didnt watch, the last thing I need is another 5 day a week soap.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Especially as there's no obvious successor right now. The new dramas at CBS haven't fared too well really. Person of Interest in particular has been a massive disappointment (well called by yourself).”
“Especially as there's no obvious successor right now. The new dramas at CBS haven't fared too well really. Person of Interest in particular has been a massive disappointment (well called by yourself).”
I've worked very hard to keep my joy at Person of Interest's under performance in check. Hopefully Alcatraz will follow suit midseason and this ridiculous myth that JJ Abrams is a hit maker can finally be put to bed. It is a source of eternal mystery to me that this man continues to convince networks to not only pick up shows he's involved with but promote them to the moon as the next big thing. Although looking at what's in development this year they still haven't learnt.
On the subject at hand CBS have had a pretty rocky road with drama over the past couple of years. Although they have fared better than everyone else. Nobody has launched a properly successful new drama in a while.
People thought CBS had done it with The Mentalist but then they moved it to Thursday 10PM and its momentum just died (with hindsight that schedule change is the worst decision CBS have made in years). And again people thought Fox had done it with Fringe but as soon at it lost its big cushy lead-ins for its second season it nosedived. It has been a really rough period for new drama. As a sign of just how rough things are the most hotly tipped new drama of the season will air on NBC. That people think NBC might have the biggest new drama hit of the season is just mind boggling.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Interesting comments from Paul Abbott. On this topic too it's interesting how virtually all British dramas are completely in the can before transmission rather than filmed close to broadcast as most US shows are (and of course continuing dramas are here). Indeed I think even our soaps have a longer period from filming to airing than many US shows.”
“Interesting comments from Paul Abbott. On this topic too it's interesting how virtually all British dramas are completely in the can before transmission rather than filmed close to broadcast as most US shows are (and of course continuing dramas are here). Indeed I think even our soaps have a longer period from filming to airing than many US shows.”
I've never quite understood why the UK industry sits on shows for quite as long as we do. Death in Paradise is an interesting example from all sides on this. Originally the BBC were planning to air it next year, why? Presumably it didn't finish production several months early suddenly allowing them to bring the air date forward. The whole thing is very strange. And its not as if any broadcaster spends the months they sit on these shows promoting them either. Trails don't start a couple of weeks before shows are due to air. Its just mind boggling.
Having said that I don't think we'll ever see much widespread breaking from all episodes in the can before they air. In the US the audience has grown somewhat familiar with shows disappearing for a few odd weeks because they've simply run out of episodes to air but we haven't in the UK. Could you imagine the outrage if half way through a run of Downton Abbey ITV had to take three weeks off because they didn't have any completed episodes left?
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I've never quite understood why the UK industry sits on shows for quite as long as we do. Death in Paradise is an interesting example from all sides on this. Originally the BBC were planning to air it next year, why? Presumably it didn't finish production several months early suddenly allowing them to bring the air date forward. The whole thing is very strange. And its not as if any broadcaster spends the months they sit on these shows promoting them either. Trails don't start a couple of weeks before shows are due to air. Its just mind boggling.”
“I've never quite understood why the UK industry sits on shows for quite as long as we do. Death in Paradise is an interesting example from all sides on this. Originally the BBC were planning to air it next year, why? Presumably it didn't finish production several months early suddenly allowing them to bring the air date forward. The whole thing is very strange. And its not as if any broadcaster spends the months they sit on these shows promoting them either. Trails don't start a couple of weeks before shows are due to air. Its just mind boggling.”
Well ITV still haven't aired Octavia, soo....
I'm still waiting for S2 of Distant Shores to be aired here!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distant...28TV_series%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distant...28TV_series%29
Originally Posted by rzt:
“According to someone who went to the filming of it, BBC1's new series of 'Room 101' will be shown in the Wednesday 20.30 slot from January 2012.”
“According to someone who went to the filming of it, BBC1's new series of 'Room 101' will be shown in the Wednesday 20.30 slot from January 2012.”
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
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That's a terrible slot. ”
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That's a terrible slot. ”
But then this is a terrible, terrible commission. It does not belong on BBC1. It has "massive ratings flop" written all over it. I've thought that ever since I heard about the revival. And then last week I heard about the new format with three guests instead of one competing to get their choice placed into Room 101.
This sounds like a Made By Dave programme, where they want some original commissions but opt for the cheapest, laziest idea they can think of, which then does rubbish in the ratings.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“But then this is a terrible, terrible commission. It does not belong on BBC1. It has "massive ratings flop" written all over it. I've thought that ever since I heard about the revival. And then last week I heard about the new format with three guests instead of one competing to get their choice placed into Room 101.
This sounds like a Made By Dave programme, where they want some original commissions but opt for the cheapest, laziest idea they can think of, which then does rubbish in the ratings.”
“But then this is a terrible, terrible commission. It does not belong on BBC1. It has "massive ratings flop" written all over it. I've thought that ever since I heard about the revival. And then last week I heard about the new format with three guests instead of one competing to get their choice placed into Room 101.
This sounds like a Made By Dave programme, where they want some original commissions but opt for the cheapest, laziest idea they can think of, which then does rubbish in the ratings.”
So another panel show then, that's all we need! No doubt the celebs will be the same that do the rounds on Mock the Week, Ask Rhod Gilbert, etc etc
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“So another panel show then, that's all we need! No doubt the celebs will be the same that do the rounds on Mock the Week, Ask Rhod Gilbert, etc etc”
“So another panel show then, that's all we need! No doubt the celebs will be the same that do the rounds on Mock the Week, Ask Rhod Gilbert, etc etc”
Yep!
You don't need to be Mystic Meg to guess who'll be appearing on the programme: Sarah Milligan, John Bishop, Rufus Hound, Russell Kane, Mickey Flanagan, Greg Davies....
Kill me now!
I agree that Room 101 should be shown on BBC2.
As for the World Cup, the timings seem far better than recent World Cups, as most of the games will be available to watch after work. Well the exception of the 2am games, might be able to watch a lot more of the action.
The last 2 world cups had a lot of games in the early afternoon, with the one in South Korea and Japan being a nightmare to watch a lot of the games, due to the early start.
As for the World Cup, the timings seem far better than recent World Cups, as most of the games will be available to watch after work. Well the exception of the 2am games, might be able to watch a lot more of the action.
The last 2 world cups had a lot of games in the early afternoon, with the one in South Korea and Japan being a nightmare to watch a lot of the games, due to the early start.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“But then this is a terrible, terrible commission. It does not belong on BBC1. It has "massive ratings flop" written all over it. I've thought that ever since I heard about the revival. And then last week I heard about the new format with three guests instead of one competing to get their choice placed into Room 101.
This sounds like a Made By Dave programme, where they want some original commissions but opt for the cheapest, laziest idea they can think of, which then does rubbish in the ratings.”
“But then this is a terrible, terrible commission. It does not belong on BBC1. It has "massive ratings flop" written all over it. I've thought that ever since I heard about the revival. And then last week I heard about the new format with three guests instead of one competing to get their choice placed into Room 101.
This sounds like a Made By Dave programme, where they want some original commissions but opt for the cheapest, laziest idea they can think of, which then does rubbish in the ratings.”
I didn't even notice it was on BBC1. I just completely glossed over that in everything I've read about the revival. I take back my previous comment. Terrible doesn't even begin to describe that scheduling.
Final numbers for Wednesday from the US saw upward adjustments for Modern Family, The Middle, Harry's Law, Law & Order and America's Next Top Model.
Modern Family - 5.7
The Middle - 3.0
Law & Order: SVU - 2.2
Harry's Law - 1.3
America's Top Model - 0.9
Depressingly I think that's a season high for Harry's Law.
Also final time adjusted figures are in for Game 1 of the World Series. It finished with a 4.2 and 14 million viewers (airing from 8PM to 11:15PM). That's down from last years first game but not by a great deal.
In cable news FX's American Horror Story is rolling along very nicely with a 1.5 although Storage Wars won the night on cable with a 1.7
Modern Family - 5.7
The Middle - 3.0
Law & Order: SVU - 2.2
Harry's Law - 1.3
America's Top Model - 0.9
Depressingly I think that's a season high for Harry's Law.
Also final time adjusted figures are in for Game 1 of the World Series. It finished with a 4.2 and 14 million viewers (airing from 8PM to 11:15PM). That's down from last years first game but not by a great deal.
In cable news FX's American Horror Story is rolling along very nicely with a 1.5 although Storage Wars won the night on cable with a 1.7
Is there no way in which "Harry's Law" will survive with it getting 8.2 million viewers? Is the demo rating the only thing that matters?
It just seems a shame that a clearly very popular show will be axed because younger people aren't watching.
It just seems a shame that a clearly very popular show will be axed because younger people aren't watching.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I know it's difficult, but I really do think some dramas in that Tuesday 9pm slot should be rating better than just 4.5-5.0m overnights when they're facing c2-2.5m opposition from ITV1. Part of the problem I feel is that they don't start high enough and that could be down to promotion - starting at 5.3m-ish like Body Farm and Silk isn't the best base level to begin from, if promotion could be better they could be starting closer to 6m like Luther series 1, and with the kind of retention they experienced, they could've been in the 5m category overnights-wise and 6m officials-wise.”
“I know it's difficult, but I really do think some dramas in that Tuesday 9pm slot should be rating better than just 4.5-5.0m overnights when they're facing c2-2.5m opposition from ITV1. Part of the problem I feel is that they don't start high enough and that could be down to promotion - starting at 5.3m-ish like Body Farm and Silk isn't the best base level to begin from, if promotion could be better they could be starting closer to 6m like Luther series 1, and with the kind of retention they experienced, they could've been in the 5m category overnights-wise and 6m officials-wise.”
I do think that Tuesdays are a struggle for both BBC1 and ITV1. BBC1 has done a lot worse than they have recently in the 9pm slot. Survivors was only getting 4m early last year and I remember Paradox won a slot at the end of 2009 with an overnight of just 3.1m. I can see why you think BBC1 should be aiming higher but it seems as hard for BBC1 to reach 6m as it is for ITV1 to hit 3.5m.
Originally Posted by rionia:
“I'm still waiting for S2 of Distant Shores to be aired here!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distant...28TV_series%29”
“I'm still waiting for S2 of Distant Shores to be aired here!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distant...28TV_series%29”
Can't say I remember that at all.
Just seen Sherlock series 2 on amazon, release date 2nd January, I assumed it would start on New Year's Day, this suggests it could finish then instead, or during the week prior to it. Surely there isn't room on Christmas Day for it, could it be moving days? It's a shame as New Year's Day seemed like the perfect day for it to start, the ratings will still be great, but not as good as they could have been on NYD. Also it's a perfect fit for Sundays, if they are moving it, why?
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